I just got word to "wrap it up and send it to them"!


They are going to let me pick a replacement, I've picked a specific .450, but it is possible that I might get a .500... if they let me change my mind.

If only in theory, which caliber what would y'all recomend (in a Sabatti of course).

I tend towards the .450, but what do y'all think, .450NE or .500NE?

Glad to hear Cabela's stepped up. Thanks to Jorge for helping pull the right chain for you.

What will be the main use of your DR? If you reply Elephant, then certainly go with the 500 NE. Otherwise, if you intend to use it for plains game rather than Ele & Buff exclusively, go with the 450. JMO. In any event, have them provide you with emails showing the different regulation targets of the available rifles and make your selection on that basis.

In my case I have plenty of other rifles -bolt guns- and just wanted to take my next and perhaps last Ele with a DR. I chose the 500 NE as it is said to have a decidedly more disruptive effect on Ele than the 450-470 category of cartridges.

I'd go 450, even though I love the 500.


First dr, you will want to shoot it a bit,
cheaper bullets, easily downloaded, will handle
anything a 500 will but a lot easier to shoot a lot
without the punishment.

.

Glad to hear I was able to help. I like it when we win

As to rifle caliber, I'd pick the one with the best target

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:
Glad to hear I was able to help. I like it when we win


As to rifle caliber, I'd pick the one with the best target

I really can't thank Jorge enough, he didn't know me from Davys hog, but he went to great lengths to be a help a poor Mountain boy. Thanks again Jorge!


As to picking a Sabatti by reg. target...
I'll look, I've spoken for the best regulated .450, but there is a .500 that melts my heart, pretty wood and a great reg. target! So maybe they will let me change my mind. If not no worries.

Which ever rifle I get, I will ad one or two 16oz. murcury recoil reducers, and a 1" Pachmayer. So even the recoil of the .500 would be reasonable.

In reference to actual caliber choice...
I guess what I was asking was, is the raw power of the .500 worth the price of recoil, and the increaced price of ammo?

quote:

Originally posted by Nemo .450:
In reference to actual caliber choice...
I guess what I was asking was, is the raw power of the .500 worth the price of recoil, and the increaced price of ammo?

I have been told on Elephant, yes, on other Large animals (Buff etc),
their IS a difference between 450/470 class and 500 Class and you can
tell the difference when hit in the same spot.

I have seen shockwave ripples down the side of a Buff with a 500 !!!

.

Glad to hear Cabela's is exchanging it for you. Supposedly this week is the week I can switch out my 450/400 as they have had a hard time finding an ejector model that wasn't sold. I've been on the road the past couple of weeks so it looks like it may work out for the best.

More info to come.

Thanks for the advice guys, and I hope for more opinions on the subject. That is, before they ship me the replacement, which is probably Monday or Tuesday.

xrayoneone, I am likewise glad to hear that it looks like you to will get yours replaced!


So it seems that even though Sabatti seems disinterested and untouchable, USSG is mostly ignorant and incompetent, Cabelas DOES stand behind "their" products.

Well, the aren't going to let me change my mind about the replacement gun. So I will be getting a .450NE and not a .500NE.

This isn't a complaint, merely letting y'all know whats going on.

Nemo

So you are getting a 450? PM me an address please, I have something I want to send to you in a week or so.

Michael

Mr. Michael, PM sent.


And for everybody to see...

Here is the replacement Sabatti: http://www.cabelas.com/product...26y%3D11&Ntt=sabatti

Not the prettiest wood out there, but she shoots!

Nothing wrong with that wood boy! nice, straight grain and a good test target. You did well. jorge

Well, my triggers are fine and they both work.
My Ejectors are well timed and both work well.
I have not duplicated my regulation target, but I have only shot 10 rounds.
Two different persons shot and the R barrel was in the same hole at 29 yds. The R barrel shoots R and the L barrel shoots L.
I will shoot off the bench next.
I also need the same ammo as regulated with, I have DGX not DGS.
I am on paper at 29 and 67 yds.

The only comment I have is : look very closely at your muzzles and let us know if you see anything strange.

Thanks
Nitro

nitro450exp,
I am glad you are pleased with your Sabatti, most folks are, and with exception to the dud I got, I have been generally very impressed with them.
I don't have the bum rifle any more, but I don't remember any thing amiss regarding the muzzles.
As I recall, the Sabattis .500s were regulated with DGX not DGS, but I could be mistaken.



And now an update,
I sent them my Sabatti, and they complained about some scratches on the stock, the result of 3 shooting sessions, and 2 or 3 trips to my gunsmith. One of which was obvious, and they had a right to complain. However, they seemed to think that it merited a $200. repair fee. I advised them that although obvious, it was not needfull not refinish the whole stock. I used to work at Accurate Innovations (custom gunstocks), in the finish room, so I know what I am talking about.
www.accurateinnovations.com

So, Rick McLeod (the fellow I've been dealing with in the Gun Room) spoke with "his" people, and they conceded that renumeration for the stock finish damage was not required. All I have to pay is a $35. shipping fee.
They shipped the rifle on Thursday, so taking ito account the fact that it is CHRISTmas time, it probably won't arrive till Monday.

It would seem that my "Saga of the Sabatti Double Rifle" is nearly over... let us hope that THIS Sabatti is more satisfactory.

I'll post when I get it, and again when I can shoot it to prove the regulation.


Merry CHRISTmas!

Nemo

My target says DGS maybe the thought process is that the 500 is an elephant gun so solids are the choice for regulation.

As to the muzzles I will wait until I am done shooting and loading before i share my observations, they may have some or no affect but until I know that for sure I don't want to fuel the fires.

Nitro

nirto450exp.
I am happy to hear that the Sabatti .500s are now regulated with DGS. When I first started shopping for a Sabatti, all the .500s I inquired about (and all the ones then on the Cabelas web-site) were regulated with DGX ammo. Anyway, glad to hear of the change, it is a most appropriate one.

I hope there is nothing truly wrong with your rifle. I suppose I'll have to wait till you deen fit to inform us as to the nature of your observations.



Merry CHRISTmas everybody! (again )

Well Cabela's replaced my 450/400. It remains to be seen how it shoots as it is to cold to hit the range. Keeping my fingers crossed. Cablea's is first rate dealing with these issues it's a shame that EAA/US Sportering Goods is falling down on the job.

quote:

Originally posted by xrayoneone:
Well Cabela's replaced my 450/400. It remains to be seen how it shoots as it is to cold to hit the range. Keeping my fingers crossed. Cablea's is first rate dealing with these issues it's a shame that EAA/US Sportering Goods is falling down on the job.

Congratulations! With a little effort in the right place, Cabelas will do right by their customer(s).

quote:

Originally posted by nitro450exp:

The only comment I have is : look very closely at your muzzles and let us know if you see anything strange.

Thanks
Nitro

Nitro,

I just recolected something about the muzzles on that bum .450, the crowning of the bbls.

On the rifle I returned, the crowning was terrible-awfull! All si-gogglin' (crooked and messed-up). It was if they had started to crown the muzzles at a bad angle, and then (realizing their mistake) tried to crown the bbls at a different angle.

In short, the crowning had two or three "bevel" marks, not a single smooth-round bevel.

I've been following this thread as a hopeful one day double rifle owner. I happened to be at Cabelas in Glendale, AZ yesterday. They had a Sabatti in .500NE if that's of interest to anyone.

They do appear to be a very nice gun for all that I know about them (very little). You might just get Cabelas to discount it as the rifle is covered in what now should be dried saliva.

quote:

Originally posted by 7MMNut:
They do appear to be a very nice gun for all that I know about them (very little). You might just get Cabelas to discount it as the rifle is covered in what now should be dried saliva.

Hey boys,

I picked up my replacement Sabatti today.
The wood is alot nicer than the pics show, the stock is a little shorter than the last gun, so it fits better. It weighs 6oz. more, so when I add a 16oz. C&H murcury recoil reducer, and a 1" Pachmayer pad (red), recoil should be rather comfortable.


I am very sorry to report that I also have bad news.

The stock is either poorly inletted, or is not properly "torqued". Sabatti forgot to drill for, and install a sling-stud on the stock... There is a sling-stud on the bbls, but not on the stock... And the trigger guard is rather loose.

On the good side, both triggers work, and the ejectors both work properly. The wood is rather nice, good decent english looking walnut, rather than the orange colored circassion walnut found on most of the Sabattis. The stock also has a fair bit of cast-off (if that is what you call a stock that's "bent" for a right handed fella).

The regulation target is better than it looks on the computer, I "guestimate" around or under 1" apart or a little over, rather diagonal, though that doesn't matter at all.


I haven't fired the rifle yet, but I plan to as soon as I get the stock (inletting) looked at, and make sure it won't crack on me.


Will post when I get to fire it and verify the regulation target.


Thanks again fellas for all the advice and support... keep it coming!

I realised that in the "papers" that comes with the rifle, there was a carbon copy of a(n) "repair order" to USSG/EAA. With the info. that says the rifle was returned for repair and the "repair/Action taken" was "replaced and fit new butt stock". So this paper explains why the stock has no sling stud and why the sub standard fitting.

No, Cabelas did not ship the old gun and have new stock put on it. It is a completly "new" firearm, with its own stock issues...

I had it inspected by a qualified gunsmith, and he assures me it is completely safe to shoot. It MIGHT require tightening of the stock, or perhaps glas-bedding, but otherwise it's fine.

I hope to take her out and shoot her this afternoon, to see how (if) she lives up to her regulation target.

Gongrtulation nimo.450, that is realy good good news on new years eve. I do hope it shoots as good as the target shown. the main thing is the fit of the mettle. if the mettel fiting is good and the rifle functions reliabely that what really matters IMO. As the wood always can be worked on especially you had worked in stock making CO.
Good shooting and God's speed
Enjoy it in this up commig year
happy new year to every body on the forum from the new commer to DRSS
mikeb470

malek.
Thanks for the kind words, good shooting and GOD speed to you sir!


Now a "general" report...

I took it out and shot it a few hours ago. At 25 yards -off sticks- the first 2 shots were around, oh, I'd say approx. 6" apart, the left being 2" high.

The next 2 rounds were less than 1" apart horizontaly (if that is how you spell that word), but they were 3 or 4" apart verticly.

The last 2 rounds were "comparable" to the regulation target, but were not as close as they should have been. Considering that I was shooting at 25 yards and off sticks.


Another issue with the rifle I didn't notice till my brother pointed it out before we shot it.


The sight arrangment on the Sabattis is a thin blade with a very course brass bead "atached" to the blade. The brass bead had been bent or knocked about 30 to 45 degrees out of line!

I called Cabelas (Glendale Az.) and spoke with Ryan (the Gun Room Manager) and told him about the whole thing. He allowed that I would be able to send the rifle back for replacement without paying shipping and insurance ($151. and something cents).

He said to call him back on Monday at 3:00 (his time) to get details. So I'll be sending THIS Sabatti back to... that is when I get the info from Ryan at Cabelas.


I declare, I'm getting sick and tired of this...

Happy New Year All.

Get your money back and be done with it. I'll be and the DSC convention next week and let me know if you get any pushback and I'll do what I can again. jorge

quote:

Originally posted by Nemo .450:
malek.
Thanks for the kind words, good shooting and GOD speed to you sir!


Now a "general" report...

I took it out and shot it a few hours ago. At 25 yards -off sticks- the first 2 shots were around, oh, I'd say approx. 6" apart, the left being 2" high.

The next 2 rounds were less than 1" apart horizontaly (if that is how you spell that word), but they were 3 or 4" apart verticly.

The last 2 rounds were "comparable" to the regulation target, but were not as close as they should have been. Considering that I was shooting at 25 yards and off sticks.


Another issue with the rifle I didn't notice till my brother pointed it out before we shot it.


The sight arrangment on the Sabattis is a thin blade with a very course brass bead "atached" to the blade. The brass bead had been bent or knocked about 30 to 45 degrees out of line!

I called Cabelas (Glendale Az.) and spoke with Ryan (the Gun Room Manager) and told him about the whole thing. He allowed that I would be able to send the rifle back for replacement without paying shipping and insurance ($151. and something cents).

He said to call him back on Monday at 3:00 (his time) to get details. So I'll be sending THIS Sabatti back to... that is when I get the info from Ryan at Cabelas.


I declare, I'm getting sick and tired of this...

Happy New Year All.

Good luck with your DR Mate.

Just a comment, I think your sig quote is a bit heavy.

Who is this guy John? He doesn't sound like a very nice fellow.

I certainly wouldn't want him around at my next BBQ.

Well folks,

I just got back from shipping back my "replacement" Sabatti.

I spoke with Ryan at Cabelas day before yesterday, when I asked him about a full refund he said something like. - "That's something we usually can't done but I'll contact the powers that be and see what can be done." Yesterday he said "I have sant out the appropriate emails and will let you know what I am told" , so I'll have to wait and see what he can do.

If he can't seem to get anything done, I'll call someone at the corporate level... or ask Jorge to pull some strings for me again.


So, it seems to me that Cabelas has great customer service... just so long as you don't have any problems, then it's harder than chicken lips to get anything done.


Thanks again everybody for all the interest, support and advice. I'll post again when I have more news.

Nemo,

That's bullshit. Cabelas owes you a full refund including shipping, they sent you not one, but two, defective firearms.

Don't let them forget what they call their "Legendary Guarantee"

If Ryan doesn't give you satisfaction ask him for either Dick or Jim Cabela's email address or phone number and email or call them. Don't let the underlings get away with it, that's not how Cabela's business was built and I am sure the Cabela brothers will not put up with that nonsense.



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You can buy with confidence, knowing that if you are not satisfied within 90 days of a purchase, we will provide a refund or exchange the item. In addition, Cabela's brand clothing and footwear is guaranteed for the lifetime of the product under normal wear and tear, and against defects in workmanship. And, all other Cabela's brand merchandise is guaranteed for one full year.

We've always believed the measure of our company is the way we treat our customers. So, with every order, we make this promise to you - the best quality, the best value, the best service. Guaranteed.

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quote:

Originally posted by Nemo .450:
malek.
Thanks for the kind words, good shooting and GOD speed to you sir!


Now a "general" report...

I took it out and shot it a few hours ago. At 25 yards -off sticks- the first 2 shots were around, oh, I'd say approx. 6" apart, the left being 2" high.

The next 2 rounds were less than 1" apart horizontaly (if that is how you spell that word), but they were 3 or 4" apart verticly.

The last 2 rounds were "comparable" to the regulation target, but were not as close as they should have been. Considering that I was shooting at 25 yards and off sticks.


Another issue with the rifle I didn't notice till my brother pointed it out before we shot it.


The sight arrangment on the Sabattis is a thin blade with a very course brass bead "atached" to the blade. The brass bead had been bent or knocked about 30 to 45 degrees out of line!

I called Cabelas (Glendale Az.) and spoke with Ryan (the Gun Room Manager) and told him about the whole thing. He allowed that I would be able to send the rifle back for replacement without paying shipping and insurance ($151. and something cents).

He said to call him back on Monday at 3:00 (his time) to get details. So I'll be sending THIS Sabatti back to... that is when I get the info from Ryan at Cabelas.


I declare, I'm getting sick and tired of this...

Happy New Year All.

I'm sure you are very frustrated with this whole mess. Apparently seeing and inspecting these rifles in person is a must do.

While I totally agree these issues should not exist on a new gun the cost to fix these issues is minor. The cost to step up to the next double rifle is 4-5K. Even if you spent a couple hundred bucks to fix a sight and finish inletting a stock you'd be thousands ahead.

Hello Nemo:
Sorry to hear about your delemas and dissapointments. I guess they replaced a lemon wit a lemon. Cabela's is a very reputable company and I belive they will do the right thing either refund you your money in full and that includes the shipping or let you pick up the rifle that you chose and the one they want you to have either way please keep us posted. both of my rifles I bought off the net, but I was able to inspect every little area of these rifles I had them email me close up photos for any part that I thought need to be inspected and they were very helpfull and curtious for the most part except for one fellow, He was not too happy and had a little attitude obviously did not want to do the work but he was polite all the time and ended up dooing what I asked him to do. That happened at many stores till I found what exactely I was looking for.

Good luck and God's speed.

Malek

Hey fellas,


I just got off the phone with Ryan (Gun Library manager-Cabelas Glendale, AZ.

He said he had heard back from the "higher-ups" and got the OK for refunding the money for the rifle only.

I told him I wanted a refund for the (first) shipping fee.

He said a LOT of junk about all THEIR expenses with shipping and repairs, etc...

I said I understood these facts, but I didn't understand why I should be stuck with the (shipping and insurance fee) bill because they sent me a defective firearm!

He him-hawed around saying stuff like "well it's taken an act of congress just to get a refund just for the rifle, and we're just losing money from here." and stuff like "That is something that should have been taken care of at the time. And really, the rifle should have been sent to the distributer (USSG/EAA) in the first place, but that didn't happen..."


So he gave me a DEFINITE NO as to the (first) return shipping fee.

(they did cover second return fee)


He wasn't rude, but it was evident he wasn't happy at all, and it sounded like he was NOT going to any more than he absolutely had to. That is to say, what the people "above" him told him he had to.

So I'm going to call someone at the "corporate" level, and see if I can get the money back from the (first) shipping fee.



Will post again when I have more news.


So get your coke and popcorn while you can, I hope this show will be over soon...

Gee, so much for their "Legendary" guarantee.

Just (literally) got off the phone with Andy Riedlinger, (he's somewhere in the upper crust of Cabelas), and I asked him abou a refund for the shipping and insurance fee.

He said something like- "I can't guarantee that it will happen, but I will do all I can for you. The refund for the rifle I can (and did) guarentee, this I am not sure about. But I'll give it my best swing and see what I can do."


Andy Riedlinger is best person I've dealt with at Cabelas yet. When I first asked him about a refund for the rifle, he didn't even suggest another replacement, he simply said "just tell them to give you your money back". No questions, no hassle, no fuss, he is the kind of person that gives Cabelas its good name.


He said it might be a week or so, but he has my phone numbers, and he said he would give me a call when he knows for sure.

nemo

i am sorry that you are getting such a run around, but at least you got your money for the gun back so now it is just a matter of, letting the fun part start again, there is a double out there with your name on it.

best regards

peter

I have to say that I am terribly disappointed for you and all the crap you've been through.

I am glad they did the right thing, at least with the double rifle, but again disappointed that you had to do a song and dance to get that far. Many, including me, have been down that road more than once and it's not fun.

My own experiences with Cabelas has only been positive. I believe that you should have your shipping charges refunded to you for the reasons you've stated.

Don't give up on your money, Cabelas or Sabattis. OK, the last one may be hard for you to swallow but the first two should be easier. OK, maybe just the first ...

Oh and Nemo,

If I don't sell my Chapuis, I'll lend it to you until you have the funds to buy something to your liking. Anyone who knows me also knows that is not an empty offer.

quote:

Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Oh and Nemo,

If I don't sell my Chapuis, I'll lend it to you until you have the funds to buy something to your liking. Anyone who knows me also knows that is not an empty offer.

doc that is a mighty fine offer, you are a class act.

best

peter

peterdk,

Thanks for the kind words, I' really hope my "Saga of the Sabatti double rifle" is coming to a close.

I honestly hope there is double rifle with my name on it, right now I'm not so sure...


CCMDoc,

I appreciate your condolances, ( ) I to am dissapointed at the way Cabelas handled this... I always thought very highly of them. I still like them, but you have to know who do deal with in order to get anything done. Unless you luck-out with someone ver helpfull in the lower ranks.

I'm getting at least most, if not all my money back. I am not quite bitter toward Cabelas (yet ). Sabatti... I beleive all y'all who say you have good or even great ones. But effectively, I'll only get another Sabatti when I can personaly inspect it my self.

Thank you ever so much for the very, very kind offer, but unless I were going to buy it, I would not feel comfortable useing someone elses' (even a freind ) firearm.

If you don't sell it to someone else, I will contiue to be tempted by it...

Nemo,

Check with Peter about the rifles he builds. I know he has a couple left from the first run that he made that he was keeping for himself to play with but you may be able to talk him out of one.

Andy