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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
my bet would be on the VC searcy rifle is amercian as such it wont hold value as good as a british double rifle also i hope you dont want a rifle over 577 becuase sercy is set up a production shop if you order a gun over 577 say like my 700 nitro he has to stop production make your action and then "YOU"pay for his loss in production by the fact he chrages 80,000 for a 700 nitro now there is absolutly no need to chrge this kind of money for a double rifle he told him self and right from his lips and i quote"id be perfectly happy never aking another rifle over 577 becuase it causes me to lose production and i have to change set ups" well thats fine ill spend my money at a rifle maker that "WANTS" TO BUILD rifles and not charge 80,000 for a base rifle and my first 9 born children.....just becuae aman dosnt wanna take down his "production set up"

butch is a great guy and stands behind his product but your money is better spent on a companys rifles that will hold value and the makers do i learned the hard way with my 700 nitro american guns do not hold value at all i under stand all makers charge extra for there bigger guns but there is a difference between extra and then gouging the living fuck out ya same gose for holland and holland iv seen better guns come out of heym i dont want a fuckin art peice i want a working rifle i can hunt with

and the fact that with 2 doubles rifles of his i had a firing pin break,accidently discharge,rust came on my 500 nitro berrals it came shipped to me in a gun stock no padding,the 700 nitro came with no ejectors(was ordered with them)but because it was supposeldy to hard to make springs to get the shells to eject the action steel was soft and scratched very easy both rifles had to be babyed to prevent marks 500 and 700 nitro and the forarm on my 700 came loose and needed to be sent back for retightening right fromthe start just awsome after speending over 50,000$ and thats is why i wont buy a searcy rifle hes a nice man but i hope the quality of his rifle has improved to warrent the increase in price.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
lol you dont like what i had to say about his rifles so youll attack my punctuation are you fucking 12? keep trolling

searcy makes a great gun im just saying id rather spend "my" money else where as to where you spend yours i dont care.and i got a grand toatle of 30,000 grand wich is a drop 10k in price from what i got it for the people simply kept asking me if it was anything but american once they found out they were like meh and went on to other things it was the hardest rifle i ever tryed to sell i forgot tho this forum comprised mostly of americans wont tolerate any bad comments against a american gun manfucture. its ok i forgive you.


ps heres some commas and periodes in case i forget to put them in the proper place ..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,..,..,

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Originally posted by 460 wby shooter:
Which one would you buy and why?

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Originally posted by subsailor74:
It is actually my rifle, and Butch promised me he would have it available for fondling at SCI.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I own a Merkel. Not an American made gun but a good solid, reliable, gun that I also consider to be attractive, even with the less than artistic animal scenes. The resale value on that gun would be nowhere near what I paid for it. But I don't purchase guns to resell. I purchase them to use, keep, and I'll pass them on to my kids. Point is that being a Non-American vs American gun is really not a valid basis on which to judge resale value. I wonder what the value of a Canadian made double would be? Are there any Canadian double makers? I'm not talking about shotgun conversions!

I will be handing Butch a check to commission a new double rifle when I see him in Vegas. I've been looking at his rifles for awhile. I haven't seen any real "great bargins" on the used market for his guns. They seem to me to be holding their value nicely. That's not to take away from the VC as I plan to commission a new VC before the year ends as well. I like them both. I just think you are wrong on the value of Butch's guns.

It sounds to me like you had him build a gun for which demand is lacking; a 700NE. It is not an issue of who made it so much as it is a statement of machismo in having the largest NE caliber available. Most mere mortals are just not interested in having the biggest and baddest instead of a weapon that has practical value. If you were that concerned with the price you paid for the weapon from Butch, why did you commission the build in the first place?

Concerning the firing pins, you yourself stated that Butch stands behind what he builds and sells. No one can provide an absolute guarantee against breakage from time to time. What one can do is stand behind the product and repair or replace anything that breaks or is defective. If he did so, which you seem to indicate, then what's the problem?

Your punctuation usage, or non-usage, is something that is popular with kids today. I know as my two boys do the same thing. It's trendy so I wouldn't worry so much about that as much as I would about not being able to make your point without vulgarities. It's fine to have a different opinion of things as that is what stimulates debate. But there is really no need to be a jerk about it, don't you agree?

Concerning the preference of VC while slamming Searcy, you wouldn't happen to be "French Canadian" now would you? Just so you know, I like the French guns also as I have a nice little Chapuis.

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Biebs - it is a .500NE.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
But of course...is there any other??? :-)

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I have owned a number of Searcys and more than anything else they shoot little tiny groups..I don't like the term "minute of grapefruit", because I may need to shoot something in the eye and "minute of eye" is where all my Searcys shot. I can't imagine shooting at a charging Lion or buffalo with a gun that shot a grapefruit size group, that does not instill confidence in me.

With all respect I can't imagine packing a 700 N.E. around all day in the hot sun! or being able to mount it in a hurry to shoot something after that trek, the when I pulled the trigger, having to get PH, tracker, and water boy together to pull my thumb out of my nose!! Thats one big muther!! I would love to see an elephant shot in the heart with one and see how many tracks he makes..