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Originally posted by Grafton:
The funny thing is that for the most part they appear incompetent in what they do. None of their techniques seem to work and the Japanese are always one step ahead of them. Looks to me like they are just burning up a bunch of fuel.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
And this has what all to do with African travel???
Just asking.

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Originally posted by jeff h:

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
And this has what all to do with African travel???
Just asking.

Agree, I a pulling for the whales on this one.

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I'm not an Eco nut case and I'm 100% pro-hunt, but I don't let it get in the way of responsible management either. There is absolutely NO REASON what so ever to take any wale (s) for any reason including medical (it's all been done and there is enough tissue etc. to provide many more years of medical research). Research is only a cover the Japaneses use to hide their thirst for high priced gourmet wale flesh.

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Originally posted by D99:
Wow I love these idiots, I spend everyshow hoping that a Japanese military submarine comes up fron behind them and blows them to hell.

Anyone else think this Whale Wars is the stupidst thing on TV?

The problem is I am helping the ratings, and the tv station probably thinks I like the show. I just watch it hoping that these idiots get killed and freeze to death off the coast of Antartica.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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I'm not an Eco nut case and I'm 100% pro-hunt, but I don't let it get in the way of responsible management either. There is absolutely NO REASON what so ever to take any wale (s) for any reason including medical (it's all been done and there is enough tissue etc. to provide many more years of medical research). Research is only a cover the Japaneses use to hide their thirst for high priced gourmet wale flesh.

So what, they're taking 50 a year, and the population is increasing at over 3% a year. That's management. Pretty quick you won't be able to go to the beach for the wale (sic) excrement......

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Originally posted by WhatThe:

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Originally posted by jeff h:

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
And this has what all to do with African travel???
Just asking.

Agree, I a pulling for the whales on this one.

Don't understand the negative remarks about these guys that are trying to get in between the unnecessary slaughter of wales! There is a reason why you can only dart certain species of African game and why many deer hunts have come to a drawing and many animals can no longer be hunted! I'm not an Eco nut case and I'm 100% pro-hunt, but I don't let it get in the way of responsible management either. There is absolutely NO REASON what so ever to take any wale (s) for any reason including medical (it's all been done and there is enough tissue etc. to provide many more years of medical research). Research is only a cover the Japaneses use to hide their thirst for high priced gourmet wale flesh. Where I live in CA, we had hundreds of black bears killed by Korean immigrants and so called "Korean visitors" to satisfy their need for an aphrodisiac pulling out the needed organ and leaving the rest to rot. This had a great effect on the bear population and to date it is estimated that around 475 bears (male and female) have been taken and that approximately 60 cubs died due to the loss of their mother. So I think it's wise to think this one out before chastising these guys aboard that run down ship! I too agree they are clumsy and ill equipped but I am rooting for their success and hope they can secure better personnel and equipment to really make their venture more successful!

Think about it guys........!

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Originally posted by JA:
I think you are right jdollar, this guy is full of sh!t. He is sounding just like an old Southern Kalifornia animal rights activist. A whale is an animal just like an other and should be utilized for human consumption as long as there are sustainable populations. All this talk has me wondering... what's the trophy fee on a whale?

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how could 400 plus bears have been taken to date when the season doesn't open for 4 months. as far as legal bear hunting in Ca., it is tightly regulated and the season closes when the quota is reached. if you mean 475 bears since bear hunting was legalized, that's a very small number compared to the total take. if you are going to use an analogy, at least make it a good one. there are more bears in Ca. now than 50 years ago, hence a 1200 plus annual season quota. basically i think you are an anti-hunter bullshitter. there is NO animal in Africa that can ONLY be (legally) hunted with a dart gun, including black rhino.

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Originally posted by JA:
Okay WhatThe,
First off congratulations on the rhino dart, always wanted to do that. As far as who has more trophies on the wall, that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the use of anti hunter rhetoric to make a case for saving the whales. I think many hunters have an animal that they don’t care to hunt for sentimental or other reasons. The difference is that most hunters don’t go on an anti hunting campaign for that particular animal. If you don’t want to hunt a whale then don’t, or elephant, giraffe or whatever animal it may be. As for illegal hunting I doubt you could find one person here that is not against poaching, but if the Japanese have a permit for the whales they are not poaching. Now about “sounding like a red neck”, have you seen pictures of the people on this forum? Have you read their posts? You just can’t hide the truth. Jim

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:
A MUST see. Watch until the end. I think most folks will enjoy this, especially if you've seen some of the shitheads on the Whale Wars and are familiar with the characters.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251888

BTW, to the Greenies posting on this topic, here's one fantastic reason to hunt whales: they're delicious!

Whale (kujira) sashimi. My wife and I eat it every time we're back in tokyo. It's wonderfully delicious and magically nutritious!



Whale meat stall @ tsukijii.

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Originally posted by D99:


The problem is I am helping the ratings, and the tv station probably thinks I like the show.

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Nielsen television ratings are gathered in one of two ways:

1. Viewer "diaries", in which a target audience self-records its viewing or listening habits. By targeting various demographics, the assembled statistical models provide a rendering of the audiences of any given show, network, and programming hour.
2. A more technologically sophisticated system uses Set Meters, which are small devices connected to televisions in selected homes. These devices gather the viewing habits of the home and transmit the information nightly to Nielsen through a "Home Unit" connected to a phone line. The technology-based home unit system is meant to allow market researchers to study television viewing habits on a minute to minute basis, seeing the exact moment viewers change channels or turn off their TV.

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Originally posted by WhatThe:

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how could 400 plus bears have been taken to date when the season doesn't open for 4 months. as far as legal bear hunting in Ca., it is tightly regulated and the season closes when the quota is reached. if you mean 475 bears since bear hunting was legalized, that's a very small number compared to the total take. if you are going to use an analogy, at least make it a good one. there are more bears in Ca. now than 50 years ago, hence a 1200 plus annual season quota. basically i think you are an anti-hunter bullshitter. there is NO animal in Africa that can ONLY be (legally) hunted with a dart gun, including black rhino.

Perhaps you should make an attempt to read, try to read or at the minimum pretend to read and understand a post before you comment on it. I am not here to argue and make accusations about anybody as you have about me such as anti-hunter activist bull-shitter. I am all for a good intelligent debate and I can take a lesson just as I can give one. So with that said, here's some advice:

1) Had you read my post, you would understand that I was talking about the ILLEGAL taking of bears in a local NOT state wide that has effected the population. This is why the State is made up of zones so the population can be controlled and managed in a specific region.

2) After I darted my first b/rino about 4 years ago it was amazing to watch our guide and scouts go to work on the animal. First they covered his eyes to protect them from the sun and insects because they dilate with the drug, second they got him upright with his front legs tucked under his chest for easier breathing. Then we took our pictures and backed off while the team managed the recovery. Very impressive!

3) Anti-hunter activist? To that end, I will bet and pay out first round trip fare to prove I have more game on the wall than you do now or ever will. Just say go!

Again I don't want to argue with anyone and I try my best not to pass any ill will at all. If I do or have, then I apologize. There is no reason at all to give the real liberal activist any ammunition against forums and hunters like you find here by saying "Yea, I would like to blow a wales head off" or wish the crew some type of demise. It only makes this forum and its members sound like what they like to call us "a bunch of ignorant red-necks". So to part here, I have no beef with you, your probably a cool dude, just don't call me a liar or names please.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by WhatThe:

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how could 400 plus bears have been taken to date when the season doesn't open for 4 months. as far as legal bear hunting in Ca., it is tightly regulated and the season closes when the quota is reached. if you mean 475 bears since bear hunting was legalized, that's a very small number compared to the total take. if you are going to use an analogy, at least make it a good one. there are more bears in Ca. now than 50 years ago, hence a 1200 plus annual season quota. basically i think you are an anti-hunter bullshitter. there is NO animal in Africa that can ONLY be (legally) hunted with a dart gun, including black rhino.

Perhaps you should make an attempt to read, try to read or at the minimum pretend to read and understand a post before you comment on it. I am not here to argue and make accusations about anybody as you have about me such as anti-hunter activist bull-shitter. I am all for a good intelligent debate and I can take a lesson just as I can give one. So with that said, here's some advice:

1) Had you read my post, you would understand that I was talking about the ILLEGAL taking of bears in a local NOT state wide that has effected the population. This is why the State is made up of zones so the population can be controlled and managed in a specific region.

2) After I darted my first b/rino about 4 years ago it was amazing to watch our guide and scouts go to work on the animal. First they covered his eyes to protect them from the sun and insects because they dilate with the drug, second they got him upright with his front legs tucked under his chest for easier breathing. Then we took our pictures and backed off while the team managed the recovery. Very impressive!

3) Anti-hunter activist? To that end, I will bet and pay out first round trip fare to prove I have more game on the wall than you do now or ever will. Just say go!

Again I don't want to argue with anyone and I try my best not to pass any ill will at all. If I do or have, then I apologize. There is no reason at all to give the real liberal activist any ammunition against forums and hunters like you find here by saying "Yea, I would like to blow a wales head off" or wish the crew some type of demise. It only makes this forum and its members sound like what they like to call us "a bunch of ignorant red-necks". So to part here, I have no beef with you, your probably a cool dude, just don't call me a liar or names please.

you are the idiot who should read your own post. taking it point by point
#1. no where in your post did you state that you were talking about ILLEGAL taking of bears. you only mentioned KILLING of bears which only means the bears are DEAD. it can obviously be poaching or legal hunting but i am not a mind reader and unable to know what you were referring to. poaching is an illegal activity that has nothing to do with hunting.as far as your stupid statement about the state being divide into zones to manage the population-THAT ONLY APPLIES TO DEER TAGS. GO TO THE DFG WEBSITE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE STATE SELLS A TOTAL OF 15,000 BEAR TAGS AND ALLOWS A STATEWIDE HARVEST OF 1700 BEARS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU HUNT- AS LONG AS THE COUNTY YOU ARE IN HAS LEGAL BEAR

HUNTING(WHICH MOST OF THEM DO).IF ALL 1700 TAGS WERE FILLED IN A SINGLE COUNTY, IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL AND THE SEASON WOULD THEN CLOSE.
#2.what does your darting of a black rhino have to do with your incorrect statement that there are certain animals in Africa can ONLY be darted. that is just plain incorrect. there is NO game animal in Africa that can only be darted, including black rhino( although it is certainly very expensive to do so in Namibia and RSA, it is definitely legal).
#3 since you don't know me, how can you possibly have ANY IDEA how many game animals are in my house? and what exactly does the number of trophies one possesses have to do with the rest of your bullshit post?
bottom line- you are 3 strikes and out. no runs, no hits and 3 errors. try again when you can actually back up your statements with facts

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Originally posted by jdollar:
you STILL haven't answered the question, what game can only be darted in Africa? since you obviously don't know, just say so. out of 17,000 Ca. bear tags, how many go to Korean immigrants or visitors.? just say you don't know and neither do I.. to what is hanging on my walls, just say you don't know that either. don't post opinion as fact.

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Originally posted by Minkman:
Couple of things;

There are too many marine mammals eating too much bio-mass. Fish are disappearing from the world's oceans ( and the Rift Valley, this is about Africa, right?), because you can't eat or wear any of them. Seal pepperoni pizza, sea otter trim, pilot whale oil, and the best tasting sea mammal treat...Bottle nose porpoise liver is absolutely fabulous!!! Damn Richard Nixon.

If you enjoy hunting/fishing/trapping and you don't want to keep doing it...Complain every chance you get about others methods for LEGALLY taking wildlife. Protest light line fishing, make a big stink about how cruel it is to use a dog to hunt. Throw verbal paint on those trapping.

Eco-religious groups pretending to support your tiny segment of hunting/fishing rights are waiting to take your money and sport from you.

You make me sick with your whining

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

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Originally posted by Minkman:
Couple of things;

There are too many marine mammals eating too much bio-mass. Fish are disappearing from the world's oceans ( and the Rift Valley, this is about Africa, right?), because you can't eat or wear any of them. Seal pepperoni pizza, sea otter trim, pilot whale oil, and the best tasting sea mammal treat...Bottle nose porpoise liver is absolutely fabulous!!! Damn Richard Nixon.

If you enjoy hunting/fishing/trapping and you don't want to keep doing it...Complain every chance you get about others methods for LEGALLY taking wildlife. Protest light line fishing, make a big stink about how cruel it is to use a dog to hunt. Throw verbal paint on those trapping.

Eco-religious groups pretending to support your tiny segment of hunting/fishing rights are waiting to take your money and sport from you.

You make me sick with your whining

Well said, though I'd take exception to your suggesting that the lowly seal tastes better than a whale steak, or whale sushi.

The striped bass fishing has gone down hill for years at places like Monomoy Island, Cape Cod, where there are huge colonies of seals that have taken up residence. Only good thing is that a number of great whites are working that lot. But then that doesn't sit well with all fishermen...

He also conveniently forgot to mention that the WHITE MAN ALSO HUNTS WHALES, and has for centuries (apologies for ruining your bigoted, emotion-filled previous response) BTW, ever heard of the Norweigans or the Icelandic people, donkey boy? They love hunting and eating whale, and they're not known for being a terribly bloodthirsty, cruel lot of savages, I don't think. How's that going to work out for your argument?

Oh, *that's* different? Riiiight. Not to worry, gang. Not only has he proven himself to be an idiot, but he's also obviously a rank amateur as far as the art of the argument. Fail. Thanks for playing. Next.

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Originally posted by WhatThe:

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

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Originally posted by Minkman:
Couple of things;

There are too many marine mammals eating too much bio-mass. Fish are disappearing from the world's oceans ( and the Rift Valley, this is about Africa, right?), because you can't eat or wear any of them. Seal pepperoni pizza, sea otter trim, pilot whale oil, and the best tasting sea mammal treat...Bottle nose porpoise liver is absolutely fabulous!!! Damn Richard Nixon.

If you enjoy hunting/fishing/trapping and you don't want to keep doing it...Complain every chance you get about others methods for LEGALLY taking wildlife. Protest light line fishing, make a big stink about how cruel it is to use a dog to hunt. Throw verbal paint on those trapping.

Eco-religious groups pretending to support your tiny segment of hunting/fishing rights are waiting to take your money and sport from you.

You make me sick with your whining

Well said, though I'd take exception to your suggesting that the lowly seal tastes better than a whale steak, or whale sushi.

The striped bass fishing has gone down hill for years at places like Monomoy Island, Cape Cod, where there are huge colonies of seals that have taken up residence. Only good thing is that a number of great whites are working that lot. But then that doesn't sit well with all fishermen...

He also conveniently forgot to mention that the WHITE MAN ALSO HUNTS WHALES, and has for centuries (apologies for ruining your bigoted, emotion-filled previous response) BTW, ever heard of the Norweigans or the Icelandic people, donkey boy? They love hunting and eating whale, and they're not known for being a terribly bloodthirsty, cruel lot of savages, I don't think. How's that going to work out for your argument?

Oh, *that's* different? Riiiight. Not to worry, gang. Not only has he proven himself to be an idiot, but he's also obviously a rank amateur as far as the art of the argument. Fail. Thanks for playing. Next.

I would take exception and say that Elk liver wrapped in bacon smothered with onions fried with a coat of flour, salt, garlic powder is by far more tasty. To me seal meat is too oily and has a strange odor when cooking. If you like it, enjoy! The great white can be a nuisance, but then again have you ever had grilled shark with Italian seasoning and a splash of lemon! Oh ya and those white guys, you must mean the one's following the law. Oh and "hunting with dogs" to me is the only way to go! Never had the chance to use them for bear, pig or other mammals but would love the chance some day. For upland game and waterfowl they have served me well! Well gotta go, getting hungry with all this banter!

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Originally posted by WhatThe:

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Originally posted by jeff h:

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
And this has what all to do with African travel???
Just asking.

Agree, I a pulling for the whales on this one.

Don't understand the negative remarks about these guys that are trying to get in between the unnecessary slaughter of wales! There is a reason why you can only dart certain species of African game and why many deer hunts have come to a drawing and many animals can no longer be hunted! I'm not an Eco nut case and I'm 100% pro-hunt, but I don't let it get in the way of responsible management either. There is absolutely NO REASON what so ever to take any wale (s) for any reason including medical (it's all been done and there is enough tissue etc. to provide many more years of medical research). Research is only a cover the Japaneses use to hide their thirst for high priced gourmet wale flesh. Where I live in CA, we had hundreds of black bears killed by Korean immigrants and so called "Korean visitors" to satisfy their need for an aphrodisiac pulling out the needed organ and leaving the rest to rot. This had a great effect on the bear population and to date it is estimated that around 475 bears (male and female) have been taken and that approximately 60 cubs died due to the loss of their mother. So I think it's wise to think this one out before chastising these guys aboard that run down ship! I too agree they are clumsy and ill equipped but I am rooting for their success and hope they can secure better personnel and equipment to really make their venture more successful!

Think about it guys........!

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:
Well said, though I'd take exception to your suggesting that the lowly seal tastes better than a whale steak, or whale sushi.

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Originally posted by conifer:
What is obivous to me is that you have never eaten whale.
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What has this inane remark to do with the reality of the world as a planet of important organisms? Why are "adults" including Kamo Gari, Jdollar, minkman and others resorting to name-calling .... with reference to comments by Whatthe? "I" certainly wouldn't do that!! "I" wouldn't stoop to their level and call them ignorant, ego-inflated, narrow-minded, macho-dedicated, self-centered, sightless, arrogant wanna-be-men. Not ME!