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Originally posted by stigonom:
Just want to tell you, that when I went home from the range today, my wife made us a whale beef dinner Thai Style, it was excellent! I had some friends from Ermelo, Holland here and they just loved it.



Sorry forgot to take pic of actual dish, it was so good we forgot!



STIG

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Originally posted by stigonom:
WhatThe,
I am Norwegian! we certainly do whaling!
It was friends from Holland visiting Norway, and I felt like I had to let them taste some Norwegian food, (altough my wife is Thai, so it was sort of mix, Thai cooking with Norwegian food, served to dutch people!)


STIG

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Originally posted by PerH:
Had whalesteak this weekend, its like the deepest red , most tender steak combined with venison.

chopped onion in the pan, a little madeira, cream, water, let it reduce, omg.

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Originally posted by WhatThe:
Whaling Facts Summary

To my friends here. This issue as posted on this forum has been taken too far out of context from it's original purpose which is about a bunch of ding-bats trying to stop Japanese whaling ships. However since it's was introduced I believe all have lost sight of my point which is the legality, sustainability and over all impact of whaling. It's not about nut-case eco freaks or how good they taste with a Corona, but rather following the law. I'm sure everyone here is disgusted with Obama as he sits idle while the Iranians defy the U.N. and continue their work towards nuclear weapons. When Iraq flew over the NFZ (no fly zone) the U.N. did nothing and the U.S. under G.W. Bush took matters into its own hands. The law is the law and if the U.N. does not have the stomach to enforce its own will, than step aside and let someone else do it! Do you agree that the U.S. should be labeled terrorists for enforcing what the U.N. won't? Of course not but everyone here seems to think a bunch of goof balls in an ill equip ship are terrorists for the same reason they DON'T believe the U.S. is. Sound kind a hypocritical? I have a sour taste in my mouth over Japanese issues and I will admit it from the top. Starting with my great uncle who survived the Bataan death march being beaten so bad he was left in a wheel chair for the rest of his life. He watched 1 friend beheaded and several Philippino children shot in the head while the mothers were made to watch. The 2400 + killed at Pearl Harbor, the countless POW's tortured and murdered while imprisoned. The list goes on and on...and on...and on! To this very day the Japanese defy laws, cover up their lies and pillage, rape and pirate others oceans to get what they want. They won't pay to import our fish, so they come here and take what they want. Sound like a bunch of good folks that should be paid reparations for being detained, fed, medically observed and sheltered while we fought their homeland after cowardly attacking us? How did they treat our captured? With bamboo shoots driven up their nail beds and being whipped with knotted ropes just for kicks! I have no problem hunting whales, eating whales etc., in fact I think it would be a once in a lifetime adventure to stand harpoon! But there is a reason for protecting and managing them just like any species i.e. deer, elk, bear etc. to ensure the survival of the species and to allow future generations to have access to that species for whatever appropriate reason i.e., hunting fishing, watching etc. So in closing I leave some interesting reading and a hope that you understand that this is not about some rouge eco-nut, but rather respect for the law and nature.

The IWC (International Whaling Commission)

* The IWC is the organization responsible for regulating whaling. It was formed in 1946 to manage sustainable hunting of whales. Now it is responsible for conservation of whales, but it is still an imperfect system reflecting its pro-whaling origins.
* In 1982 the IWC voted to introduce a Moratorium on Commercial Whaling, to take effect in 1986, however Japan never stopped killing whales (see ‘Scientific whaling’ below).
* In fact, more than 25,000 whales have been killed since the Moratorium was supposed to come into force.
* IWC decisions are based on a vote, and Japan “encourages” small third world countries to join the IWC and vote on their side. Japan is alleged to have handed out more than $400 million in bribes so far.


Japanese ‘Scientific Whaling’

* Japan exploits a loophole in IWC legislation, and has never stopped killing whales despite the Moratorium. They simply assign themselves a permit to undertake ‘scientific whaling’ (ie. killing whales for the purpose of scientific research) and continue hunting whales as before.
* This practice has been described as “commercial whaling in disguise” – particularly as the meat ends up for sale in high class Japanese restaurants.
* Japanese claim to be undertaking research by killing whales. However, most of the data collected by the Japanese ‘Scientific whaling’ programme is not required for management or conservation of whale stocks and is never published in reputable scientific journals.
* Many Japanese ‘research’ objectives are based on unsubstantiated or incorrect scientific assumptions. The few relevant research objectives they have (relating to population makeup etc) can be much better addressed using non-lethal methods (e.g. tagging, DNA profiling, and photo-ID etc), or by analysing a century’s worth of commercial catch statistics, plus data from the previous 20 years of Japan’s lethal research programme.
* Most Japanese ‘research’ objectives are directed towards finding data to support a return to commercial whaling, and/or studies on how to make whaling more efficient.


Whales and whaling

* Blue whales are the largest, and also the rarest whales. There were once 220,000 Blues in Southern Ocean, reduced to around 500 now (maybe 3000 worldwide) by past overhunting. This represents a reduction to approximately 0.2% of their original Antarctic population (or 1.5% worldwide). Despite being protected since the 1960s, their numbers have not recovered.
* Minke whales are the commonest of the rorquals (‘Great whales’) – mainly because they are the smallest so have not been subjected to the same hunting pressure yet (they were not targeted by whalers until the 1970s when larger species became too rare). Recent estimates show there could already be as few as 250,000 Minkes from 3 different sub-species in the Southern Ocean, despite Japanese claims of close to 1 million.
* The whales Japan hunts are the same ones that migrate past the coasts of NZ and Australia, and breed in the Pacific Islands. In addition to the ‘scientific’ whaling loophole Japanese whalers defy the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary declared in 1994 by killing them right in the heart of the protected area.
* A lot of the legitimate science is disputed by Japan which comes up with its own (dubious) figures to justify the supposed sustainability of a continued kill. They also argue it is a cherished cultural tradition for Japanese people to keep killing whales - However a recent Japanese Newspaper poll found only 4% of Japanese regularly eat whale meat.
* Massive industrial-scale Antarctic whaling 10,000 km from Japan is definitely not a tradition and only began around World War II when whale stocks around Japan were already commercially extinct (unviable for continued hunting). Whales were initially targeted by the Japanese for oil as a source of foreign currency!


Recent Developments

* Japan initially claimed they were taking only Minke whales, but covert genetic analysis by New Zealand scientists revealed some meat for sale in Japan in the 1990s came from dolphins, and some from endangered species such as Sei, Fin, and Humpback whales.
* The NZ Conservation Minister said anti-whaling nations struggled to comprehend Japan's rationale for continuing whaling. "There is no financial value in it, there is certainly no science in it, so it has to be a twisted nationalism."
* Japan continues to demand an end to sanctuaries, and an abolition of the Moratorium to allow a return to commercial hunting. Following Japan’s example, Norway and Iceland have also resumed whaling in the Northern Hemisphere in recent years, killing hundreds of Minke whales, along with Fin and Sei whales (both species listed as ‘Endangered’ i.e. facing a very high risk of extinction in the wild in the near future).
* At the 2006 IWC meeting Japan managed to (buy enough support to) win the vote declaring that the Moratorium on Commercial Whaling is unnecessary and blaming whales for depleting the world's fish stocks.
* Following this success, Japan announced its plans to expand its whaling effort to kill the following numbers whales per year, beginning in the 2006-07 season:

In the Antarctic:
o Double their current Minke whale kill to 935
o 50 Humpback whales [the total population estimated to pass through New Zealand waters is only 2000!] (species listed as ‘Vulnerable’ i.e. facing a high risk of extinction in the wild in the medium-term future)
o up to 50 Fin whales (species listed as ‘Endangered’ i.e. facing a very high risk of extinction in the wild in the near future)

In the North Pacific:
o 220 Minke whales
o 50 Bryde’s whales (species listed as ‘Unknown Status’ due to lack of data)
o 50 Sei whales (species listed as ‘Endangered’ ie. facing a very high risk of extinction in the wild in the near future)
o 10 sperm whales (species listed as ‘Vulnerable’ ie. facing a high risk of extinction in the wild in the medium-term future)

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I don't like their tactics. I would like to see them get sunk. I have no sympathy for them at all.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Here is a little Trivia. After the end of WWII, there was a critical food shortage in Japan.

General MacArther was the one that authorized the Japanease to start back up whaleing.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by WhatThe:
Whaling Facts Summary.

I don't see Bowheads in there anywhere so I take it you are fine with Inupiaq chowing down.

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Originally posted by Stopckmaker:
I guess that I am the "lone ranger"on this one.

The Japanese are breaking the law and SHOULD be stopped. At least the anti-whalers are trying to right a wrong.It looks to me like those critical of efforts to impede whaling are so vehemently opposed to anti-hunting of any stripe that they
are over-reacting to anti-whaling as well.The Japanese are generally rapacious in their use of marine resources world wide. Does the over- harvest of bluefin tuna due to HIGH prices from the Japs
strike a cord ? (just one of many examples).

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Originally posted by D99:
Wow I love these idiots, I spend everyshow hoping that a Japanese military submarine comes up fron behind them and blows them to hell.

Anyone else think this Whale Wars is the stupidst thing on TV?

The problem is I am helping the ratings, and the tv station probably thinks I like the show. I just watch it hoping that these idiots get killed and freeze to death off the coast of Antartica.

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anti-whalers are trying to right a wrong

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Originally posted by Stopckmaker:
I guess that I am the "lone ranger"on this one.

The Japanese are breaking the law and SHOULD be stopped. At least the anti-whalers are trying to right a wrong.It looks to me like those critical of efforts to impede whaling are so vehemently opposed to anti-hunting of any stripe that they
are over-reacting to anti-whaling as well.The Japanese are generally rapacious in their use of marine resources world wide. Does the over- harvest of bluefin tuna due to HIGH prices from the Japs
strike a cord ? (just one of many examples).

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Originally posted by Nganga:
I watched this nonsense for the first time Sunday, my first impression was what the hell are these filthy hippies doing? they have no clue.

You go spend 2 million of somebody elses money and buy a ship slower than the ones you wish to pursue? lame, lame, lame.

These people are the offspring from the loins of the wealthly, spoiled little pricks that turn into crusadors. The women, in my opinion are filthy little sluts. the men are all soft ivy league pussies. That big nose Aussie driving the black "speed" boat has about as much seamanship as Marlin Perkins.

shooting potato guns filled with some kind of acid to stop a ship? why don't the jap boats disable the SS? These guys, as stated by another poster will just go to Africa and stop jumbo hunts or lion hunts or go to the arctic to stop polar bears from being shot. So let them be, it makes them feel good about themselves and keeps them from becoming politicians.

Dumb ass's the bunch of em.

Steve

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Originally posted by Nganga:
I watched this nonsense for the first time Sunday, my first impression was what the hell are these filthy hippies doing? they have no clue.

You go spend 2 million of somebody elses money and buy a ship slower than the ones you wish to pursue? lame, lame, lame.

These people are the offspring from the loins of the wealthly, spoiled little pricks that turn into crusadors. The women, in my opinion are filthy little sluts. the men are all soft ivy league pussies. That big nose Aussie driving the black "speed" boat has about as much seamanship as Marlin Perkins.

shooting potato guns filled with some kind of acid to stop a ship? why don't the jap boats disable the SS? These guys, as stated by another poster will just go to Africa and stop jumbo hunts or lion hunts or go to the arctic to stop polar bears from being shot. So let them be, it makes them feel good about themselves and keeps them from becoming politicians.

Dumb ass's the bunch of em.

Steve

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I agree 100% on everything you said, except that I don't have any reason to believe the women are "sluts".

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Originally posted by SG Olds:
I will give a %*&@%* when they anchor off an Inuit village and disrupt their killing of actually endangered whales. Until then this is just more anti-capitalism.