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I had a nula 416 rem that I had to sell a while back and now back into guiding. In the market for a sub seven lb 375 built to my specs. Any gun makers on here that might be interested in a trade or swap? Heavily discounted Alaskan hunt for a rifle or the like? Would love to entertain ideas if some of you have parts and pieces around to build what I want. | ||
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are you thinking a carbine? I have something you might be very interested in, built around a commercial FN Mauser. PM me if you want to talk trade on a hunt. Rich | |||
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Is that including the scope? 
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I was 6.25 minus scope and sling but with irons on my 416. A 7.5 geared up would be fine. I like a 20-22" barrel as well. Could you pm me some photos of the carbine you have rich? | |||
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If Rich's rifle doesn't work out, you could always opt for an older Ruger Alaskan in 375 or 416 Ruger. You can still find them new. They're stainless and synthetic and not that heavy. | |||
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I don't think I've seen ammo for the 416 ruger ever and i'd still have to shorten the stock I think. Not sure what factory lop is on those. Would rather stick to standard calibers that I can get Components for all the time and from almost everywhere. | |||
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I once had the opportunity to fire a few of the B&M rifles. They were nice little carbines based on Model 70 actions. I believe every one of those rifles weighed about 6-1/2 pounds. All of the cartridges were medium and large bore, fat, stubby, specialty rounds. When it comes to shaving weight there is a lot to be said for shorter barrels vs thinner barrels. The rifles are built by SSK Industries. I don't see why SSK couldn't build you the same thing in a .375 H&H or .375 Ruger. Weight would only be slightly more. They already have the stocks, barrels, and pertinent dimensions worked out. Of course, I can't speak for them. But it might be worth asking about. . | |||
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Cool little rig, my present 458 has a 19" barrel and if it takes another trip to the smith it may go to 18". A 7lb 416 has got to be kicker! I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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My 416 was 6.25lb with no sling or scope and i loved shooting that gun! Melvin Forbes knows what he's doing with his stock building to reduce felt recoil. Did 49 rounds in one day off a bench and had to stop...was getting s headache. lol If I had cash on hand im sure I could buy a new gun, but cash I do not have. A guide business I do have so I'm looking for trades. | |||
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A mauser actioned 376 styer with a synthetic stock would fit the bill wouldn't it? | |||
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a couple yrs ago at one of the "dangerous waterjug shoots" in the Houston area, I had the opportunity to shoot a rem 700 titanium in .416 rem mag.. weight was less than 5 lbs,, had 2 recoil pads,, I shot it with my own factory Remington ammo, 400 gr barnes solids.. recoil was manageable, the 2 recoil pads took care of that,,, I think the gun belonged to bigdoggy... go big or go home ........ DSC-- Life Member NRA--Life member DRSS--9.3x74 r Chapuis | |||
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Follow Biebs advice Get on cdnn and buy a 375 alaskan ruger guide gun - by the discontinued model for 699. Its sub 8 pounds - is is stainless, it has laminated wood stock - its built like a tank accurate weatherproof I took mine to Alaska no issues at all. Left it in the rain, dropped it down a sponge covered hill hundred of feet, banged it around a plane, not a nick or any rust. To save a pound on custom rifle you will pay thousands more and get less durable gun. Accurate as hell too. Plenty of 375 ruger ammo around. Mike | |||
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So, you are not looking to buy but you are looking for someone to give you a rifle in exchange for guiding services. Correct?
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I'm looking for a gun to be part of the payment for a guided hunt. Can the 375 ruger support eaw quick detach mounts? What's the discontinued model? I'm not real familiar with their current situation. Would have to restock it as well and I hate ruger scope mounts. | |||
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After holding that rifle I said to myself that if I ever wanted a nice off the shelf 375 that this was pretty much as close to perfect as possible for that niche. A beauty to hold. That said... What is important to you besides the clambering and the weight? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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18" on the WSM action (walnut stock) and 16 1/2" on the WSSM action (synthetic stock). Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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from reading this thread so far it doesn't appear that there are too many members who are offering their guns in trade. I suspect that is because they have no sense of the value of what is being offered in return. anyone can offer anything in trade for something else. And what is offered here may be a great trade - if an analysis could be done. The easiest trade for a gun is another gun. That way values can be easily ascertained. But here there has been no information to determine the value of what is being offered. I suspect that is why nobody is offering their rifles for trade. | |||
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Or perhaps those reading the thread have never hired a guide in Alaska. | |||
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I don't want to disagree, but I hunt in some pretty chilly temperatures and have done so with fwt stainless barrels. I have never heard of this or seen this happen in Alberta. Ever. | |||
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I too have also heard the rumor about stainless steel loosing strength in the cold but it turns out to be just that - rumor. I have talked with other barrel makers who don't hold that opinion and don't know how many million stainless steel Ruger pistols and rifles are used in Alaska and Canada at temperatures as low as -50 and have never heard of a problem. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I had some Alaska Arms QD rings put on a Ruger recently. You might check into them. I have not had the rifle long enough to really have an opinion. http://www.alaskaarmsllc.com/ ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I have installed Alaska Arms rings on all my Rugers as they are simple, rugged, attractive, affordable and always seem to return to zero. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Well I'm going with a Ruger guide gun in 416 Ruger. About the cheapest option. Tslked with Wild West guns and they said for about 1300 bucks they might be able to shave a half pound off the gun. Ya, I'll just get stronger thanks. Thanks for everyone's input on this, gonna have to find some loads guys are using for this ruger. Been loading for the Remington for so long.. Alaska arms rings will be on it, tslked to them a few times, they live right down the road from me so shipping will be cheap! | |||
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Jake, depending on what you are looking for I have a blued steel 416 Ruger "African" in one of the tough and light Ruger canoe paddle stock and you can have it for less than that. Drop me a PM or e-mail as I am still in the valley Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Phil I appreciate the offer, but I have already ordered the new one. One of my big issues is my lop is so short I have to alter or change stocks all the time. Have a great season! I'll be Down at butch' place this fall, as I missed the drawing for Kodiak.... | |||
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LOP, especially for Alaskan guides, is something most folks don't understand. And shorter is always better than too long. I would like to help you with reloading data but most of my reloading info is in camp. But your idea of the 350 gr bullets in the 416 is a good one. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I've ran a 416 for the last 10 years or so, everything from a-frames, partitions, 400 and 350 x bullets. I eventually settled on the 350 and have loved them. The 416 rugers case size is deceiving, I keep thinking it won't handle a bullet that size....not used to the "shorter" mags. I'm anxious to see if I can tell any difference in field conditions from my rem to the new ruger. Shorter LOP can almost make any gun a nice gun. Almost. | |||
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Glad you got it worked out. You should be happy with that setup. Ruger makes a solid rifle. Jeremy | |||
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Hell Duane, At 7am today the wind chill was only -41 degrees. Last year we had over a week in the -50's. Dave | |||
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The current Browning SS Xbolt 375hh weighs 6lb/13oz from the faxtory I am sure weight can be removed Item Number 035202132 UPC 023614258599 Action Length Long Action Caliber 375 HH Mag Barrel Length 24" Overall Length 44 3/4" Length of Pull 13 5/8" Drop at Comb 11/16" Drop at Heel 1/2" Weight 6 lbs 13 oz Magazine Capacity 3 Sight Radius 20" Twist Rate 1 in 12" NRA Life Member, ILL Rifle Assoc Life Member, Navy | |||
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If it's the one I'm thinking of it looked like the fluting served as scoring.
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It makes you wonder about all those Model 70 fwts and 700 mountain rifles. I think we know that Sako used bad steel in those barrels.  | |||
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Did I understand you to say you are paying $1300 to have 8 ounces removed from a rifle? I think that is way too much. Way. | |||
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I can lighten my .400 by twice that amount if I hacksaw 6" off the barrel. . | |||
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I was saying I would never pay 1300 for 8oz. Seemed ridiculous. They said flute the barrell and a McMillan stock. For 1300....no thanks. | |||
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Whew ! Good; there are simpler ways to cut 8 ounces from a rifle. | |||
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I was thinking of taking the recoil pad off And drilling holes into the stock. Barrel is already 20"....what ideas for saving weight. I'm tempted to hit the stock with a sander and make it slimmer. I have small hands. | |||
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I'll assume you have a wood stock. Bore out the buttstock under the recoil pad. Use a stepped approach with a 1/2" or 3/4" bit first and deepest. Then a little larger bit going in shallower, then a little larger bit going in shallower still. Forstner bits work well for this. You can usually bore 2 holes, maybe 3. You can use a router to cut a channel in the forearm under the barrel. Careful with this one, though. It is easy to slip and make an unsightly gouge in the barrel channel. Shorten the forearm and recontour it. Make certain you seal any wood that you cut with a spar varnish. This won't remove a lot of weight, but will save a few ounces. Otherwise, you are looking at metal removal either with milling on the action or with a lathe to slim the barrel. And/or a lightweight synthetic stock. You may just leave it alone for now, and put on a light stock later on. Jeremy | |||
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Thanks Jeremy. Slimming the barrel sounds good. It's a broomstick barrell. It's a laminate wood stock. Shorten the forearm. I like that idea... What's a spar varnish? | |||
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