.338 WM in the cartridge category and ANY rifle made by Weatherby in the firearms category. No sense in either of em.

Anything with tacticool as part of the name or description. That goes for guns, clothes, boots, knives, compasses, maps, tents, toilet paper, etc. I'm sure you get the idea.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
Anything with tacticool as part of the name or description. That goes for guns, clothes, boots, knives, compasses, maps, tents, toilet paper, etc. I'm sure you get the idea.

I'm with that and add to it anything that uses "Extreme" in its title or logo just irks me.

Snellstrom--Don't like extreme in the title. Me neither heck I'm not ex treme--I'm still die hard treme.

i guess i should "thank" several of you for contributing to the HCI poll "oh what guns even the gunrights guys think don't make any sense." great ideas to put into writing. NOT

I have no need for anything that started out as an -06 unless it is in a Garand!

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
7mm Rem Mag has never tickled my fancy in the least. I know you read the numbers and they are a fine rifle cartridge but I never have warmed up to them and I think its just the hype associated with the cartridge. Never understood why someone would get a 7 mag and buy 175 grain ammo for it and think they are a flat shooting machine when in fact you compare that to a factory 180 grain 30/06 load and you basically have the same thing. I've heard of more game wounded with a 7 mag than any other cartridge ever. I know the round is capable but I think the problem is a lot of guys that buy a 7 mag think the "mag" part will cure all there problems putting game on the ground and the hype only magnifies the problem.

7mm Mag wins the "guns that don't make sense" award hands down in my book, it is a cure to the problem that never existed.

It's not a 30-06, and it's not at its best with 175 grain bullets. I don't see the point of the 115-grain bullets either, lots of speed but not so good in the wind. Load it with 140-grain bullets and the point-blank range is excellent with decent energy.

How about the 8mm Remington Magnum in a rather unusual little niche since on one side the .300 Magnums have it beat with lighter bullets at high velocity and then the .338/340/358 have it beat with heavier bullets. Ditto the .325 wsm.

For North American big game hunting, we could have stopped with the 30-40 Krag cartridge and not missed much.

Bruce

A lot of what I think was said and a few things I disagree with, lots of the stuff out there I don't have a desire for or see a need for in what I feel like doing, but the top of the list that just don't make sense to me (and ones that don't make sense as to why not more popular)

25-06, I agree the 257 roberts is a fantastic round and was there first
300 win mag (I do see a niche for 30 mags) when the 308 norma was already around and is equally good
Why did the 35's never catch on better? The 358 norma you hardly ever see, the whelen is more common but some factory rifles actually put a 22" barrel on it, waste IMO.

as far as AI cartridges go, they are often more efficient, and do allow a bit better performance. that said, for my laziness and limited time if I didn't already have rifles improved (35 whelen AI, which I'm constantly thinking of blowing out to 358 norma) I wouldn't do it, the extra work involved is irritating sometimes.

I also don't understand the obsession with super short anythings. how many inches and oz's are we talking about shaving?

I have a love for 35's for some reason, I think I'm going to at some point get another good springfield and match my 308 norma with a 358 norma, and then maybe build a real big 358, maybe my own wildcat and call it the 358 Viagra. Also I love the keith idea of heavy for caliber bullets, I'm not a velocity nut.

I thought the whole point of the 7mm mag was to use heavy bullets, and guys couldn't handle it so loaded them down. I agree it isn't big medicine like so many think it is.

I am intrigued by the 8mm mag.

The one thing I love about all of them is that they are variety, everybody has different tastes and sometimes things just "strike us". just like hotrods/cars, some people like studebakers, I haven't seen a single one I wouldn't just as happily see crushed and recycled into steel urinals. And then you take the anglia, I see a certain attractiveness in it. some people like julia roberts, and while I enjoy her acting I think she's ugly.

And remember, if there were no "new different" cartridges we wouldn't know just how good our old reliable ones are.

And isn't the 375 Ruger just a 375 Newton?

Ugly firearms, make no sense.
SMLE, Mosin Nagants, MAS, Savage (excepting the lever actions), care to add your candidates?

Jim

I really don't like anything with a muzzle brake on it. At the range, it's like having your ears cleaned out with an ice pick. Practice, with a PAST recoil pad, and/or a well fitted stock would allow a lot of folks to learn to tolerate the recoil of their chosen caliber. I don't know about you, but I really don't notice the recoil in the field, shooting at game.

I own over 50 rifles in .20 and .17, killers one and all

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Originally posted by doubledown:
Okay .17 caliber anything is a joke. And people who shoot the 22-250... do they still believe the .220 swift is a barrel burner or are they just scared of it. The Swift rules! Also .458 win mag owners are in denial its a wanna-be cartridge a puffed up 45-70

The question begs to be asked, What would anyone do with FIFTY (50) rifles in 17 and 20 calibre??????
Are you arming a group of small people or what?

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
Seriously, if Savage quit making rifles and the 308 became extinct, the world would be a better place.

Savage. . . ? That's how you say it. . ? Savage. . . ?

Crap, and I've been calling them "Salvage" all these years!

But, I'm right there with ya!

Sub-caliber fanatic!

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
The question begs to be asked, What would anyone do with FIFTY (50) rifles in 17 and 20 calibre??????
Are you arming a group of small people or what?

They all make sense to me..in fact, I hope our our arms industry will keep making new, and often odd looking new cartridges, along with new firearms, some with "funky or odd design features" Because I believe that's what helps keeps our firearms freedoms...Sure, many don't make sense to me, but they often do for some people. Absent a viable firearms industry, I believe the second amendment is weakened.

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Originally posted by Von Gruff:

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Von Gruff--Most everything from about 1920---I bet the exception was the .270 so Jack O'Connor could become rich and famous?

It was to specifically exclude the 270 that 1920 is the cut off date.

Von Gruff.

Gidday Von Gruff,

You need something to knock coons out of trees and leave them in a state fit to pluck. Hit them with your 7 mil and you would be running around with a butterfly net trying to catch the fur before it blew away.

Therefore you need a 22rf.

I'm with you on the 270 though. It does nothing that the 7 mil or 30-06 doesn't do better

Happy Hunting

Hamish

I would add any cartridge with a belt on it.

Hate the damn things. Would use a RUM before I used a belt.

Barstooler

Any cartridge that has the name Weatherby engraved on it.

465H&H

30.06, it was done in 8x57. The U.S. Gov't even copied the GEW98 and paid a license fee to Germany until the U.S. entered WW1 and we ended up on the winning side. .270 is another. .35 Whelen, notice a trend here?

.30-06

223 WSSM

>(2) Bolt action 30-30. Yes you can shoot pointed
> bullets in it. Danger that those bullets wind up in a
> lever gun exists. Sorta like keeping a pet
> rattlesnake. Even so, why not get the .308?

I always liked the idea of a bolt .30-30. The long neck and low pressure are friendly to reloading with cast bullets. Recoil is mild, and it's powerful enough for medium-sized game. Savage made some nice .30-30 bolt guns; I've never been all that thrilled with the ergonomics of the average levergun.

Any 243

But particularly ones with shorter than 24" barrels. What could be an excellent cartridge were it based on 250-sav ends up being an barrel burning, underperforming powder hog because it's as massively overbore as just about any belted magnum. A carbine 243 is little more than a really loud 30-30 the last time I chronied factory 100g rem 243 ammo from a 18.5" 788 the MV averages less than 2700fps

There are only 3 cartridge families that any sense at all. '06, X57, and .300 H&H. The rest is all fluff!

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Originally posted by 45otto:
There are only 3 cartridge families that any sense at all. '06, X57, and .300 H&H. The rest is all fluff!

AHEM!

o6 and x57 are the same family as are 308 as well

I would say 223 then .473" or Mauser and lastly the 375H&H

17HMR....no doubt about it, and I own one. Got it
with the big idea ammo would come down in price
after the "new" wore off! I can reload for my
Tactical 20 about as cheap as shooting the 17hmr.
Both are fun to shoot, but the 20 shoots like a
laser. Oh, yes, it was just plain goofy of
Kindler to take a .223 case, size the neck down
to .204 caliber, put a 30 degree shoulder on it
(everything good so far), but then turn around
and call the poor thing "tactical"! DUMB!

Had the .25-06 come onto the scene prior to the
.257 Bob, wouldn't a lot of us be asking, "Why was
the Roberts needed?"

"What will a .25-06 do that a .270 doesn't do
better?" Simple answer.....EVERYTHING! From
whopping a few dozen pdogs with 75gr bullets
in an afternoon to doing a BANG-flop on a 400yd
mulie. And ya certainly don't need 120gr
bullets to drop the mulie.

vapo, next time I go back home to Stratton,
I'll put my Savage 12 & 112 VLP's up against
anything ya got.

Reduced recoil gun rests (mine is a Zero Kick
rest by Shooter's Ridge) are integral for some
of us in load development. We feel it is very
important to know exactly what a load/rifle
combo will do. That way, I know it is my fault
if a bad shot occurs. But in the event a person
never shoots any other way prior to taking the
rifle out in the field, I totally agree that
AIN't the way to do it.

But my main pet peeve cartridges are any of the
pistol rounds of less power than a .22LR, and
would tend to pi$$ off an intruder.

270 WSM doesn't make sense when the 7mm WSM does as good or better W/much better bullet selection.

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Originally posted by Hamish:
Gidday Von Gruff,

You need something to knock coons out of trees and leave them in a state fit to pluck. Hit them with your 7 mil and you would be running around with a butterfly net trying to catch the fur before it blew away.

Therefore you need a 22rf.

I'm with you on the 270 though. It does nothing that the 7 mil or 30-06 doesn't do better

Hamish

Giday Hamish, I take it that you are refering to my sig line, which I hold to,with the multiple loading I have for each.
Do have Kimber 22rf though, an XR 100 in 20 VarTarg and an AYA 12G to round out something for most situations.

Von Gruff.

I never made any sense of the scout rifle. Horrendous POS concept, even if it was Jeff who thunk it up.

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Originally posted by DWright:

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
Seriously, if Savage quit making rifles and the 308 became extinct, the world would be a better place.

Savage. . . ? That's how you say it. . ? Savage. . . ?

Crap, and I've been calling them "Salvage" all these years!

But, I'm right there with ya!

Yeah; it must be really embarrassing to see one of those "cheap as chips" Savage POS rifles consistently shoot sub MOA groups for less than a $600 outlay.

"embarrassing"??? Why??? I guess just like there are $2.00 hookers and $1000.00 a night call girls, there's something for everybody. They both do the same thing but to most folks, looks and style count for something. I guess it's a matter of taste.

You guys wouldn't have anything left given your own way. They are all good. Good for the industry, good to argue about which is best, good for, well you get the idea, if you don't, Oh well thats another discussion.

Gidday Wasbeeman,

Just to keep matters straight, they are all hookers, it is only the number of customers that vary.

Marriage is just legalised prostitution with one customer.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

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Tell which guns and cartridges make no sense to you.

I like everything except paintball guns and weapons of war!

Anything I don't own (currenlty 22LR, 22WMT, 223, 243, 6.5 Swede. 303Brit and 12G... ) makes no sense to me, as they do everything I need them to do ... until I feel the urge to get something different... and then whatever I want to get makes perfect sense.

Only one comes to mind a Derringer , especially in 22 rimfire !.

Everything else is a matter of preferential ignorance or practicality !!!.

The .25 cal handgun

Anything .17 except in an air rifle.

The .204's also.

How about cartridges?


1. 300 wsm
2. 325 wsm
3. 416 RM
4. 6.5 Grendal
5. 7mm wsm
6. 25 wssm
7. 307 win
8. 224 boz
9. 300 rum

The above cartridges are considered to be replicas, or otherwise too specific. What ever that means.

Americas top cartridges from 1939 to present.

1. 270 win
2. 30-06
3. 7mm rm
4. 300 wm
5. 375 H&H
6. 22-250

I'm sure there will be some yelling at this but it's not my data. Data from 2 group polls NRA and American hunter over 4 years.