[QUOTE]Originally posted by brayhaven:

Congratulations Saeed, on hitting the target "dead solid perfect" As Dan Jenkins would say.


Heh, heh .

Well, brayhaven, you'll be around for a loooong, loong while, me thinks. As another said - "well said".

Oh, BTW, "Congratulations Saeed".

Brown lipstick rules!

DB

Has the kid's Father ever identified himself?

I know that Bobby Tomek is a relative and I've always seen him as a stand up guy. The kid's Father seems to be lying pretty low in the weeds though

Seems odd that he would not step up to explain or defend his son's actions. Perhaps he feels no defense is necessary or .......?

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:

A 14 year old isn't a child.

So, you think it's "very rude" for a young man to carefully deliberate and then stand up straight and speak the truth, but it is acceptable for a older man (VG) to conduct himself like an unwashed 4 year old brat? That's as absurd as it is juvenile.

Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Varmint Guy started an action that precipetated an almost predictable reaction. He got wiped out by his own fall out. It is almost sad that there so many anti kid and pro VG. Does bleeding heart liberal come into play here? roger

Na, I've been accused of being a bleeding heart liberal, and I side with the kid.

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Originally posted by Mickey1:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

A few things to bear in mind please.

I am all for freedom of speech, but this is a privately owned site.

We allow a lot of things other site would not.

We have very few rules, and one of them is PLEASE BY CIVIL IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHERS.

We ask those who break the rules to re-consider. And if they think they are above them, or do not wish to comply with our request, then I see no point in allowing them the privilage of to continue to post.

Picking fights with others just because they did not agree with you is not an acceptable behavior.

The following post somes it up pretty nicely"

"...Well spoken.

For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

It seems to me that a lot of being a decent human being is respecting others regardless of where they are in their level of experience, knowledge, or the miriad of other attributes that make us who we are.

If you breath air, I will try my best to give you at least a modicum of respect. Some folks are harder to treat respectfully than others, this is a given.

The place were VG goes wrong is that he shows no respect. It's his way or you're an idiot. We've seen this too many times to count. That's obviously a foolish position to take, but he does this very frequently and I for one am tired of the attacks both towards myself and others.

The question that needs to be asked is not if AR's a good site or not. It's the gold standard. The question should be: Would the site be better without VG's hatchet weilding posts. For me the answer is a no brainer.

Gabe

Pa to three sons
Sambone 5
Catcher 3
Heebies 1
Husband to one wife
the Cluck ..."

Saeed

I'm not sure how Gabe got into your post, unless that is another ID of yours, but if this is your position than how come Jeffeosso and Tomo577 have not been banned?

They both certainly fit all of your criteria as far a belittleing those who disagree, picking fights with other posters, being disrespectful of others and occasionally using profanity towards each other and other posters.

You have let both Cats and Carmelo re register numerous times when both of them are far worse than Varmit Guy.

Home schooling is evidently a very effective method of education. It seems this 14 year old kid can come on here and orchestrate the removal of a long time member on his first post. He has learned how to gather up the sheep and have them talk the Shepherd into killing the Dog by convincing him it was a Wolf.

This appears to be more of the slippery slope that has been created around this 'non censored site'.

Mickey,

At one time or another, you are just as guilty of at least some of the misbehaviour you blame others for.

Anyone banned can always come back by using another log in ID. There is not much we can do about that as long as they do not go back to their old ways.

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Originally posted by mike_elmer:

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:

A 14 year old isn't a child.

So, you think it's "very rude" for a young man to carefully deliberate and then stand up straight and speak the truth, but it is acceptable for a older man (VG) to conduct himself like an unwashed 4 year old brat? That's as absurd as it is juvenile.

Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Varmint Guy started an action that precipetated an almost predictable reaction. He got wiped out by his own fall out. It is almost sad that there so many anti kid and pro VG. Does bleeding heart liberal come into play here? roger

Na, I've been accused of being a bleeding heart liberal, and I side with the kid.

And I'm a very conservative Texan and you can probably tell how I feel. It seems to me that it would be a liberal notion to let a kid govern your life.

After all, isn't it the Democrats who are always harping on "let's do it for the chillldren!"

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Originally posted by woods:

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Originally posted by mike_elmer:

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:

A 14 year old isn't a child.

So, you think it's "very rude" for a young man to carefully deliberate and then stand up straight and speak the truth, but it is acceptable for a older man (VG) to conduct himself like an unwashed 4 year old brat? That's as absurd as it is juvenile.

Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Varmint Guy started an action that precipetated an almost predictable reaction. He got wiped out by his own fall out. It is almost sad that there so many anti kid and pro VG. Does bleeding heart liberal come into play here? roger

Na, I've been accused of being a bleeding heart liberal, and I side with the kid.

And I'm a very conservative Texan and you can probably tell how I feel. It seems to me that it would be a liberal notion to let a kid govern your life.

After all, isn't it the Democrats who are always harping on "let's do it for the chillldren!"

Let's slug this out in the Political Forum!!!

You might notice I said I was accused, but that doesn't mean it's true.

Mickey1 wrote:

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Has the kid's Father ever identified himself?

I might be wrong here, but I don't think he's registered -- or if he is, he has posted minimally. I'll find out once they return home to AZ. They were hog hunting in south TX much of this week, and I'm guessing they might return home by the middle part of next week (depending if they stop to see any more relatives).

Loonie wrote: "Someone had to show the kid how to use search and cut and paste. Someone had to show the kid how to create his account here on AR and how to use the AR forum software -- the kid didn't just learn it on his own."

Loonie-I don't know about where you live, but the teenagagers I know have a better grasp of the computers than most adults.

Did YOU need someone to show you how to sign up for your account???

one of my nephews is nine and a half. He comes over twice a year to reset all the clocks on the stove and microwave, and debug and removes all the cookies and spyware on the computer about once a month. I treat him to my lovely wife's chicken and dumplings my Mother taught her to make. Then he takes me on a website tour to show me all the new updates and such I should put in the computer. Yeah right, kid didn't know how to do that.

Rich
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No one needed to show me - then again no one needed to shield me from a bad word either. Not to the point where I had to have a kid call someone else out on the net because I couldn't handle it.

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Originally posted by Loonie:
sigh....

Brayhaven - you should be banned for the same reason as VB then --- [QUOTE] Anyone with the mentality of a lobotomized angleworm can see that it stifles discussion and builds animosity.

That is exactly

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It's about viscious personal assaults which destroy a discussion & ruin a forum.

That's not a personal attack, Loonie. It's a generalized statement about common sense. The fact that you don't recognize the difference is probably why you're sticking up for sleazy posters.
I'm a list owner of a shooting forum and don't believe in "moderating" what is posted. I do believe in strict rules against personal assaults (flaming). In other words, mature, courteous, civil behavior towards others in the discussion. I have zero tolerance and they only get one nasty attack & they're history.
I'd love to see that here.
The discusions would be much more productive and friendly. I would bet they would include many more knowledgeable people as well. Those who just don't care to get into a fight because they have a different opinion. Which is usually why people like VG post those venomous attacks in the first place. Usually, as their position becomes less defensible, they become more demeaning of the others in the discussion. It happens all too often. But the result is, the forum suffers and some are completely destroyed. It's not free speech.

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Originally posted by Dungbeetle:

Oh, BTW, "Congratulations Saeed".

Brown lipstick rules!

DB

Right on, "Dung"

I stand up for sleazy posters as much as you would the M700 extractor. Any knuckle dragging retarded asshat could see that.

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The fact that you don't recognize the difference is probably why you're sticking up for sleazy posters.

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Originally posted by Loonie:

I am more inclined to believe dad had a problem more with VG and used his kid to vocalize it.

I totally agree. Let's get this straight: a 14 year kid is reading over his dad's shoulder. Then his dad lets him on AR. In a matter of minutes the kid has scrapped all kinds of nasty comments by VG, and yet no one else. Why just VG? Why not others? I think someone else had it in for VG and used the kid. I have a hard time believing a kid reputed to be as intelligent as this one made the entire thread a singular issue with VG when there are others.

It is also not the least bit ironic that Bobby T and VG got into a tuff on the .17HMR on the small caliber forum. So it appears that at the very least, there are some hard feelings going on and the kid was used to vent those.

AnotherAZwriter-

Let's get this straight. I don't hide behind an internet handle or disguise my location. I speak what's on my mind. And I certainly don't need anyone else to speak or act for me. I've had a number of run-ins with VG over the years -- but then again, who hasn't? If you didn't fully agree with VG, he'd call you every name in the book (and some that aren't).

I noted early on that I wasn't thrilled about the post made by dreamstohunt but that I commended him for standing up for what he believes in. His family and ours aren't exacly close -- and we maybe see each other once a year, if that. If you think he did this on my behalf, you are way off base.

I even doubt that dreamstohunt and I frequent the same forums. His primary interests now seem to be American Big Game Hunting, African Big game and rimfires. I rarely go to or post in any of those.

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
AnotherAZwriter-

Let's get this straight. I don't hide behind an internet handle or disguise my location. I speak what's on my mind. And I certainly don't need anyone else to speak or act for me. I've had a number of run-ins with VG over the years -- but then again, who hasn't? If you didn't fully agree with VG, he'd call you every name in the book (and some that aren't).

I noted early on that I wasn't thrilled about the post made by dreamstohunt but that I commended him for standing up for what he believes in. His family and ours aren't exacly close -- and we maybe see each other once a year, if that. If you think he did this on my behalf, you are way off base.

I even doubt that dreamstohunt and I frequent the same forums. His primary interests now seem to be American Big Game Hunting, African Big game and rimfires. I rarely go to or post in any of those.

Bobby:

I am not saying VG is golden; as you said, we all have our run ins with him. But the facts are that the entire thread had VG as the centerpiece, and I just have a hard time believing the kid threw a "dart" and it landed on VG. Someone showed him one of the VG threads in question. I am not saying it was you. But if it wasn't you, then it was his father. And if it wasn't that, then the kid was on the site without you or his dad knowing it for quite some time, knew your handle, and was defending you. How else can you explain him out of the blue picking VG during his first "surf" on AR?

But like I said, VG was a piece of work. No disagreement there.

It was not his "first surf" on AR. His post pointed out that he has lurked for a while now but only recently registered.


And I do know where he got his introduction to VG's ways: on a wolf thread. That thread -- and wolves in general -- was the subject of one of our conversations while they were here. I wasn't familiar with the thread at that point, but he certainly told me all about it along with his views on the subject.

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one of my nephews is nine and a half. He comes over twice a year to reset all the clocks on the stove and microwave, and debug and removes all the cookies and spyware on the computer about once a month.

I know the feeling. My 11 year old stepson explains half the elctronics to me and I don't think he has ever read an instruction book in his life.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it incredulous that a 14 year old could/would orchastrate this whole hatchet job on his own.

Just curious why the horse is still being beaten.

Bobby has said he had nothing to do with it. We don't even know if the father is registered. Even if he is and stated he also had nothing to do with it. The nay sayers will also choose not to believe him. Totally their choice. Each side of the "did he/didn't he" act alone issue will never convince the other side to join them.

All the talking in the world will not change opinions on this one.

My 2 cents let it die. As Saeed said if VG wants to come back under another name there is no way to stop him. If he does come back I'm also sure it would be known very quickly.

I'll drink to that.

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
It was not his "first surf" on AR. His post pointed out that he has lurked for a while now but only recently registered.


And I do know where he got his introduction to VG's ways: on a wolf thread. That thread -- and wolves in general -- was the subject of one of our conversations while they were here. I wasn't familiar with the thread at that point, but he certainly told me all about it along with his views on the subject.

Just for the record.....not ME!!!

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Ahhh, Oakland Raiders Lover...now the post makes sense. The only NFL stadium where battery-chucking is an art form.

Idaho Sharpshooter...you are against VG but you are just like him....hypocrite. I suppose you go to church so your neighbors see you there, probably sit on the front row to show the Preacher how "holy" you are.

stop picking your nose and crying because you can't mine your buddy's snotboxes for boogers before you post. That is repulsive.
VG was a loser with no manners or taste; are you sure you want to be counted as one in that camp? Of course just being a raiders fan puts you in the loser bracket of life...

Owww! Owww! Owww! Stop throwing those batteries at me!!

regards,

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

I don't say anything here or elsewhere, with the intent to show anybody up or insult them. If someone like that had ever addressed me like some of you, I would have run him down and stomped his guts into old mother earth.
Good riddance to rubbish.
Rich
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Lets see, some cheap basically harmless internet banter would make you want to do something like that,
Sounds a somewhat drastic extreme reaction, doesnt it Idaho? Your joking, right?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

...I guess the point is, you are a child at 14 only if you have not been given the opportunity to become a man by then. Up until about one hundred twenty years ago, most women were married by fourteen, and many had had a child by fifteen.

That means they most likely started "practicing" on the girl at 12-13yo or less. So is that considered a good thing according to your good ol' small town country values?? Sounds like you believe it is. You certainly have not indicated that they are not your presently held values.

According to your stds, Whats the youngest age a male can become a "man" and a girl can become a "woman"?
Your answer to this might just make VG look like a saint in some folks eyes.

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Originally posted by Loonie:
I stand up for sleazy posters as much as you would the M700 extractor. Any knuckle dragging retarded asshat could see that.

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The fact that you don't recognize the difference is probably why you're sticking up for sleazy posters.

Now that was a REALLY low blow!

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stop picking your nose and crying because you can't mine your buddy's snotboxes for boogers before you post. That is repulsive.
VG was a loser with no manners or taste; are you sure you want to be counted as one in that camp? Of course just being a raiders fan puts you in the loser bracket of life...

Owww! Owww! Owww! Stop throwing those batteries at me!!

regards,

Rich
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You have done an excellent job of reinforcing my original post...you are exactly what you pretend not to be...good job in showing your true colors!! You are pathetic. That is OK though,we can all see that calling people names and other school yard banter is all you are really capable of......but I will turn the other cheek,as I am not a hypocrite. Come after me, make fun of me, go ahead. It will just help further my point.

I am curious, Mr. Sharpsooter, what is your team in the NFL? I am genuinely curious.

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Originally posted by dreamstohunt247:
I’ve been visiting this site for a while now (just lurking) but finally signed up.

By any definition in any forum I've ever posted in, those are the actions of a TROLL.

Grow up (if indeed you are a child) or go away TROLL.....

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Originally posted by Rayderluvr:
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose.....but you can't pick your friends nose!

I think that saying goes: "You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose.....but you can't wipe your friends on the sofa!"

don't have an NFL team... too many overpaid drug users and "gangstas". You may have watched the Fiesta Bowl this past January and seen my team, the Boise State Broncos, beat Oklahoma State in one of the most highly regarded football games ever played. I'm an alum, and nobody throws batteries or picks their noses at games that I am aware of. At least since 1978 when I got here.
Do you think this obsession with eating other people's boogers is some sort of primal response to a chemical deficiency in your diet?

Rich
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Oh yeah Battery Chucker,

forgot to mention that my relationship with God need not concern you...yours is the one to worry about. Gratuitous insults are your gig, but I do reserve the right, whenever needed to to reply or point out visible character flaws.

Rich
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Woodjack,

biologically speaking, a boy is defined as a man when he becomes capable of impregnating a woman.
A girl becomes a woman when she becomes capable of being impregnated. There is your biology lesson for the day.

If you ever get to Africa hunting you might wish to ask your PH what the average age for Native women to marry is, and the average age of first delivery is. 12-13 and 13-14 majority time. In the Middle Eastern countries it is much the same, ditto 90% of Asia. Mickey 1 just returned from Cambodia, check with him for a second reference.

During the period from 1650 thru the early 20th century children did not hang out on street corners looking for drugs, or some reckless recreation to break the boredom in this country. They put in 10-14 hour days assisting around the farm/ranch and did not see anyone outside the immediate family except at Church or barn raisings and the like.
If you got up at daylight and spent an hour feeding the livestock, ate breakfast, and then went out and hitched up a team of horses or mules to a single bottom plow and followed the south end of a north bound team until 2pm, ate lunch and switched teams then went back to the fields until dark seven months of the year, you wouldn't spend much time here on this forum in the evening. It is the devil that finds work for idle hands, and much if not most of the mischief done in the world today is due to people with too much time on their hands who do not know how to entertain themselves in a socially acceptable manner. If anyone in your family is alive and over 75 years old, ask them how old grandmother and grandfather were when they got married, it may shock you.
My Great-great-great-grandfather was born in 1847 IIRC. He lied about his age and joined the army and fought in the Civil War. He was 14 in 1861 when he left home to go off to war. In 1865 he married his first wife. She was 15, and had my great-great-grandfather in 1866 about a week before her 16th birthday. She died in childbirth with her fourth child at age 20. This is a rather common age group. Children were not coddled on the frontier as they are today...it is part of the problem. We decry "children having children..." as if it were an unnatural occurrence. A family story is that my great-grandmother had my grandfather in the summer while following her husband up and down a field sowing wheat as he ran a disc over a field. They took an hour break, had GP, and she bundled him up in a petticoat and apron and went back to following him on that disc...sowing wheat.

My Father, God rest his soul, was born in 1923 and his father had 340 head of horses and mules to farm with. By time my dad was eight, he and a brother a year older were responsible for harnessing more than thirty head up at 6am for the hands to start the days work. About 1pm the hands returned for the lunch for twenty-five plus adults and the boys unhitched those teams and brought the afternoon teams up from the pasture and harnessed them. About dark-thirty those teams returned and Grandma had supper for the same group. They unhitched those teams and went to bed. The next morning the routine repeated itself with groups three and four of the draft animals. When WWII started, my dad and his brothers thought they were on vacation with nothing to do. My brothers and I grew up on a farm/ranch as well. My dad was a Paratrooper and a member of the 82nd Airborne. He went in behind the lines at Normandy in a glider...it's an airplane made out of plywood and 2x4's that they tow close to the landing site and cut loose from the tow rope. They have no wheels. Every landing was a crash landing. They didn't get to practice landings because they did not have spares to crash. So anyway, every once in a while some of the other kids would ride their bicycles out from town and we would all beg my dad to jump off the barn roof for us. It went back to his training at Jump School when by the end of the first week they went from jumping off of two foot high stands in the sawdust pits to stepping off (backwards) from a 34 foot tower into those same sawdust pits. He would let us all coax him for a couple minutes and then he would go into the barn, climb the ladder up into the loft and then ease out the hay rack doors and stand backwards on this 10"x10" rafter beam for a minute while we stood around screaming "Jump, Jump!". After a brief dramatic pause, he would take a step backwards and off the beam he came. He would hit and do the airborne roll landing and leap to his feet. The crowd, as they say, went wild!! It was one of the proudest days of my life, at nineteen, to come home on leave between Jump School and heading off to Ranger School (aka 77 days of Hell) and go out to the barn and replicate that jump with him. He was so envious of my Corcorans, that when I came home on leave enroute to Vietnam for my first tour of duty there I presented them to him and ask him to wear them for me and keep them limber. One reason paratroopers stand so tall are the special issue boots they wear. Corcoran brand, with a thicker sole and heel to help cushion that landing.
Anyway, he grew up with manners, reinforced with a strap across the backside to reinforce the lesson. So did I, and my brothers. Ditto with my children. I came from that feudal background, where family and respect are paramount. I am a bit of an Old Testament Christian. I do not consider anyone talking to me in a derogatory manner to just be a harmless buffoon expressing himself as best he can with a limited intellect and or vocabulary, although it is amazing the way the two occur simultaneously in nature. It is more my considered opinion that he might be best dealt with by removal from the gene pool. You speak to me in such a manner as VG talked here, and I will come and get you.

So, now you know who I am and where I am coming from and where things stand with me. The general buffoonery that goes on here is acceptable, until I decide the person is trying me on. Then I respond with vigor and purpose.

Raider Lover gave me a try, and he is now unhappy that I brought up batteries and his other self-proclaimed failings. Now he is mad...but he'll get over it. My discourse is never dull, my spelling and grammar are precise, and aside from an unfortunate tendency to express myself in run-on sentences well phrased and written.
Profanity and vulgarity are, as Mark Twain once said "...the sign of a feeble intellect and extreme intellectual laziness...".
I simply do not suffer fools gladly...

regards,

Rich
DRSS

Rich-

I THOROUGHLY enjoyed your post. As someone who grew up dirt poor on a farm and having been raised with strong Christian values along with respect for my fellow man, I can relate to much of it. Thanks for sharing...

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Rich

I really loved your post. Hey I was a town kid. But worked everyday after school and all day Sat and Sunday after church on one of several farms. When I told my son about working 18-20 hr days bringing in the hay before it rained for 2 cents a bale he thought I was nuts. Better that than shoveling $hit into the spreader for $1/hr. Oops that was after my raise.

I am trying to forget about those 80-90lb midwestern hay bales thank you! We got 5 cuttings and it seemed like I spent from late April to late September picking those dirty sob's up and putting them on a hay wagon and then up into the barn loft. My Dad got the bright idea to buy a 56 foot burnt out single wide trailer and make a super bale wagon out of it when I was a ninth grader. We'd get that last load about dark, and I'd celebrate the last one in the loft by taking a plunge into the stock tank! It was a pretty great way to grow up. I felt like I went on vacation when I hit basic...told my folks that we worked half a day Saturdays and had Sunday off...and not a single hay bale or milk cow for miles around!

Rich
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FMC,

take two minutes and read up on the AR definition of a troll. It's the equivalent of a "poser".
Trolls have no life, aside from making trouble for innocent people. Trolls see themselves as arbiters of what is good or bad and who the good or bad guys are and appoint themselves as chastisers and disciplinarians of the website in every matter. That was our boy VG, who considered it his lot in life to discipline every one here who did not agree with him; and in a vulgary, profane, and inane manner. If everybody here had the same moral code of conduct we wouldn't need to ban anyone. It is still a case of manners and civility. You are free to castigate all involved and show us all up by boycotting the URL.

If a description of the kid is needed, try Bounty Hunter or Whistle Blower. The young man never tried to create a problem, just suggested that someone else did and why the Ignore Button is, sadly, necessary. In the community I grew up in and the one where I resided the last twenty-nine years someone would have killed VG by now. He was a wicked person.

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Trolls see themselves as arbiters of what is good or bad and who the good or bad guys are and appoint themselves as chastisers and disciplinarians of the website in every matter.

That definition could fit a lot of posters here.

At the risk of alienating, Rich, I suggest you might want to edit/delete a couple of these posts?

I really enjoyed the history, but, well, you're dangerously close to advocating murder.

Was this your intent?

It's just a website forum, Rich?

Seems to me VG is a retired LEO?

Personally, I'm not at all convinced VG was a "wicked person."

Just opinionated.

And as far as I know, that's not a capitol crime.

Murder is.

flaco

Idaho Sharpshooter said

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Profanity and vulgarity are, as Mark Twain once said "...the sign of a feeble intellect and extreme intellectual laziness...".
I simply do not suffer fools gladly...

"those dirty sob's"

You must be refering to uncontrolled crying, with a misplaced punctuation mark, right Samuel Clemens? Otherwise it would seem that you need to "castigate" yourself according to your own code of moral conduct.

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"It is more my considered opinion that he might be best dealt with by removal from the gene pool. You speak to me in such a manner as VG talked here, and I will come and get you."

"In the community I grew up in and the one where I resided the last twenty-nine years someone would have killed VG by now. He was a wicked person."

Is that the kind of community where white sheets are on sale at K-mart? Maybe two for one burning crosses? The problem with the "good ole days" is that they weren't always good to everyone. But if someone threw in the occasional words "evil" and "wicked" their actions could be excused or justified.

But hey that's just my "considered opinion", put down the rope, have another mayonaise sandwich, and kick the dog. Darn domestic battery laws have been implemented the last quarter of a century too.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Woodjack,

biologically speaking, a boy is defined as a man when he becomes capable of impregnating a woman.
A girl becomes a woman when she becomes capable of being impregnated. There is your biology lesson for the day."[quote]

[quote]"..I am a bit of an Old Testament Christian"... "You speak to me in such a manner as VG talked here, and I will come and get you"...

regards,

Rich
DRSS

I didnt ask you about biology,Africa, M.East or Asia, I asked you according to your presently held value system as to how you live in the USA.
Can we safely assume that you live your life according to values you find in those other continents?
Have you tried reading the New Testament,things have evolved some.
Or do you count yourself a wiser man than JC, that his words mean nothing?