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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
My contributions enable discussion to take place.

For folks like you, TC1, krochass, my intent is to provoke discussion, or whatever BS you care to contribute.

For others, like dago red, enliven discussion.

KB

Your intent was to stir up more shit. You aren't fooling anybody. You're a TROLL.

I'll be here for ya, Terry.

KB

As I knew. Reading sign isn't difficult and Kamblewme and her cunny licking friend Stillbeebitch are prime examples of a wad their mothers should have swallowed.

Amazing how retards flock together and wear the 'I can't do it' badge of honor. I'm certain their is much she can't to and to watch her continually cry about it only adds to the humor.

Ketch-um-if-you-kan,

I'm wondering - as a boy did they call you pottymouth, or is that a name you earned as an adult?

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I'll be here for ya, Terry.

KB

I know you will. Trolling every thread that you don't like the content of. It seems to be all you're really capable of. That's the shame of it all. Normal people that don't agree with something simply state they disagree and leave it to the people that are interested in the subject at hand. But hell no, you have to relentlessly troll these threads and make it impossible to discuss anything without having to correct everything you've twisted. You seem to thrive on this bullshit.

Well brother KB, you win. Enjoy it, it's all yours. I'd rather spend my time doing something I enjoy.

Terry

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Originally posted by Ketchikan:
examples of a wad their mothers should have swallowed.

all right, since I didn't read the whole thread, I seldom do when they're this long, I have no idea all the shit that's gone between people, so don't take this to mean I agree or disagree I have no opinion about who it was directed to...

that said, that's frickin' funny! I've got a quite a head full of little sayings and that is not one I'd heard, and I look forward to working it into conversation with my uncle who is full of them and likely hasn't heard this one either.

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Originally posted by TC1:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I'll be here for ya, Terry.

KB

I know you will. Trolling every thread that you don't like the content of. It seems to be all you're really capable of. That's the shame of it all. Normal people that don't agree with something simply state they disagree and leave it to the people that are interested in the subject at hand. But hell no, you have to relentlessly troll these threads and make it impossible to discuss anything without having to correct everything you've twisted. You seem to thrive on this bullshit.

Well brother KB, you win. Enjoy it, it's all yours. I'd rather spend my time doing something I enjoy.
Terry

Terry, you are so full of yourself. This "trolling every thread", "that's the shame", "impossible to discuss", "correct everything" accusations are pure TC1 charlatan style garbage.

Your claim that this thread and some of my responses and posts re 223 for deer could arguably be considered trolling. That's one thing, but your last post is digression.

KB

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Originally posted by Dago Red:

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Originally posted by Ketchikan:
examples of a wad their mothers should have swallowed.

I've got a quite a head full of little sayings and that is not one I'd heard, and my uncle who is full of them and likely hasn't heard this one either.

IMO, practically anyone should consider himself lucky, living right, or fortunate having a better class of people to associate with, if you read new-to-you sayings from ketchup, and think it's funny.

KB

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Originally posted by Ketchikan:
As I knew. Reading sign isn't difficult and Kamblewme and her cunny licking friend Stillbeebitch are prime examples of a wad their mothers should have swallowed.

Amazing how retards flock together and wear the 'I can't do it' badge of honor. I'm certain their is much she can't to and to watch her continually cry about it only adds to the humor.

Ketchikan, Ye olde English Teacher!!!!

As a man of few words,............... those words speak volumes!!!!!!

Carry on

Just as is said about the company one keeps, and shared view of acceptable language. It says volumes about a view into similar minds.

Very queer. Like looking at the bottom of a septic tank, when the lid is removed, studying the detail of what's in there, residual, isn't something most folks want to know.

Shameful, pitiful and pathetic.

KB

Dago Red--If I came across as insulting and attacking you I apologize--that wasn't my intent. You were very honest in your posts. You stated no experience and in my view you posted some fallacies. "Great shooter--deer moves--twig in way--breathe wrong-countless Murphy's. I want larger error of margin for myself" That is where I got it that you implied a larger cal will compensate( Which it doesn't). Your second post you say Well placed shot with .223 has potential to fail. Read all this thread and several others like it-same subject--and not one person has stepped up to the plate and described a well placed shot that failed. Other side numerous folks have posted successful shots. You mention this is all opinion and intelligence doesn't require experience. Very true all opinion. Whose opinion are you going to give the most weight--someone that's been there done that or someone that hasn't? For example I am interested in getting a recumbent trike, don't even know if I'd like one--never ridden one. Do I seek opinions from those that have or those like me that have never ridden one? Hope this doesn't come across as apology and then attack again--just trying to clarify my comments.

Had coffee with a friend today. He has small place and let his pastor hunt on it. He got 3 doe and a buck this season. All one shot. Used a single shot .223.

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I am interested in getting a recumbent trike

News to me. This is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CIY9lPIsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfwb8RBZnmI

The two videos of rcumbent trikes had one of each style. If you have one wheel in front it is called a delta and if two wheels in front it's called tadpole. I THINK I'm more interested in a tadpole. Having never ridden one dont know. Guy I knew from high school--haven't seen him in years--recent internet contact--tours on the things. He went from New Mexico to Georgia.

Intuition says tadpole is better. Reason is related to the old 3-wheelers here in Alaska. Lots of injuries because the one wheel up front is not stable.

A guy would really have to pay attention riding one of those tadpoles. Looks like a really good way to meet your end, mashed by a car.

I can sorta see possibilities for unpaved roads or trails with the right tires, gear ratio, etc. Maybe an alternative to the noisy 4-wheelers in the right places. Maybe a good way to haul back all the deer shot with your 223.

KB

WOW, cant believe this is still going--Took a
break and took my son hunting for a few days, did not get to use the old 222 but wish i would have. This will go on forever and the people like me who does on occasion use a 223 for deer
will keep being un-ethical and getting results from well placed shots at moderate ranges using well constructed bullets. My use of a 223 started with my sons ball team, several of the kids had never shot a gun much less killed a deer, I worked with them on a H&R single shot and was amazed at how well they took to it, I watched these same boys all make one shot kills on deer from small does to big ones with the same results i was getting with a 308 and no fear of devoloping a flinch in a child. Would it have mattered if one pulled a shot and wounded one where it wasnt recovered--yes But the lesson was worth the risk.

Yea, up to page 7. For more examples of Kablowhard's posts and ethics see:

Kablowhards Ethics

Yes, and I found out real quick who the lurkers are.

If I fell down, I found out who would extend a helping hand to get back up, and who would push my face into a cow paddy, and otherwise amuse themselves over another's misfortunate prediciments? IMO, Grumulkin is on top of the latter heap, even perhaps making teancum look like a nice guy.

TC1 whined about a shame that we can't have real discussion. This is an example of the root of that.

Gruntkin, I suppose you have no ethical quandarys. I wonder why?

I think about ethics quite a bit, especially lately, and especially my own. Does that make me unethical, and thus unqualified to make posts presenting ethical questions? Apparantly you think so.

I think the ones who don't have ethical questions are the ones whose ethics are in question. Which leads us back to the 223 for deer question. It appears to me that those using it for deer have often rationalized its use, or justified it, perhaps by respecting its limits, perhaps not. Others just don't care, or believe it is more capable than reason would suggest.

Gruntkin, post some of your experiences and opinions about the use of the 223 on deer, and let's have a friendly debate. Whaddya say?

Contribute to the topic?

Or perhaps you would rather just lurk, avoid the debate on topic, and merely engage in defamation?

KB

Kablewey--I sure don't get this. You are correctly called a troll and your ethics questioned and you take offense?? You make numerous posts in this section and have the idiotic signature line. If you have made any posts about small cal that show you use them I missed it. So what is your agenda? Do you really think you are going to convert the world? If you made valid claims people wouldn't argue with you. I don't like .300 mags. My OPINION is if you need a bigger gun than a 30-06 you need a bigger cal--not a faster .30. I also "think" many magnum guys do believe they can hit em anywhere--thus try questionable shots. I also think the sometimes 50% more powder they use just isn't worth the recoil. I have other negative ideas about them. You bragged about shooting a deer end to end. I think that should be criminal. Hell a stick of dynamite would kill them too. Does this mean I should come up with some idiotic signature line about them and go to their section and bad mouth them? That would be trolling and not ethical. The signature line would confirm it. What would be the purpose? Sales of .300 show many disagree with me. Am I going to convert them? That is just one example. I had a bad experience with a cast bullet--am I going to troll that section and bad mouth them? Your signature line doesnt bother me--it just loudly announces that you are a troll. I really don't mind debating with you--if you really had valid arguments it might be a challenge and difficult to do. I find it simple.

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I really don't mind debating with you--if you really had valid arguments it might be a challenge and difficult to do. I find it simple.

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You bragged about shooting a deer end to end. I think that should be criminal.

Do you not know the difference in reporting the facts and bragging? I'm going to use my 458WM for hog hunting soon, so does that also make me unethical? I think it's unethical to quote someone, and leave out enough of the facts to confuse the issue, into something not origionally intended. You did that intentionally - no excuses.

CM, I really don't have time to argue with you now. I'm busy. So, please excuse any typos.

My point is to get an issue up for debate, which can't really be done face to face, because many of the 223 guys would just punch the opposition in the face, and settle the matter that way.

Looks like over 40% of those voting agree with me that the users of 223 for deer may be unethical. The percentage is higher for unqualified use of the 223 for deer. Also, there are several states that have laws against it, with good reason, IMO.

You'll never get it - that it's the rationalizations which you are so good at, which makes the 223 questionable. It's not the cartridge or rifle itself, but many of the users who are the ones who bring the ethical users down, and cause the precieved need for laws preventing it in the first place.

Consider yourself a contributor - to the problem.

KB

KB--Over 40% agree with you and over 40% have no experience like yourself to draw from. Consider myself a contributor to the problem?? What problem? If we had people posting actual negative experiences there might be a perceived problem. To the contrary--we have numerous folks been there done that --no problem. Then we have those like you--don't really have a clue--but perceive a problem. Bottom line you are a troll---do you think you are so brilliant you are going to convert anyone? You come in with the flashing idiot sign on your head (signature line) and think people going to put stock in anything you have to say. Troll away.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
KB--Over 40% agree with you and over 40% have no experience like yourself to draw from. Consider myself a contributor to the problem?? What problem? If we had people posting actual negative experiences there might be a perceived problem. To the contrary--we have numerous folks been there done that --no problem. Then we have those like you--don't really have a clue--but perceive a problem. Bottom line you are a troll---do you think you are so brilliant you are going to convert anyone? You come in with the flashing idiot sign on your head (signature line) and think people going to put stock in anything you have to say. Troll away.

Raymond watch that blood pressure, you'll blow!

CM, you and others are like members of a cult, whose predictions (and proclamed personal experience) don't come true, or just aren't true. And when it doesn't happen, it's merely dismissed, and the belief continues, unabated, unquestioned, and sometimes intensified, and thus justified. It just is.

Just as true believers don't acknowledge exceptions to their belief, that accounts for the mysterious absence of failures of the 223, and its astonishing effectivness - in the hands of true believers.

Welcome to human nature - as an active participant, in full display.

KB

KB--There is a whole bunch of fmj ammo in .223. There are also a whole bunch of people out there that don't know not to use fmj ammo for hunting. No doubt there would be lots of unreported bad results. But, same same with lets say a 30-06. I think it would be a real true idiot that puts down a 30-06. But the issue is not can using a .223 be screwed up and get bad results? Any round could be. The question is can it be made to work? Yes it does. You say what I say not true? Would that be you calling me a liar? If so this goes to a whole new level.

It would be like calling a cult member a liar, a rather pointless exercise in futility. Like most sensable people, I would rather not go there, except to point out the analogy and similarities.

In the true sense of the word, a liar is one who actually knows the truth, but chooses to say something contrary. For the most part, I really don't think that is what's happening here. Again - look at human nature. That is part of why this is difficult to get to the bottom of. As in any challange of a belief, people get defensive, and that's where the real discussion shuts down.

Perhaps it's best said that most people tell the truth as they know or believe it, including you and me. I can't think of an exception to that here.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:


My point is to get an issue up for debate, which can't really be done face to face, because many of the 223 guys would just punch the opposition in the face, and settle the matter that way.

Consider yourself a contributor - to the problem.

KB

Those two statements show quite clearly that you have no intent to have a rational debate & at the same time demonstrate your eagerness to make ad hominem attacks on those who see you for what you are.
It is a truism in psychology that those who predict violent responses from others towards their views are themselves the ones more likely to use violence.

When we lived in Ok, my wife worked with disturbed kids in a private school. As the tuition was quite high, you wanted to avoid telling a parent that their kid was a dirty, little liar. So my wife coined the phrase: "your child tends to restructure reality to suit his needs of the moment".

Perhaps we are all guilty of that now and then.

ScottfromDallas hasn't posted results of his hunt??? Where are you?

Apparantly he's busy restructuring reality.

KB

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CM, you and others are like members of a cult, whose predictions (and proclamed personal experience) don't come true, or just aren't true. And when it doesn't happen, it's merely dismissed, and the belief continues, unabated, unquestioned, and sometimes intensified, and thus justified. It just is.

Just as true believers don't acknowledge exceptions to their belief, that accounts for the mysterious absence of failures of the 223, and its astonishing effectivness - in the hands of true believers.

Welcome to human nature - as an active participant, in full display.

KB

Well said KB, you just gave the perfect example
of religion while calling people liars---AMAZING.

Well, PARA, where do you stand on the issue of a 223 is for deer hunting. I can't tell from your post? Are you a member of the cult of true believer? Most people have to believe in something, so it might as well be a 223 as a deer rifle.

Truth is that I've been trying mighty hard to maintain respect for other's opinions, but it's becoming more difficult all the time, with the personal attacks and as I realize what I'm dealing with. Do you have much respect for moonies, or those people who drank the poison koolaid, or the guys who thought the comet was coming for them?

I'll maintain my respect, for the sake of dignity, and because most people here share a mutual interest in the shooting sports and hunting, etc.

Personal attacks, diversions from the topic is another matter.

KB

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Truth is that I've been trying mighty hard to maintain respect for other's opinions, but it's becoming more difficult all the time,

KB--Who is this Grimace Gridlock Gridley you are quoting? I found one that was a homosexual that went to prison for 60 years for sodomizing little boys and sheep, but I found no connection of him to the .223.

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Originally posted by Krochus:


If you waste your time a talkin' to the people who don't listen

That's my point. At least I'm trying even though I'm dealing with sorts that don't give a damn of other's opinions, at all.

Over 40% are listening, and agree about the unethical part. Each post that is a personal attack tells a story, about the poster, and the class of person(s) who are 223 advocates, or merely lurkers. It speaks volumes about the demographics of the hard core. Whose listening? Lots.

Laws, helping goobers make choices, since the beginnings of civilization.

KB

Like previously mentioned the victim bit really doesn't become you.

The way I read your poll is a majority agree that to some extent or another 223 is fine for deer compared to the minority for your side of the argument.

Methinks your brilliant idea for this thread didn't turn out quite as you planned.

I'm pretty sure I speak for EVERYONE who posted on the past two pages as to how much we care about your opinion with the above GIF

Posted via iPhone

Not read the replies, but ethical? Not.

For me, I'd want a 221 Fireball or 222 w/50-52 gr, head/neck at close to modest range

A Barnes will do in a 556 as would a 63 PP or a Partition, me - I'd use a 75 Amax in a Fast Twist, thru lungs.

I'm just glad I keep company with all these ethical people! Quite a few of you must be politicians?

The perfect kind of deer for a .22 caliber rifle!

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:


At least I'm trying......
KB

Yes, very.