If VG got banned, I would not be pleased. He has been a poster here for a long time and we all knew what to expect from him. He was very knowledgeable and experienced. Perhaps he went over the line when provoked but most of the time it was more funny than anything else.

To me it is shameful when a new poster can come in here and get a long time poster banned. Now I have my first use for the "Hide Post" button. I do not come here to learn morals, just shooting and reloading and we have lost something today.

I just tried to PM VG and it said he could not accept private messages.

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Originally posted by woods:
If VG got banned, I would not be pleased. He has been a poster here for a long time and we all knew what to expect from him. He was very knowledgeable and experienced. Perhaps he went over the line when provoked but most of the time it was more funny than anything else.

To me it is shameful when a new poster can come in here and get a long time poster banned. Now I have my first use for the "Hide Post" button. I do not come here to learn morals, just shooting and reloading and we have lost something today.

Don't blame it all on the "kid" woods, I'm sure daddy was right there telling him what to type. If the dad and "kid" agree that VGs words are offensive, then the kid shouldn't be allowed to read them.

If in fact some 14 year old boy joined AR and in one swoop managed to get VG banned, then I'd like to see what the exact up to date guidelines are for being banned.

I respect Saeed's decision even though I disagree with it.

Perhaps this alleged young man will be able to make a massive contribution to AR here in the next month or so.

The whole story smells like tuna.

My nephews have read this site over my shoulders plenty of times. If they ever saw something that offended them, they left.

I didn't read anything that VG wrote that was any worse than the entire lump of poo that has completely engulfed the political forum....nothing more that a bunch of threads that stimulate hate and bias towards one another.

What's more is the "kid" did a fine job of ONLY reposting what VG apparantly wrote....which is of course, biased itself....i.e., he didn't tell us the WHOLE story. Was VG talking to himself? Was he provoked?

quote:

Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
Doc wrote:

quote:

Saeed reversed his banning of the kid (which is still suspicious to me),

Oh, no!!! He's figured out the grand conspiracy.

So now we must all confess. See, it went down like this:

1. Saeed met this con-artist kid in a back alley after a tip from an "insider". Saeed asked if he wanted a job as a hatchet man.

2. He gave the kid a list of the posters he wanted banned and offered up a large pizza and $20 for every one that the kid could get booted.

3. Kid accepted the deal and went to work immediately.

4. Saeed boots kid as part of the original cover before proceeding with actual "ban."

5. At 2300 hours, Saeed, in clever disguise and after bribing a pizza hut delivery driver, delivers a supreme pizza with extra cheese and a $20 bill hidden beneath the crust to the con artist kid.

6. Part one of deal is DONE! Kid is getting hungry again. Who is next?

Mr. Tomek, I don't know you, and I have no beef with you. Have you never been suspicious of anything? Whole story sounds as legit as someone on meth claiming to be clean for months.

Perhaps I'm wrong. And I offer an apology to dream....guy, (forgot his handle).

But right now, I'm not buying it.

I, for one, am looking forward to the in-depth, knowledgable, and tittilating posts that dreamstohunt will be making over the next several years. At least until he reaches the age where he can join the service and defend our wonderful country and his rights to free speech.
Semper Fi dream boy.

Gentlemen,

A few things to bear in mind please.

I am all for freedom of speech, but this is a privately owned site.

We allow a lot of things other site would not.

We have very few rules, and one of them is PLEASE BY CIVIL IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHERS.

We ask those who break the rules to re-consider. And if they think they are above them, or do not wish to comply with our request, then I see no point in allowing them the privilage of to continue to post.

Picking fights with others just because they did not agree with you is not an acceptable behavior.

The following post somes it up pretty nicely"

"...Well spoken.

For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

It seems to me that a lot of being a decent human being is respecting others regardless of where they are in their level of experience, knowledge, or the miriad of other attributes that make us who we are.

If you breath air, I will try my best to give you at least a modicum of respect. Some folks are harder to treat respectfully than others, this is a given.

The place were VG goes wrong is that he shows no respect. It's his way or you're an idiot. We've seen this too many times to count. That's obviously a foolish position to take, but he does this very frequently and I for one am tired of the attacks both towards myself and others.

The question that needs to be asked is not if AR's a good site or not. It's the gold standard. The question should be: Would the site be better without VG's hatchet weilding posts. For me the answer is a no brainer.

Gabe

Pa to three sons
Sambone 5
Catcher 3
Heebies 1
Husband to one wife
the Cluck ..."

I might have given VG a 30 day vacation and reminded him it is not his website, and he is not the final, usually scatalogical or vulgar, word on the subject. Those of you who see a vast conspiracy here, get over it. Next thing, you'll have the kid on the grassy knoll or the guy who grabbed Hoffa. Whatever merit VG might have had, he had a twelve year old's vocabulary and less common sense. Since two-thirds of my family lives in Montana I can guarantee you all he did not talk that way to people in person...or he would have been posting with a joystick from his wheelchair. Most every native Montanan I know is fairly soft spoken and polite to a point. Living among people who will reward that sort of language with the same general treatment accorded six month old bull calves at spring roundup. Ear notch, castration, and a brand. Most of you know you can't be an asshole for more than thirty days in a small town...then they suggest you move. He was an internet bully, knowing he could not be dealt with personally unless he screwed up and let somebody know who he really was and where he resided.
I don't say anything here or elsewhere, with the intent to show anybody up or insult them. If someone like that had ever addressed me like some of you, I would have run him down and stomped his guts into old mother earth.
Good riddance to rubbish.

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
Perhaps he went over the line when provoked

If you care to take the time to reveiw his posts, you will find all sorts of unprovoked attacks.

quote:

To me it is shameful when a new poster can come in here and get a long time poster banned.

VG built the gallows and braided the rope, Dreamstohunt 247 just tightened the noose. When you spew that much vitriol, things will eventually reach critical mass.

We did lose something today. This however was entirely VG's doing.

I think this argument/discussion is going to go on for years. Leave the admins and moderators to make decisions if someone should be banned or not.

Lets forget all about this by doing some shooting/reloading/plinking or whatever takes your fancy.

KIWI commom sense showing through there, it is done, let it go. For better or worse VG has gone taking with him a caustic tongue and a whole lot of experience and knowledge. If this is a good thing or a bad thing?, well as always that decision is yours.

Dreamstohunt 247?, well I just hope his next post does not stir up such a storm. His research is to applauded, it must have taken a long time to construct that post. His point was well made, hammered home and then punched well in. Personally I would have settled for a well made point.

John

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

We have very few rules, and one of them is PLEASE BY CIVIL IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHERS.

Picking fights with others just because they did not agree with you is not an acceptable behavior.

For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

It seems to me that a lot of being a decent human being is respecting others regardless of where they are in their level of experience, knowledge, or the miriad of other attributes that make us who we are.


The place were VG goes wrong is that he shows no respect. It's his way or you're an idiot. We've seen this too many times to count. That's obviously a foolish position to take, but he does this very frequently and I for one am tired of the attacks both towards myself and others.

The question that needs to be asked is not if AR's a good site or not. It's the gold standard. The question should be: Would the site be better without VG's hatchet weilding posts. For me the answer is a no brainer.

Gabe

..."

Congratulations Saeed, on hitting the target "dead solid perfect" As Dan Jenkins would say.
It's not about profanity. I don't cuss much, except when it's absolutely necessary . It's about the vicious personal attacks which ultimately destroy a forum. They suppress discussion & transform what could otherwise be an educational, civil exchange of ideas & opinions into garbage.
These venomous assualts on a personal level are usually perpetrated by someone who doesn't have the "cajones" to say those things to a person's face. They also do it to stifle dissenting opinions, which would otherwise enhance the (open)discussion.
This young man was right to express his opinion as we should ALL condemn this kind of behavior. Ignoring it only encourages more and nastier confrontations, and the forum (readers) suffers.
I'm sure I'll get personally blasted for expressing my opinion on this, but it just shows that some folks are so intolerant of differing views, they need to lash out at anyone who expresses them. It shows insecurity and imaturity.
This is a good forum and there are some very knowledgeable people here. I'd hate to see it degenerate into a slugfest and drive off those people.
Just my dos centavos.

I, for one, am sorry to see VG banned. Sure he could be abrasive at times but he did have a good amount of knowledge to contribute. It isn't right that a "new" member can come on here and get a long time member banned in his first couple posts. If you don't like the way someone speaks, use the ignore feature like everyone else. Did you stop to think that some people got good info from him?

I do agree with the thread title though. There is one poster who needs to go on ignore, and it isn't VG.

Yes, OJ simpson was a great football player too, ... if it just weren't for that nasty little habit of knifing people he had disagreements with ...


Greg,

"Ain't nobody ever made a thin dime givin' folks what they need... Ya gotta give em what they want" Angel from "The Rockford Files"

I've been on this site since 2001. I've seen people come and go. This is the most open forum of any I have visited and now just about the only one I do. Saeed provides this site at his own expense. Then when people take the time to thank him or say they really appreciate it they are then attacked and accused of kissing up or kissing his a$$. The way I was raised when someone does something for you you say thanks. Even something as simple as a "free" drink of water. This site is far more than a free drink of water. It is just "called being polite".

As to not believing a 14yr old can sound like that. Sorry but there are those that can speak just like that (clear, polite and thoughtful) I've had two and been around several others that are the sons of buddies. Sure I have also been around 14-18 year olds that couldn't put together a 5 word sentence and when they do it is full of crap. It is a real shame those are the ones you see on TV.

As to VG being banned. I'm sure there was much more going on between him and Saeed. Below is just a quote from VG in this tread. As you can see VG said he told Saeed what he thought of his request to be civil. Bottomline this is Saeed's house it is his call who he allows in and who he bans. Nor does he need to explain it. But, most times he takes the time when asked. We are free to come and go no one is force to post here.

quote:

Mr. Saeed has spoken directly to me regarding civility and I told him what I thought of that and, his uncivil recent remarks regarding the United States "occupation" of Iraq and Afghanistan.
We have differences - we spoke directly regarding them. Its called honest expression of differences - if you can't handle that type "conflagration" there little buddy maybe its best you be gone?
And maybe I will be right along behind you?

Just my opinion last time I checked it and a couple $$ would buy you a cup of coffee.

quote:

Originally posted by dreamstohunt247:
I don't have a beef with anyone. I just wish everyone could be civil.

It's my opinion. Can't I have one?

You sure can. And I must agree that it is counterproductive to the purpose of a site like this one to spend time/effort trashing the other guy! I concur that there is way too little civility in this world, this country (USA!) these days!

Society was alot more polite in the days when everyone wore a sixgun!

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
If VG got banned, I would not be pleased. He has been a poster here for a long time and we all knew what to expect from him. He was very knowledgeable and experienced. Perhaps he went over the line when provoked but most of the time it was more funny than anything else.

To me it is shameful when a new poster can come in here and get a long time poster banned. Now I have my first use for the "Hide Post" button. I do not come here to learn morals, just shooting and reloading and we have lost something today.

I just tried to PM VG and it said he could not accept private messages.

I am not infavor of BANNING anyone, but if the person who wrote the stuff quoted by dreamstohunt was banned, it would NOT be dreamstohunt's fault!

quote:

Originally posted by kudude:
Well, I've been around here a long time, and I am old enough to say pretty much anything I want. And I say, "Out of the mouths of babes."

What is lacking in Varmints' discourse is civility as well as limited vocabulary. Unfortunately, there is entirely too much of this on this site just because there is no censorship. Just because you can, doesn't mean you oughta!

247 has expressed his objection in a reasoned fashion and offered an appropriate suggestion: turn Varmint off. If you don't like what 247 says, turn him off too, but I don't think many of us are going to do that. Welcome aboard, young man. Good on ya' and Weidman's Heil. Kudude

PS: Varmint, you'd make your points, which are sometimes well taken, better if you'd clean up you posts and not work so hard at being objectionable. k-d

Ja, dreamstohunt247! Waidmann's Heil. I agree with KuDude here. Welcome to the forum. I believe you will find that there are a great number of posters here who avoid personal attacks, and have something intelligent to contribute.

I am also glad to know that there are still some polite and considerate young folks out there!

Y'know, I just can't remember ever reading anything posted by that Varmint person.....

Well, Damme! I just finished reading the whole shootin' match, and I find it all, as the old Engineer Sergeant who was teaching the Field Fortifications class said, "Plumb Disconfusing".....

quote:

Originally posted by stillbeeman:
Sorry, I refuse to believe that a boy, no matter how socially inept, would, uninvited, go into a room of adults and begin to tell them how he wanted them to talk and act. Maybe that's the way he treats his parents but it's unacceptable outside of his home. To me, that sort of action from a child is rude! Very rude!

A 14 year old isn't a child.

So, you think it's "very rude" for a young man to carefully deliberate and then stand up straight and speak the truth, but it is acceptable for a older man (VG) to conduct himself like an unwashed 4 year old brat? That's as absurd as it is juvenile.

Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

quote:

Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:

A 14 year old isn't a child.

So, you think it's "very rude" for a young man to carefully deliberate and then stand up straight and speak the truth, but it is acceptable for a older man (VG) to conduct himself like an unwashed 4 year old brat? That's as absurd as it is juvenile.

Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Varmint Guy started an action that precipetated an almost predictable reaction. He got wiped out by his own fall out. It is almost sad that there so many anti kid and pro VG. Does bleeding heart liberal come into play here? roger

Ah, 400 Nitro, Are you hoping to be VG's replacment? I am not juvenile but a 14 year old is. And, regardless of how much adult empowerment his parents give him, he is still a child. That is based on raising two sons of my own and spending countless hours working with young people. I don't claim to be an expert but I do have a very good understanding of the workings of a teenager's mind.
If you would have really read my post, you would have noticed the key word "uninvited" and you will not find a post, any post, I made that condonned VG's actions or words. Nowhere did I say it was okay. In fact, I made the point of saying that VG's boorish actions did not excuse dreamer's boorish actions. So don't try to put words in my mouth.

quote:

Originally posted by stillbeeman:
I am not juvenile but a 14 year old is. And, regardless of how much adult empowerment his parents give him, he is still a child.

No, a 14 year old isn't a child. If a young man speaking his mind in an entirely appropriate manner bothers you, then stay away from young folks. You won't do them any good.

That "Dreams" has reached that stage in life that he is qualified to speak up and be heard is clearly illustrated by his first post. His words were properly measured, to the point, and accurate. That is more than can be said for VG.

quote:

If you would have really read my post, you would have noticed the key word "uninvited"

No one here is "uninvited". If Dreams is "uninvited", then so are you. We are all Saeed's guests here. You seem to think that once you are here, everyone else is "uninvited", which is a rather arrogant attitude.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Let's see, I've gone from juvenile to arrogant. Or perhaps an arrogant juvenile. Sorry, I won't try t explain it further,as you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about. But in keeping with your desire to be VG's replacment, the less you know, the quicker you are to call names and belittle.

Stillbeeman,

at fourteen most farm/ranch kids are doing a man's job, and working twelve hour days.
My oldest boy took my kayak, and his Savage O/U 223-20 gauge and went down from the Boise, Idaho area to the mouth of the Columbia...the Pacific Ocean...alone to celebrate his 14th B-day after school let out. He took a camera and journaled his experiences as his Scout program. Took him nearly a month. He checked in every other day for his mother. He was able to challenge the courses in HS and graduated at sixteen.
He is in Afghanistan on his third tour with the Army Rangers now. AT fourteen I would have easily given him the keys to any vehicle on the place and a credit card and sent him across country with it, secure in the knowledge that he would be okay. Two of my great nieces are 12 and 14, and they get up during the summer months, climb on a tractor and get to work. They plow a straight row, cut, swath, and run the baler, while their dad is busy with other ranch chores. I don't know where or how you were raised, probably a city boy; but at twelve I was doing that stuff as a matter of fact. My dad duct taped 4" blocks to the tractor pedals so I could reach them at ten years of age, and put me to work. I used to take my pony and my dog Toby and a 22 rifle and go off in the woods for three or four days at age nine. I still hate shetland ponies!

I guess the point is, you are a child at 14 only if you have not been given the opportunity to become a man by then. Up until about one hundred twenty years ago, most women were married by fouteen, and many had had a child by fifteen.

This young man seems to be just that, and I cannot believe that anyone here has the gall to suggest he is not.
He just commented on one person's use of vulgar language and the old "build yourself up by tearing other down" program.

I'd likely be proud to have him for one of my own...

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Stillbeeman,

I guess the point is, you are a child at 14 only if you have not been given the opportunity to become a man by then. Up until about one hundred twenty years ago, most women were married by fouteen, and many had had a child by fifteen.

This young man seems to be just that, and I cannot believe that anyone here has the gall to suggest he is not.
He just commented on one person's use of vulgar language and the old "build yourself up by tearing other down" program.

I'd likely be proud to have him for one of my own...

Rich
DRSS

Good post, Rich & congrats on your son. Tell him thanks for his service from those of us who appreciate it. I did my tour in combat @40 years ago & it's no picnic.
I can attest to what you're saying about many 14 YO kids (in rural areas).
I'm a 4H leader & Boy Scout volunteer and they amaze me at times. They get along much better than the adults. We could all (and I do) learn a lot from a bright, fresh mind that's unencumbered by narcissism.
If I was this kid's father, I'd be mighty proud of him.
There are those here who say they've never condoned the behavior this young man was pointing out. But, to my way of thinking, if you don't condemn it, you are condoning it.

In general when you are reduced to using four letter words, you lost the argument. Also Its best if you have nothing good to say about someone, don't say anything. These forums allow us to comunicate with people that we would not normally comunicate with in our day to day lives. Also what ever you write, will be there till the end of the web sight or the end of time which ever comes first. Think before you type. A noted hunter/writer is learning a very hard lesson, for not thinking about what he was saying and posting.

Well, this whole affair stinks. I'm not buying the 14 year old bs, wow, one posting and gone. As far as everyone saying it should have been done a long time ago you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, for what you ask? For letting a '14' year old do what nobody else had the BALLS to do. I'm outta here.

quote:

Originally posted by stillbeeman:
But in keeping with your desire to be VG's replacment, the less you know, the quicker you are to call names and belittle.

Seems to make some sense? OK what is your forte related to fire arms. Other than the defence of Varmint guy what do you bring to the table ? Are you a reloader, a components or equipment tester or possibly gunsmith hobbyist ? Do you hunt big game in the lower 48 and or Alaska?--Perhaps Africa? I'm sure we all want to know you better. Bench rest? cast bullets? Wildcating? Gun collector? Or are you a Varmint Hunter perhaps? roger

I will try to explain it one more time, I am not defending VG. I never was defending VG. In fact one of the adverse posts that were collected above was mine.
I did not like the way in which it was done. Nor am I convinced that it was a solo act by a 14 year old.
Nor am I impressed with all the little, pious, hypocrites that are gathered around the corpse, angling for camera coverage as if they have done something.
What do I bring to the table? We'll see as I do some of just about all of the things you've listed. My presence on this forum goes back much further than my post indicate. I won't be bringing a hatchet however nor will I back stab you when you're down.

I agree with 400nitro Saeed and others on this. I had a few run ins with VG. I think the way he conducted him self was very juvinile. We can dissagree, but we dont have to call one another a fraud, SOB and such.

Remember this is Saeed site and I'm greatful for it. It has given me alot of new friends, and I've learned alot. Saeed thanks for trying to keep this board on track for what it is ment for learning and fellowship.

I'll step off my soapbox now.

505ED

I am not a regular visitor to the Small Calibers forum. I would likely not have read these words at all had not the title of the first post in the thread caught my eye on the front page. I have never had a go-‘round with VG, and have no dog in this fight whatsoever. But, after reading all that has been written here, and in related threads on other forums on this site, these stand out --

quote:

From 400 Nitro Express –
Looks to me like the young man's folks have done a commendable job. The fellow is a pretty good shot too. His first time at bat he got a troll right between the eyes.

quote:

From Idaho Sharpshooter –
.....the point is, you are a child at 14 only if you have not been given the opportunity to become a man by then........

This young man seems to be just that, and I cannot believe that anyone here has the gall to suggest he is not.
He just commented on one person's use of vulgar language and the old "build yourself up by tearing other down" program.

I'd likely be proud to have him for one of my own...

quote:

From brayhaven –
There are those here who say they've never condoned the behavior this young man was pointing out. But, to my way of thinking, if you don't condemn it, you are condoning it.

BRAVO, to the three of you, and to dreamstohunt247, and to his parents!!!!

If any of you are ever in south Alabama, please look me up, so we can share a meal and/or a drink.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

Agreed. "Well spoken...."

WOW. I got tired of reading this thread before I got through the first page...yet I felt compelled to reply. My opinion is this: I LOVE this forum! I Have no problem with the young man that started this post, but also have to question his motive.
I was bored before I got to the end of his original post. I get bored reading some of VG's rants, but also have read and re-read others that were of interest to me. I guess my point is, if you like it, read it! If you dislike it, it bores you, or annoys you, or ???, then go to another post and find something that does inerest you. It is a little sad that someone wasted all the time it took to make the original post....sounded like sour grapes to me.

quote:

But you don’t have to read anymore of them. You can go to a post, click on this guy’s name/public profile and click ignore.

Son, you should have stopped your post at the above quote, it was "'nuf said", you had made your point.
I hope when you get older you will learn to focus on the positive things in life and let the petty little things roll off your back. Trust me, life is too short to stress over small stuff.
KEEP ON ENJOYING SHOOTING SPORTS!

Ahhh, Oakland Raiders Lover...now the post makes sense. The only NFL stadium where battery-chucking is an art form.

You guys trying to defend VG (defense of the indefensible?) keep rolling right by his problem. He's a textbook example of poor white trash, and by his own actions was banned from the site.

The kid performed a public service here by exposing the sheer volume of his vulgar diatribes, and didn't even post 10% of them.

Just one more of you post that he really didn't mean it, and he's just a loveable little fuzzball and misunderstood and I am going to puke.

He didn't get banned here for singing too loud in the church choir. Lack of civility and respect for the rest of us, and that includes you too; was the writ of banishment. You simply cannot have people like that here that refuse to be bound by the simple posted rules of the website.

If it had been me in charge, his second scatalogical, vulgar post and I would have posted him that one more utterance outside the lines and he would be gone forever. We ain't talking Mother Teresa here, we're talking Ellen Degenerate in drag.

Give it up.

Saeed, please close this and the rest of the reference thread NOW!!!


Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,

A few things to bear in mind please.

I am all for freedom of speech, but this is a privately owned site.

We allow a lot of things other site would not.

We have very few rules, and one of them is PLEASE BY CIVIL IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHERS.

We ask those who break the rules to re-consider. And if they think they are above them, or do not wish to comply with our request, then I see no point in allowing them the privilage of to continue to post.

Picking fights with others just because they did not agree with you is not an acceptable behavior.

The following post somes it up pretty nicely"

"...Well spoken.

For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

It seems to me that a lot of being a decent human being is respecting others regardless of where they are in their level of experience, knowledge, or the miriad of other attributes that make us who we are.

If you breath air, I will try my best to give you at least a modicum of respect. Some folks are harder to treat respectfully than others, this is a given.

The place were VG goes wrong is that he shows no respect. It's his way or you're an idiot. We've seen this too many times to count. That's obviously a foolish position to take, but he does this very frequently and I for one am tired of the attacks both towards myself and others.

The question that needs to be asked is not if AR's a good site or not. It's the gold standard. The question should be: Would the site be better without VG's hatchet weilding posts. For me the answer is a no brainer.

Gabe

Pa to three sons
Sambone 5
Catcher 3
Heebies 1
Husband to one wife
the Cluck ..."

Saeed

I'm not sure how Gabe got into your post, unless that is another ID of yours, but if this is your position than how come Jeffeosso and Tomo577 have not been banned?

They both certainly fit all of your criteria as far a belittleing those who disagree, picking fights with other posters, being disrespectful of others and occasionally using profanity towards each other and other posters.

You have let both Cats and Carmelo re register numerous times when both of them are far worse than Varmit Guy.

Home schooling is evidently a very effective method of education. It seems this 14 year old kid can come on here and orchestrate the removal of a long time member on his first post. He has learned how to gather up the sheep and have them talk the Shepherd into killing the Dog by convincing him it was a Wolf.

This appears to be more of the slippery slope that has been created around this 'non censored site'.

Gotta say I am questioning the 14 year old kid thing too. My question goes more to the father - if he KNOWS there are "adult" words used on this forum and has issues with his son seeing them - why the heck is he letting the kid read them over the shoulder in real time? Why not simply cut and paste the "good tips and tricks" into a word doc and let the kid read at his leisure in a "safe environment"?

Just me but if I live next to a lake - I have a coupla choices:

1. Build a fence and tell my kids never to go over it and hope with sugar on top that they never do so they don't drown.

2. Try and scare the crap outta them about drowning in the lake and hope they don't go near it.

3. Teach my kids to swim. Explain the dangers but at the least give them the tools too deal if they find themselves in the situation.

Kid mentioned the hiding of profanity by his dad yet apparently his dad had no problem letting the kid quote it in his post. Sooooo either it's wrong of him to see it at all or only to see it when he isn't calling out another poster?

Hello,
The wondering of why a "kid's" father would let him read such postings, and also comment on them is not really the issue here. The "kid" responding, reporting, reviewing, etc., about the actions/behaviour of VG is not the problem, quite the contrary, VG is the problem to be dealt with in whatever fashion the owner of the web site deems necessary. Condemning the "kid" is akin to the story about "shooting the messenger..." The right thing was done, it just took longer than perhaps it should have and the highlighting of VG's vicious ramblings and verbal attacks brought about a solution.

I have no problem with management doing whatever they do as they see fit. I never had a problem with VG and as an ex-sailor, trucker and currently work in a diesel shop - nothing VG said ever actually shocked me.

My post was more along the lines of issues I had with the original premise of this thread.

A "14 year old" whose parents felt the need to prevent his reading of profanity but approved him to cut and paste it into a post?

Like I said - if the issue REALLY was a child exposure to adult language there is another option - cut and paste into a word doc and let the kid read later. If the question of a 14 year olds maturity level when exposed to that language - I wonder what part of the internet seems like a good idea - sex and vulgarity abound.

I am more inclined to believe dad had a problem more with VG and used his kid to vocalize it.

Someone had to show the kid how to use search and cut and paste. Someone had to show the kid how to create his account here on AR and how to use the AR forum software -- the kid didn't just learn it on his own.

IMO someone had an ulterior motive and junior was an easier and less risky way of speaking their mind. Curious as the father has not weighed in on this conversation in the least - basicaly leaving the kid on his own....

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Originally posted by Loonie:
I have no problem with management doing whatever they do as they see fit. I never had a problem with VG and as an ex-sailor, trucker and currently work in a diesel shop - nothing VG said ever actually shocked me.

My post was more along the lines of issues I had with the original premise of this thread.

A "14 year old" whose parents felt the need to prevent his reading of profanity but approved him to cut and paste it into a post?

Like I said - if the issue REALLY was a child exposure to adult language there is another option - cut and paste into a word doc and let the kid read later. If the question of a 14 year olds maturity level when exposed to that language - I wonder what part of the internet seems like a good idea - sex and vulgarity abound.

I am more inclined to believe dad had a problem more with VG and used his kid to vocalize it.

Someone had to show the kid how to use search and cut and paste. Someone had to show the kid how to create his account here on AR and how to use the AR forum software -- the kid didn't just learn it on his own.

IMO someone had an ulterior motive and junior was an easier and less risky way of speaking their mind. Curious as the father has not weighed in on this conversation in the least - basicaly leaving the kid on his own....

If you think it's about profanity, you've missed the point entirely. It's about viscious personal assaults which destroy a discussion & ruin a forum.
I can't believe anyone would condone that kind of crap. Anyone with the mentality of a lobotomized angleworm can see that it stifles discussion and builds animosity. I've seen dozens of web groups destroyed by it and would hate to see it happen to this site.
And, if you think a 14 year old kid cant run a computer, you haven't been around many 14 YO's these days ).

By brayhaven

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I can't believe anyone would condone that kind of crap. Anyone with the mentality of a lobotomized angleworm can see that it stifles discussion and builds animosity.

If you are going to throw stones keep you profanity and your personal insults to yourself. Almost anything can be taken out of context and cut and pasted.

This is a different thread so I'll use a different view of the same picture

but this picture is appropriate for what is going on here

sigh....

It isn't about profanity - it's about the fact that someone obviously did not have the guts to say things themselves and either put their son up to it or acted like a kid to say the things they aren't man enough to do themselves.

As to a 14 year old running a computer - hmmm if he is so adept at the computer - I am betting that seeing an f-bomb or various synonyms for fecal matter here isn't entirely new.

My skepticism for the original poster is high. I find it odd that people actually think Saeed didn't know the posts done by VG and it took the "wisdom" of a "14 year old" to make him realize this.

It isn't about profanity, VG getting banned or the fact that children might be present. It is about the fact that on face value - post #1 does NOT meet minimum standards of believability and due to that a poster, who DID offer something other than 4 posts of whining, got banned.

Brayhaven - you should be banned for the same reason as VB then ---

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Anyone with the mentality of a lobotomized angleworm can see that it stifles discussion and builds animosity.

That is exactly

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It's about viscious personal assaults which destroy a discussion & ruin a forum.

I am gonna have my 10 year old post this in another thread and you better get banned......

See the hypocracy? See the obvious ?