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I have been toying with the idea of getting one of the Remington doubles. Now as I have no plan of hunting Africa or dangerous game any time soon (someday though), it's just going to be something to toy around with and take hog hunting, until I can earn my fortune and buy a real double  . I've never been able to handle one in person but I've had a couple of the Baikal SxS 12ga guns and while they won't take any beauty prizes, they're tough workhorses. So are these things worth the money? Thinking of the .45-70 specifically.Also, I have heard of people reaming the single shot break action .45-70s out to 45-90 etc and thought maybe in the future it would be fun for a project. Think this gun would handle it? Also heard of someone converting a .30-06 to .300 H&H and thought that would be a cool project if I got the .30-06 model. I don't know though. Opinions? | ||
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BigfattsThe Remington double rifles are what they are, and if you buy it with that in mind, you may enjoy it for hunting hogs, and deer. The little double is only rated at the trapdoor Springfield pressure levels in 45-70, so one must be carefull what FACTORY ammo one uses in the little rifle. You will likely get a lot of grief when you mention either the Remington double, or in fact, the 45-70 cartridge on a double rifle forum. Most is just wind, but there is some justification for the criticism of this little rifle. If the rifle is something you want to play with, go for it. It will be better than no double rifle at all, and if you capsize your canoe, and loose it, at least you haven't lost the price of your house to the bottom of the river! The price of that thing wouldn't make the down payment on the wood on a real double rifle, so don't expect too much, and just have fun! Good hunting!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Yea, that's pretty much what I figured. It will be a fun toy but it's not going to be a hard working rifle. The most action it will probably ever see is "I don't think that Cypress stump's done yet, hit him again!" Sorry if this ruffles the feathers of the purists but as I said, I still have to earn my fortune to buy a real one. At least this would give me some practice working a double. | |||
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i've got 1 of each... picked up the 45-70 from pueblo sporting goods for right at $1k... got the 30-06 for a pickup truck trade... it's still new, unfired... neither will support a rechamber to anything else, it's too small... thought seriously about rechambering the '06 to 30r blaser, or even bushing it to make a 30/30 fit... cost way more than it's worth... my 45/70 will put all of the left barrel in 1 hole at 25 yds, the right is about a 3" pattern... i shoot 405 gr remington factory.... go big or go home ........ DSC-- Life Member NRA--Life member DRSS--9.3x74 r Chapuis | |||
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Nice to hear from someone that has one. If you were going back to do it over, do you like the .45-70 enough to buy it again? | |||
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Ordered mine in here for $850 plus tax. It was only intended to be a play around, hog-under-the-feeder, or bear-over-bait gun. It is very light, recoils good, and the triggers were terrible, but man is it fun! It is a by-God double rifle tho, and goes "Boom-Boom". Lots of fun to play with. Now that I have everything to reload it with, it will get much more time outside. The target below shows what mine will do so far, at 40 yards with factory ammo. I really think it can be improved and still bring the groups together. Good luck if you decide to try one.  | |||
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Thanx Blank, that looks promising. Now I just need to decide between the .45-70 and .30-06. I like the trim look of the 06 and it would fill all my needs with some 180gr handloads and allow for more practice. On the other hand, the .45-70 would be a hoot. Guess it will come down to which I can get a better deal on. | |||
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prices are coming down from what i paid.... when remington first teased us, 4 yrs ago, they were supposed to be $600...now if you watch GB, they are close to $800...the 45-70 is fun to shoot... low recoil, and the "springfield" load is cheap at $33/box/factory.... i think that you could probably find a cast bullet that would shoot....with the barrels regulated to shoot the 405 grain loads, the 300 jhp's crossed and shot 8-10" high...i put a scope on mine... i used 3 weaver rings, intended for a grooved .22 rifle... so far they've held...and ive got a weaver 1.5-4 on it.... go big or go home ........ DSC-- Life Member NRA--Life member DRSS--9.3x74 r Chapuis | |||
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That sounds great. Thanx for the insight guys. Now I just have to decide what rifle has to go to make room for it. My wife won't let me justify new guns any more unless I get rid of one. I guess twenty-something is too much... | |||
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iirc, they have a 13mm dovetail. Jim, the 3/8 22 rings won't hold up forever, but 3 pellet rifle scope rings might! the CZ 527 uses the same dovetail. I should have mine, 45/70, in 2 or 3 weeks.. about the time i WANT to have my 45/120 bar Huglu ready to pressure test jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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What about sleeving it to 416 Barnes? It would seems to be and upgrade in velocity and peneration. Just thinking out loud. | |||
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From what I hear the action wouldn't hold up. It's basically just their shotgun fitted with rifle bbls. Not really designed with rifle pressures in mind. Could end up like the Handi rifles in .500 S&W opening up with stout loads, or worse. | |||
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I've got one coming in 45/70 for $850/delivered. I debated a long time,but I think it will be a blast for black bear & I've always been a 45/70 fan & have several 45/70 rifles already. I can't wait to try it out & get it tuned in. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson | |||
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flylo - just wondering where you purchased your rifle and what the supply line looks like? Enjoy!! Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Just walked in the door coming back from the range. Today is the first good day to shoot we've had in a while. Shot 40 rds @ 50 meters and re-regulated the bbl to the new load I've developed, ie, 50 gr varget behind 350 gr HJRP,,,32 ft lbs recoil. Lighter loads required the jacking screw to be extended a lot more so the bbls are now straighter, meaning I turned the screw collor back towards the muzzle about 3/4 of a full turn to bring both bbls to point of aim.Got mine at gunbroker.com for $869 about a month ago. | |||
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I emailed the factory to see what level of pressure they would take and they said level 2 which is up a little from the trapdoor. All I can say about it is Imagine a 410 shotgun firing 45-70 loads and you're pretty close. Mine seems to be well made fit and finish but well worth the $. Chamber pressure is rated slightly over 20,ooo but you want to sneak up to that since this gun only weighs 6 lbs, 7 oz and will kick a lot well before you get to 20k PSI. | |||
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if mine shoots minute of grapfruit at 50 with 1500fps rem 405s, i'll be pleased as punch ... that should be reasonble pressure, and about 100 yard gun... works for me, and what mine will be doing... chasing piggies on and off a 4wheeler now, my 45/120 better get them going a bit better than that! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Sorry, I misquoted myself(Double checked myself???)the chamber pressure is rated @31.1k psi which is a hell of a lot!!!When my loads get up to 18k psi it hurts. | |||
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Today on a windy day with no optics and 69 yr old eyes I got about 4 in groups after regulation. | |||
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Not exactly. The guns are marked as proved for 31,900 PSI, which is current European standard. Remington's web site says they're proved for SAAMI standard ammo - 28,000 CUP, and they're right. CUP isn't PSI, and American and European protocols are different anyway. SAAMI 28,000 CUP and CIP 31,900 PSI are the same pressure standard for any practical purpose. These guns aren't for hot loads. | |||
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Just what do we as Remington 45-70, spr 22 rifle owners do to deserve such "grief"? After all this forum has a "double rifle" title and as such would you be willing to recommend another forum more suited? Does "price" enter its ugly head? | |||
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darn it.. i KNOW not to work when i am tired, but i was making such good progress over the last 3 days.. about 20-22 hours of work, ruined due to fatigue trigger lydexia .. 1.051 AINT the same a 1.015 .. though that's what i told the cnc to move the tool.. and, suddendly, a 70% finished paperweight opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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i dont think you will get any grief if you follow these simple rules: 1: you have a good and fun rifle, just dont compare it to a london best gun. 2: the 45/70 is a nice and very useful cartg. but it is NOT a good choise for african DG. so please dont claim that it is. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a good new year peter | |||
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the remmie aint .. it aitn a remmie, its a baikal its not chambered for DGR, but its still a double rifle. two barrels, two riggers, 1 stock, and hopefully one POI... but, its not designed for High pressure loads, a all that being said.. it's a double, and it will kill game. i have one on the way... we'll see from there opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Larry,I got mine from AR forum member Biggestgun at Jones Fort in Ca. I believe Remington has discontinued them,so if you want one I'd get it. Biggestgun is great to deal with. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson | |||
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No sir, they haven't discontinued them ... there are more and more of these making it into the country every month.. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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i told the tool to go 1.015 rather than 1.051,then g83 <parms>, g80, and suddenly, all that work becomes junk... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I've played around with mine now for over a month and just about done with the experiments. The recoil factor I can tolerate is about 32-35ft lbs and found a load to meet that goal,ie; 350 gr HJRN with 50 gr Varget. Might do a little bit better with a mag primer but since I have no interest in hunting, now what do I do?Gun show coming up here in Indy in 2 weeks so guess I will sell it. Still in NIB condition, let somebody else get the thrill (dare I say kick)I've had shooting it. | |||
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Totally agree with you and can't imagine anyone so stupid as to think otherwise. Thx for the reply | |||
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I went to Cabelas today and they told me they Remington discontinued them. They are being imported under another company.. | |||
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skikaar, don't take this as a personal afront, and i am really saying this with a sarcastic joking tone
that other company would be REMINGTON not SPARTAN .. as spartan was a full daughter company... So, if i heard of it in a gunstore, from a guy getting minimum wage, who's probably never seen one, .. and it implies that a multimillion dollar production contract, on the highest demand gun in recent history, from the largest cilivilian gun maker on the planet was going to be "discontinued" i would take it as GOSPEL that this guy had no clue was to what was going on. Seriously, HUGE contract, international law, highest demand rifle, delayed for YEARS to get safety issues worked out, do you REALLY think that the dude at cabellas would have an inside track to just exactly what big green is doing? i bet that's the same guy that said that the 375 can kick hard enough to dislocate your shoulder, cause retina detachment, and will BLOW A DEER 30 FEET BACK .... in other words opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I had one of cabelas employees try to tell me they didnt make blackpowder anymore about a month ago. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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I've had gander mt folks compare the 44 mag to the 458 mag .. telling me they are both magnum rounds, and ONLY .014 apart.. i think the tears from laughing might have told him i just didn't have a clue what i was talking about... then he went back to running down the new remington AR platform... .as "remington makes an okay bolt gun, but they don't know ANYTHING about AUTOMATICS" .. at which point i DID inform him that he didn't have an automatic firearm in the store... he nsarky pointed to a glock or soem such and asked me what kind of REVOLOVER was this, then? like car salesmen telling you about maintainance... and monkeys with football bats opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Good point! I was just stating what he told me.. I want to buy one and we were at Cabelas so I thought I would ask.. | |||
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I just got mine tonight.. so, it's not a searcy .. or even a merkel ... but if it holds together with decent trapdoor loads, it will work just fine... the weight is what I would prefer for this popgun.. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I'm pleasantly suprised with mine. It has very nice wood & the fit & finish is much better than I expected. Can't wait to try it out!  "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Mine is headed to the range... with a BBgun 11MM scope rail and a bushnell sportview 1.5 .. see, its a THEME rifle opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Fill us in on the regulation process and the common point of impact. Rodney. | |||
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I ground down a chunk of metal to create a key to put in the hollow center of the back of the Millet .22 cal 11mm mounts I bought for both my 45-70 and 06. Each have kept zero through at least a hundred rounds each. Both are minute of grapefruit at 100 yds at least; quite deadly at 50 for sure. All the barrels shoot good groups; it seems my left barrels want to regulate a few inches up of my rights. But right barrels shoot right on zero. Shooting factory 405's in bigger gun; shooting Managed recoils in the 06 ( its for the wife). Having a total blast. Now I'm gonna start making some loads for them and really see what I can do. Both shoot better than either of the 2 Chapuis' I have had for what its worth...I know, apples and oranges, but to me, the starting point is: Can the damn thing shoot where I aim? These cheapy Remingtons can. Great cheap fun. Rick DRSS | |||
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