there is a 500 searcy -NON EJECTOR- for sale in the classifieds at $10,000.00

Unfortunately 'Wooly Elephant' became extinct in North America long ago.

heck buy it and use it as a close up derr charging stopping rifle for when those wight tails really get aggresive.....


and besides there is no such thing as need its a you matter you want a particular rifle.

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Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
Unfortunately 'Wooly Elephant' became extinct in North America long ago.

You obviously haven't been to strip bar in Minnesota lately..

i just posted the info in case someone was interested. things get buried in the classifieds quickly, so unless you know it is there you may not look far enough.

anway its a lot of money for a non-ejector rifle in a lesser desirable caliber.

per craig boddington " everybody wants a 470 "

say AMEN to that brothers and sisters !

i prefer 500 my self. if im gonna pay 10,000$ im gonna get the largest gun i can get for that money.....more bang for your buck if you will.....

For $10,500 you can get that gun brand new from Butch. It would also be built to fit you. Of course you have a year's wait (or more) and it wouldn't have the custom metal work (sic) that this one does.

quote:

Originally posted by Fjold:
For $10,500 you can get that gun brand new from Butch. It would also be built to fit you. Of course you have a year's wait (or more) and it wouldn't have the custom metal work (sic) that this one does.

Fjold

What is different about the metal work? Looks typical Searcy to me.

I'd also rather have a 500 than a 470, with everything else being equal.

nope, and I ain't going to any there either!!
Besides, CraigB spent twenty years in the marines...who's going to take that brain dead geek's word on anything? He makes Sam Fadala look good some days.

I'd have that 500 in a heartbeat if I could convince momma...

Rich
DRSS

rich it would be a mistake.
question :if the 500 is so desirable why isn't it snapped up.

answer : it IS NOT SO DESIRABLE.

but those who love it would never admit that

for me, i'd rather have a 450 straight, despite what "any money can buy craig "says

Took Buzz Charlton to dinner at the Dallas Safari Club show and asked him, assuming someone can shoot all the big bores from the .375 to the .500 well, which would you prefer to see them show up with to hunt elephant?

His answer: the .500 Nitro Express. In his view the difference in effect given the 570 grain bullet is material. Couple a bullet that is 14% heavier than a .470 or .458, with a bullet that is 6% larger in diameter than a .470 and 9% larger in diameter than a .458, and that sounds right to me.

MIKE, a far better choice than the old 500 is the 577

it is big medicine for elephants .

sadly , the price of a searcy 577 is now $20,000

and that is for extractors.

life is tough for us old elephant hunters

I had assumed in asking the question of Buzz that the number of folks who could shoot the .577 "well", after toting the gun to the well and back, well that number would be pretty small.

As to the ejector versus extractor issue, John "Pondoro" Taylor wrote:

"With every ejector double rifle that I have had in the past, I have had to remove the ejector springs and use it as a non-ejector because of that click as the breech is broken . . . For elephants I very much prefer a non-ejector, though admittedly there are occasions when ejectors are an asset. Still, in my experience, such occasions are mighty few and far between and are far more than offset by the vastly greater number of occasions when they are an infernal nuisance. Accordingly, being a very poor man, I have my doubles built as non-ejectors . . . "

I'm not sure how anyone could argue bigger is not better, assuming one could cope with the recoil.

Ejectors would be better, and no worse than extractors, but in the current hunting world where only one elephant is shot at any sitting, and at most two rounds will expended before the elephant dies, runs off, or the PH joins the fray, whether the rifle has ejectors or not is probably irrelevant.

Pardon me for inserting myself into this discussion, but Buzz Charlton's DVD and Ian Nyschen's book (Months of the Sun) both recommend the .500 NE for elephant in preference to the .470 or .450 bores. Generally a .470 is easier to resell, but if you are serious about elephant the .500 seems to be the maximum in power that normal humans can both carry all day and shoot accurately. If a guy can do the same with a .577, then kudos to him.

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Originally posted by Will:
I'm not sure how anyone could argue bigger is not better, assuming one could cope with the recoil.

Ejectors would be better, and no worse than extractors, but in the current hunting world where only one elephant is shot at any sitting, and at most two rounds will expended before the elephant dies, runs off, or the PH joins the fray, whether the rifle has ejectors or not is probably irrelevant.

Will

An ejector rifle is more valuable but not as practicle. It is much stiffer to open and the shells flying out can be a a distraction.

How many times have you seen hunters searching for brass rather than paying attention to an animal.

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Originally posted by Mickey1:

quote:

Originally posted by Will:
I'm not sure how anyone could argue bigger is not better, assuming one could cope with the recoil.

Ejectors would be better, and no worse than extractors, but in the current hunting world where only one elephant is shot at any sitting, and at most two rounds will expended before the elephant dies, runs off, or the PH joins the fray, whether the rifle has ejectors or not is probably irrelevant.

Will

An ejector rifle is more valuable but not as practicle. It is much stiffer to open and the shells flying out can be a a distraction.

How many times have you seen hunters searching for brass rather than paying attention to an animal.

Oh, wise one, I could not agree more.

They're stiff to begin with in order to cock the hammers and ejectors just add to it.

I have a 500 Searcy with ejectors and will sell it you for $10 500-00 , I am the one in the forum who made the mistake to point out a few problems with this manufacturer and unleashed a barrarge of condemnation - but since I have purchased a .500 Blazer at the Reno show after considering all the makes available , i am offering the Searcy for sale on this site and lets see how many of my critics rush to purchase the gun they claim to be so wonderfull - my advice to you stay away from this maker - go with reliability , safety , dependability and most important after sales back up.
All the best
Graeme Pollock

ah, the whiner shows up at last! According to you that rifle can't be worth more than $5000, and unsafe to boot. Wouldn't you be risking a mega-million dollar wrongful death lawsuit by selling it as anything more than a medium weight doorstop? I don't think anybody is going to buy anything from you on this website very soon.

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
I have a 500 Searcy with ejectors and will sell it you for $10 500-00 , I am the one in the forum who made the mistake to point out a few problems with this manufacturer and unleashed a barrarge of condemnation - but since I have purchased a .500 Blazer at the Reno show after considering all the makes available , i am offering the Searcy for sale on this site and lets see how many of my critics rush to purchase the gun they claim to be so wonderfull - my advice to you stay away from this maker - go with reliability , safety , dependability and most important after sales back up.
All the best
Graeme Pollock

Botswana Bound, I’ve no dog in this fight, but I find your attitude on this matter to be somewhat of a Paradox! I would like you to tell me how Searcy is to mend your rifle, unless you get the rifle to him. I’m sure you realize he is under no obligation to fly to Africa to work on your rifle, sense he sold it in the USA, and he lives in the USA, and his shop is in the USA, and you bought it second hand in Africa.

All that aside, the rifle may well be defective, and be under the maker’s warranty, but I fail to understand your position on this matter, when you refuse to get the rifle to Butch so he can fix your problem. NOW! If you sell the rifle to someone in the USA, you realize you will have to send the rifle here, or will you simply request the buyer to come to Africa to get the rifle? That would make just about as much sense as expecting Searcy to come to Africa to work on your rifle.

Sir, I may well be out of line here, but from all your comments on this web-site, plus the folks from Africa I’ve talked to in person, about this rifle of yours,and Searcy himself, I think you need to make more of an effort to get your rifle fixed, HERE, or live with a broken rifle! There is some question as to what caused the rifle to malfunction , in the first place, after you took posession of it! That cause is still in the wind, so to speak!

Bad mouthing the maker for not fixing your rifle, when you are not willing to ship him the rifle is, in few words, the action of a stubborn fool, IMO! I certainly hope nothing goes wrong with your Blazer, that requires sending it to Germany for warranty repair! I don't think the Germans will be coming to Africa to work on your Blazer either!

I've known Butch for many years, and I'm not aware of even one instance of his failing the hounor his warranty, when something went wrong with one of his rifles, as long as he could get the rifle to work on! I would think with $10,000 US invested, the owner would make more effort to get the rifle to Searcy for FREE adjustment under warranty. That doesn't seem to be the case with you, however. I'm beginning to wonder if you have not regestered that rifle in Africa, and that may be the reason you are so reluctant to send it to Searcy! Just a thought! Maybe a letter to the authorities, in Africa on this rifle would solve a lot of this!
.......................Good day Sir! BYE

Graeme,

Have you ever used factory ammo in the .500 to rule out ammo as the problem?

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Graeme,

Have you ever used factory ammo in the .500 to rule out ammo as the problem?

I doubt it, Dan. That would require this person to make an effort. His posts have shown that when it come to this gun, every bit of effort is too much.

As I recall, the issue with the BB Searcy was caused by the use of brass that was not properly trimmed to length. That's like putting diesel fuel in your gasoline car's takn and blaming the car manufacturer.

Despite the fact that the issues with the rifle were self inflicted, Butch offered to repair the rifle for nothing. All BB needed to do was to get it in Butch's hands.

I guess it is easier to eat a $10,000 loss and bitch about it than it is to complete the paperwork and ship the rifle back.

As for selling a dangerous game rifle with known issues that just might get someone trampled, gored, stomped or chewed, well, let's just say that action says a lot about a person.

Hey, you guy's are messing up my negotiation angle here. See if he actually sent it back and got it fixed he wouldn't take my offer below seriously .

Since the Searcy is defective I'll gladly give you $1,000 for it and pay the shipping to the US.

So do we have a deal? I mean the rifle is no good right? So $1,000 for a "parts gun" seems a fair offer.

Bill

i would buy the rifle but i just bought a brand new 505 gibbs so im out.


the brass bb is using is hds brass. the rims were to thick and needed to be filed down(bullet side) about .007-008" the primers were .004-.005 recced and i tryed all rounds for fit in the rifle prior to leaving north america.

after i shot my elephant i put a pop can in a tree 30 yards out loaded 1 shell snaped the rifle up and blew a hole dead center right in the middle of the pop can.....the rifle is damn accurate more than needed for the particular job in wich it was intended.



i offered to come on another safarie....and i would bring the rifle back with me have it repaired....and then ship it back havnt herd anything back.........


i was treated very well by grame and his people so im not going to rant. but come on now theres always ways of getting a gun back and forth even if you had to ship the rifle in 2 or more peices to by pass paper work.

i left you the action........then when i got home mailed you the barrels.......how hard was that.......


iv talked to about 30+ phs so far that use searcy doubles and they absolutly love them.....

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
i would buy the rifle but i just bought a brand new 505 gibbs so im out.

Wait a minute, I thought you sold it to him.

i sold him a 500 nitro double the rifle hes complaining about was mine.....but was working perfectly for me.

can somebody smarter than me explain this? The rifle, according to gram-cracker, is an unadulterated, unsafe, non-functional POS! Oh, that was last post. Now it's worth more than an equivalent new one in the box...? Plus getting it here to the US...? What did I miss? Oh, wait a minute! I know!! I know!! Now he's trying to sell it!! Now it's valuable again!! Silly me! Economics 101 at work here.
Does anybody know what our boy paid for this rifle? It worked when he got it, now it doesn't, what's it worth?

My brains hurts teacher, can I go lay down for awhile...?

Rich
DRSS
Searcy fan

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
MIKE, a far better choice than the old 500 is the 577

it is big medicine for elephants .

sadly , the price of a searcy 577 is now $20,000

and that is for extractors.

life is tough for us old elephant hunters

Tomo577,

Just out of curiousity, how many elephant have you shot?

I presume from your post that some have been with a 577NE, but did you use other calibers as well?

You've probably posted this previously, but if so, I must have missed it.

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Originally posted by ErikD:

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
MIKE, a far better choice than the old 500 is the 577

it is big medicine for elephants .

sadly , the price of a searcy 577 is now $20,000

and that is for extractors.

life is tough for us old elephant hunters

Tomo577,

Just out of curiousity, how many elephant have you shot?

I presume from your post that some have been with a 577NE, but did you use other calibers as well?

You've probably posted this previously, but if so, I must have missed it.

I'm curious also.

Tomo, are you an old elephant hunter or do you only hunt old elephants?

im gonna say a bit of both......

IT'S BOTH !

i'm 63
i got my first elephant with an ear shot by my army & navy 450 straight. he was dead before he hit the ground. big body and 6' tusks - 55 & 57.5 #

i used the 577 on buffalo - no contest. it rolls them. as it should.

went on my the second hunt with the 577. first hunter of the season in zim. got all the way to the hunting camp and they didn't have the permit due to some government ministers wife wanting the concession already leased to the ph. so it got tangled up in court for the entire time of my hunt.
shot a super big leopard, lots of plains game but they never could get the permit sorted out in 21 days.
so i had to leave empty handed but with plans to return.

then i became disabled and can't stalk anymore. so i guess my elephant hunting days are past unless i become a waterhole hunter.

but there is no question the 577 is better medicine for elephant than the old 500. that went out with j a hunter years ago.

mickey

i keep meaning to ask you=

what language is that phrase in you handle

lovu zadar

and what does it mean ?

some kinda strange ?

Lovu Zadar, isn't that igpay atinlay?

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
mickey

i keep meaning to ask you=

what language is that phrase in you handle

lovu zadar

and what does it mean ?

some kinda strange ?

Luvu Zdar means Hunters Luck in Czech.

Similiar to Weidsmanshiel

I see no takers from the crew who believe the gun is sooo good.
As to selling a flawed gun - according to the crew the gun is a fine one and I am wrong, I can gaurentee you one thing any problems with a Blaser will be dealt with a whole lot better than the Searcy.
Two answers to some of the posts
The clown who thinks the gun is not registered in " south africa " - I live in Botswana and the gun is registered there - thats the other country above South Africa , just to help you with some geography - and help you send your enquiry to the authorities to the right country
The second comment is to the level headed and reasonable folks who seem to have understood the problem - which was not just about not being able to send it to the USA its the way the matter was dealt with ( called after sale service), as an example long after the complaint I was sent a list of questions to trouble shoot - this could have been done in the begining and saved us all the trouble. But this is entertaining at least.
All the best and good hunting
Graeme Pollock

Graeme,
You just wont let this one go will you. I am glad you love your Blaser. Why you keep blaming this on Butch is beyoud me. IMO you are doing you and your business harm by insisting that Butch owes you anything beyond what has already been offered. What are you trying to get out of this continued attack?

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana I can gaurentee you one thing any problems with a Blaser will be dealt with a whole lot better than the Searcy.

In either case you must deliver the gun to the manufacturer. Have you tried to send the rifle back to Searcy yet?

quote:

...
its the way the matter was dealt with ( called after sale service), as an example long after the complaint I was sent a list of questions to trouble shoot -

Did you do the trouble shooting yet?

Did you shoot factory ammo in the gun to see if the reloads are part/all of the problem?

Is there a local gunsmith who can look at the gun and ammo for you to try to help with the diagnosis?

Dan,
That would make too much sense...he is waiting for Butch to fly over to Botswanna and fix the rifle for him....Graeme continues to make himself look like an idiot! My guess is that next season he will be crying because his Blaser barrels came unglued and we will see the same thing all over again!

Graeme states that he bought a Blaser at the Reno show. He was in the US (For the geographically challenged, Reno is in the State of Nevada which is one of the 50 United States). Nevada is right next to California. Searcy is located in California. Searcy was also at the show in Reno. No opportunity there I guess.

We also hear about after sale service, but the rifle was not sold by Searcy.

As far as the original "complaint", that appears to have been a verbal communication at a show here in the US (again, another opportunity lost) while Searcy was selling rifles.

As far as the cause of the problem, the issue seems to be self inflicted. Also, while the receiver stayed in Africa, the barrels were brought back to Canada and then shipped from Canada back to Africa. I suppose it is not possible that something happened to the barrels in their 20,000 mile round trip.

Nope, has to be Searcy's fault.

Good luck dealing with Blaser. I am sure they will hop on an airplane to deal with any issue you have in Botswana. I would not be surprised if they were building a service center there as we speak.

By the way, are you sure it is "Botswana" and not "Bots whine a"?