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To be clear, the airline did not attack David Dao nor did the police. The police finally resorted to forcefully removing him after many attempts to reason with him. Again, arguing with cops isn't going to end nicely. Everyone should read the both the Federal and airline rules for bumping passengers. They not only have the right to do so, they can enlist the assistance of both federal officers and/or local police to assist with your compliance. The assbeating is solely your decision to make. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Here's a refresher... ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Sad, but if it were not for the cell phone video, we would not be having this 3 page discussion! How many situations happen every day where there is no video, but folks like one or two on this forum would claim "it is all overblown'? "It is all his fault". "He brought it on himself". Has anyone seem the video of a police officer "body slamming" a college student? Instead of saying "well maybe he over reacted", or "a bit over the top", the police are saying it was OK. Privately they are probably kicking his a-- and saying "for heavens sake before you do that again make sure no one is taking a video!". Why close ranks? Why not admit that something went wrong? If they ever release the body cam video we will find out, I guess, but they will probably only do that if it is favorable to them. It is NOT self serving to never admit you are wrong, and then blame "a few bad apples" when you have done nothing to weed them out. Wasn't it Karl Rove whose motto was "never admit you made a mistake"? Sad that we haven't got past that yet. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Yeah, if they are so damn right, then would you like to bet serious money about who gets paid big bucks for the "self-inflicted" ass beating AND the guy was attacked by one officer who jumped up and grabbed him while the other two were still talking to him. You can call it any thing you want to but he was not threatening anyone, he was simply exercising what he viewed as his right to a paid for seat that he had been assigned AND the "cops" are not real cops, but rent a cops hired by a private corp which then contracts with O'Hare to provide security. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I'll take the ass beating and the big ass check that follows....being asked to get off the plane to accommodate the airlines piss poor planning is not something I'm keen on doing. If they wait until the last plane full of people, to transport their crew, then that's their problem not mine. I'll bet if they would have asked before boarding if anyone would accept 5k to wait for the next flight they would have had a few takers..not a piss-ant $800 voucher. I'll also bet they wish they paid that 5k now. Besides the lawsuit, how much do you think they lost in business the past few days? It's time airlines started treating passengers like valued customers instead of like shit. | |||
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Yep, for the money this guy is going to get, they could beat me from now till breakfast- and I would laugh all the way to the bank and new house and new car.... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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This is a case were everyone involved was an asshole and in the end they all got what they deserved! | |||
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Detail will hopefully come out in the next couple years. I saw The company’s CEO, Oscar Munoz on TV last night. He acted like he was upset because he had to interrupt his day to make a statement. No UA for me. Not worth poor customer service and overbooking issues. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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His Attorney is Milking a Fat Cow!!! | |||
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I found this on the web where I was searching because an uninvolved attorney on one of the news channels flat stated that what United did was illegal. I am not vouching for correctness of position, but have highlighted the most interesting part.....IF he is correct Opus I can order crow anytime.....
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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If that's true..you can add some more 0's on the end of that check... | |||
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similar....
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Ity seems United President is using it as his own private airline too! And I understand that the poor sod who got clobbered by these nasty jackbooted power hungry idiots is having reconstructive surgery to fix all his wounds If I was him, I will drag this as long as it gets, as the longer this utterly stupid behavior from a has been airline, the more money he is going to get. I bet his lawyers are salivating at the mouth now! And despite what I have been saying about lawyers, I am siding with them on this one. I hope they make a bloody example of them! | |||
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Chicago is an excellent plaintiff's venue state or federal. What a money making venue to be punched in the nose. Like most civil cases, unless you know the venue it is hard to predict the outcome. Justice american style. | |||
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I find it very interesting to observe that an immigrant stood up for his rights, while some in here seem to think that one gives up his rights when he buys an airline ticket and will meekly surrender them to a show of authority. Where did we go wrong? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Nearly everyone who hunts Africa signs a form contracts where the outfitter is basically liable for nothing. Wonder how many would tolerate getting beaten by their ph or camp staff cause they have already signed a waiver and consented to all actions. What united did was stupid and the ceos reaction and statement was terrible. All us airlines are under doj antitrust investigations - that are printing money in a world of good industry supply management and low fuel prices. But even though it is a service industry it is hated by its consumers. Talk to airline management and they all want to be valued as a industrial company not a consumer company. Trump ain't going to re regulate airlines but states might. Overbooking makes business sense if it is done correctly - just auction of seats before boarding and you can always get someone to stay back. But overselling first class or business and kicking of passengers after boarding for crew is just plain stupid. Mike | |||
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Opus1, Great video from Chris Rock. I am rooting for the not-so-good doctor to get enough money from UA so that he can pay for gay sex with money instead of writing prescriptions to barter for it. I would hate to see him do anymore time for felonies, after all he has been through. I also hate to see that he was able to get any kind of medical license re-instated, after all he has been through. This is definitely not the best of all possible things to have happened for everyone. Politics had to be involved. There is more than one way to skin a wildcat. Riflecrank Incurable Permanente | |||
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Absolutely true! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I just seen on the news that Delta will now offer upwards of $10,000 for passengers to give up their seat on overbooked flights in response to the United debacle....good on them. Seems they don't want any part of what happened to United... | |||
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The idiots at United started digging into the passenger's past. Completely forgetting that the media would look into THIER past. And so far it ain't very pretty! | |||
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Sadly, I predict the party with the deepest pockets will win or get a smack on the wrist. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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I 100% disagree in this case and will bet you any amount of money that the passenger collects a very large sum. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I guess anything is possible Gato. I hope you're assumption comes to fruition & this man gets set for the rest of his life with a huge settlement for damages, loss of income and pain and suffering, etc. But, I've been surprised at some of the outcomes with court cases. This is a totally different type of case: Remember that Florida Doctor that got caught scarfing millions from the patients and even performing procedures that were unwarranted just to get the insurance money? The judge gave him a slap on the wrist. His reasoning was, the locals rely on his medical services, so he could not justify to give him any jail time. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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My offer to bet is and will remain open, although it will probably be settled and sealed in a hurry. United will or should pay him at least a million and expenses to shut up and go away. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Where will the trial take place...Cook County, Illinois? If so..game over. He'll get millions. | |||
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I see Delta is going to offer up to $10,000 for someone to give up their seat!?? Whatever happened, he has already given the airlines a hard kick in their collective rear ends. And has provided a great service to teh travelling public, who have been systematically been screwed continuously by teh airlines, supported by the politicians they pay off. | |||
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Ummm so who is to blame here? Once again, behave like adults, follow simple instructions, know your rights, know what aren't your "rights" or suffer the consequences... ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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That's United's PR story. If you believe it, hurry go outside and catch the Easter Bunny. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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The poor wedding couple is lying. They tried to self upgrade themselves to economy plus without paying. I wonder what would happen on Emirates if I simply walked into first class and plopped myself down with an economy ticket in hand then refused to move? I could claim that I know who Saeed is. They would surely let me be, right? | |||
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So what's your explanation Fatcat? Sounds like you are a vertiable airline expert, all knowing all seeing Texas truth see-er? | |||
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At least I know that passengers have rights once they are seated, which is a helluva more than you seem to know. In addition, read the story and you'll see what I believe. I believe the United crew overreacted, as they have a wont to do these days, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. If they were so wrong and disruptive, why did United fly them the next day? Finally, since you seem to know it all about the powers of the airlines, how much do you want to bet on the outcome of the Dao/United event? PS: I can also spell. "Vertiable" I've come to one conclusion, I won't be flying United if there is any alternative, even a bus. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Oh so once you are sitting down you can ignore all requests by the flight crew and/or police and/or airport security. OK ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I know exactly what your rights are on an airplane. You may not simply change seats to a higher class without first obtaining an upgraded ticket. Period, and if you are a drunken sloppy pig and want to make a scene about it, your sorry ass is going to be removed. That story is pile on, sensational, fake news bull shit written for the weak of mind. | |||
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Surestrike - If I remember correctly, don't you sorta fly for a living??? ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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A pilot for an airline IIRC. | |||
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Yep, And I'll tell you something. Once I read the whole story about our illustrious convicted felon, Dr. Doa not just the some of the pop culture fluff news you guys are basing your opinions on, if I had been the captain on that flight, I would have had his sorry ass removed too. If you refuse to deplane after the CSR's ask you to, they are then forced to call security. Once the cops get there, how they handle the situation is their business. Doa initially voluntarily deplaned and accepted the voucher. He then re boarded and started his erratic behavior. That is over the top weird enough for me to say you are probably not riding with us today. I've had to involuntarily deplane multiple people over the years. Usually because they were drunk slobs, or just bat shit crazy and acting eratic or violent. (Before you get all fired up, here is the law regarding intoxicated persons on an airplane. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.575) I've seen the cops go hands on one time in 22 years, with a couple of belligerent jack asses who were in a fist fight in the back of the airplane taxing in. I've never once had a possible IDB situation where they could not find enough volunteers to resolve the situation. BTW the number one airline in America to find yourself getting IDB on is South West Airlines. United is 6th. https://www.usatoday.com/story...-boot-you/100342202/ I can absolutely promise you that if you were to act like Doa did after being IDB on SWA you would also get to meet some cops and maybe even get a free drag down the aisle if you were to act the fool with them. The major difference in PR would depend on whether or not it gets filmed and posted. | |||
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And, if you were a pilot on United, then you would likely be fired, since you just violated your companies terms of carriage and Dao would have a 100% winnable law suit. So, let's bet on the Dao case if you're so damn sure he's wrong. Let's do a friendly $1000 or as much as you'd like. Last time I checked, being a pilot meant you knew how to fly, not a legal expert. In this case, referring to Dao, you are absolutely wrong. As I read SWA's contract of carriage, Dao would NOT come under the category of IDB, which refers to passengers with BOARDING passes, not passengers that have been seated with a SWA issued boarding pass. I'm not a lawyer, but unless Dao came under some of the other proscriptions under federal law (drunk, crazy, threatening, etc) he would NOT be eligible for being removed unless there was a safety issue. Just a snipped from SWA site: (note the checked in and boarding pass terms)
I would think that SWA would be smart enough, even if it's pilots aren't, to not attempt to deplane someone, unless he volunteered to do so, because it is convenient for their air crews with no fault on the passenger's part. Dao, if he was on a SWA flight, could not be an IDB, since he had already been boarded and seated. BTW, the United flight was NOT, repeat NOT, overbooked. Why don't you ask your SWA superior, if you can throw a normal passenger off THAT HAS BEEN BOARDED AND SEATED, and is not doing anything that would require he be removed? I'll think you'll be surprised. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Further....
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Relevant section Southwest Airlines Contract of Carriage:
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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