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carpetbagger, Think you could succeed in stiring. But remember - what makes sense to one may not may sense to another! I for instant think the 280 makes no sense, figuring I've got the 270 on one side and the 30-06 on the other. But if starting from scratch and didn't own any, the 280 could make sense! Judging for the replies on other threads from the 280 and 280AI owners, there's a lot of happy campers with one. ________ Ray | |||
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Ray Sendero---Certainly this is an opinion deal. I put .300 mags and 25-06 on my list---but look at their sales, obviously a lot of folks don't agree with me (no way I can educate everyone). | |||
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I have a 7mmRemMag and I completely agree on loading it with 175gr bullets. Like loading the 25-06 with 120s it defeats the purpose. I've never bought a 7mm bullet heavier than a 140gr, nor do I intend to... The one I really don't see the sense in is the 243win loaded with 100gr bullets as a deer killer, will it work? yeah... but a 7mm-08 loaded with 120's makes a whole bunch more sense... AD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Ya know, now that y'all got me thinking - I've had girlfriends that made no sense - So why not rifles! ________ Ray | |||
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Most everything from after about 1920 makes no sense to me except for the 20 Vartarg. With my 7x57 and 404 and a 12g I can go anywhere and hunt anything. Von Gruff. | |||
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Ray Sendero---Girlfriends that made no sense? PMS and perpetual headache? Girlfriends usually immune from those. | |||
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Von Gruff--Most everything from about 1920---I bet the exception was the .270 so Jack O'Connor could become rich and famous? | |||
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================================================ Oh man, you can't play butt darts while engaged in a serious match of curling! While I believe it may not be Olympic material, it's a blast to play! Especially with Jack Daniels involved! | |||
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While I know they're fine pieces of engineering, I could never warm up to the Browning BAR, the Rem 742 series or most other sporting auto feeders... but I like the AR15/AR10 rifles just fine. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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This thread is basically the inverse of the ever popular "choose X rifles for yourself" thread. Frankly, it's much easier to name the 5-7 calibres that DO make sense to me and say the rest don't. .22LR (obvious...you need one) .308 (range accuracy/sniper) 30-06 (practical hunting for everything from varmints (110 grain bullets) up to Moose/kudu/sable but probably excluding eland even with 220s) 9,3x62 (everything from eland and bears to MAYBE elephant) .416 Rem/Rig or maybe .404 Jeffery (just for fun or for the guy who might sometimes be uncomfortable with the 9,3 on ele) 8 bore (follow ups in thick cover) What I want is a justification from anyone as to why someone ever needs ANYTHING BUT the above given current bullet weight offerings. | |||
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tendrams, Rockchuck shooting in Idaho. From 200-1000+yards. Rich | |||
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tendrams--You ever shoot 110 grainers in a 30-06? A far cry from a varmint round. I bet if you went on a prarie dog shoot with lots of shooting using that you'd be adding a 22 centerfire or some such to your list. | |||
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When it comes to shooting prairie dogs....the largest caliber I want is the .243... The .22-250 and .223 are where it's at. Shooting a .30-06 with 110s will last about ten minutes max /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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vapodog--prarie dogs with 30-06 and 110's about 10 mins max---you got that right that was my point. Years ago I loaded some 110's for my 06 and the big surprise was that they were hitting where my 150's hit---recoil and blast couldnt tell much difference at all. Using cast bullets and Unique a guy could shoot it all day though. | |||
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Any caliber with a brake screwed to the end of it's barrel. O, and the 7 mag. | |||
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 .243, .260 and 7mm08.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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So throw the 110 grainers in the .308. or fine....ditch the .416/404 for ele and wholly rely on the 9,3. Might even ditch the .308 if we are really thinning the herd. .22 rimfire .22 centerfire 30-06 9,3 8 bore | |||
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The reality is that for every good cartridge in one mans opinion it is probably over rated or worthless in another mans opinion. How sad it would be if we didn't "invent" a new cartridge every few years: Think of the short magnums, the super short magnums, the non magnums and the cartridges that have fallen out of favor only to be"re-discovered" by some gun writer trying to meet a deadline. Were it not for new or improved cartridges, there would be nothing to write about, nothing to BS about and nothing to "wonder why" about. Without new cartridges would the manufactures of guns and ammunition have to slow or reduce factory output, lay off workers and drive the gun writers and the gun rags out of business? After all, if you have a twenty-two, a thirty-thirty and a sixteen gauge, what else could you possibly need? Don't ask me what happened, when I left Viet Nam, we were winning. | |||
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Gidday Guys, Roger you forgot about the parent 308 and the 358 win. Its the case you hate right. Dumpy and with a short neck, yeah I don't like my girls like that either. Happy Hunting Hamish | |||
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Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I am joining in late here, but personally, I have no use for any cartridge with the words "Short" or "Ultra" in the caliber name. Or any rifle or ammunition manufacturer's name, for that matter. | |||
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I forgot to add, any gun magazine's name in the caliber either. | |||
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AC and Whatthe... My first competitive game was with a shotgun...skeet. It got boring really quick; you've got to run 100 to get to the shoot-off to be able to win like trap. I shoot sporting now; nobody shoots a 100 and it's more challenging and fun! I never shot benchrest but I do shoot the Precision/Tactical match now. Glad I skipped the benchrest after this conversation! | |||
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Life is way to short to spend much time in this  contest. There are 3 or 4 cartridges that would cover all your shooting needs. The other 30 in my safe are just for fun.  Heck we really only need about 4 or 5 types of cars the rest make no sense to someone. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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It was to specifically exclude the 270 that 1920 is the cut off date.  Von Gruff. | |||
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I think that any gun you have to buy custom ammo or custom brass is a complete waste. If I can't buy it (or form it from a standard chambering) from a local store, I don't want it. I also think that anything that has only 1 maker and/or 1 supplier of components is stupid. Hornady is notorious for this and has lost a lot of my respect. "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then is not an act, but a habit"--Aristotle (384BC-322BC) | |||
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With a 243, 30 06, and a 416....wouldn't you be outfitted for anything on the planet? Well, maybe a 223, 7 x 57 and a 375.....no wait minute....maybe a 222, 308 and a 458....no wait a minute....  | |||
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Von Gruff ABOUT 1920 is not specific--BTW the .270 win was 1925. | |||
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7mm Mag because the holy spirits that make it "fly so flat and far and kill elk with near misses at 2000 yards" don't seem to like me as I have never shot one that is any different than expected printed ballistics. Every time I run into a guy with a 7mm they have to tell me all about how flat it shoots and how dead things become instantly just seeing the rifle. Oh and I forgot, the 7mm kicks WAY worse than my 458,460,577 etc, but the nice guys who own them do not want to shoot my ammo to prove how well they handle the massive recoil of the 7mm. So I bought a custom 7mm Mag, heavy barrel varmit gun that was a hoot. With 140gr noslers in that 15lb gun recoil felt about like my swift, I mean 600 OK  and did indeed kill prarie dogs and rock chucks with authority. I wonder why I sold that thing- it was awesome. Maybe I will build another. Matthew | |||
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Anyone that has a brake screwed to the end of his barrel needs to take up Curling  James | |||
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Sounds like my neighbor Matthew... 27 years of listening to his 7 maggi bullshit... He even had his Magnaported... I laff now just thinking about it..  I should add that there is nothing wrong with the 7mm mag. to my way of thinking or Magnaporting for that matter.. It not the fault of the round that it's owner is a incessant braggart.. | |||
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375 Ruger. Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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Useless, that would be the 222Rem, 243 Win and 308 Win, and anything in a lever action!  | |||
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swheeler--useless---.222,.243 .308 and anything in lever acrion--hmmm seems I'm being picked on. Sure glad you didnt include .25ACP. | |||
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25ACP? Hell no I may want to tip over a moose someday! Ray sent you a PM | |||
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That's not correct, I've killed thousands of game with the 17s, everything from squirrels up to coyotes.
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The ones I can't afford. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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================================================ I started competing in single event tactical about 5 years ago and now I'm doing the full course! It's just simply fun and downright challenging! We even started 2 night events (approach/neutralize & motion sniping) all great fun! and the losers buy the beer! I'm not sure if BR is this exciting but It sounds like a real challenge!? | |||
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257 Weatherby ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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