It's interesting how some have been banned for much less. I guess it's not how much trash talk is flamed, but who gets flamed. And, this kid wasn't flaming anyone. Just copying & pasting 1 members selected posts.

Well, Saeed, I'm about to voice my opinion, so I guess I'll be the next ot get booted off.

But this looks to me like the STUPIDEST (that term is apparently acceptable)decision you ever made.
To kick someone off who expresses his opinion in a civil manner, while allowing the insulting, childish, personal-attack garbage that that he points out (ostensibly because it is a non-censored forum?) just doesn't make any sense....

Would you be so kind as to explain your rationale?

Or if someone else made the decision, could you explain why you would not reverse it?

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Well, Saeed, I'm about to voice my opinion, so I guess I'll be the next ot get booted off.

I for one am just curious why this young man was banned. I fully realize I'm just a guest here and don't want to make his mistake.

ramrod: you said it better than I, thank you.

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I for one am just curious why this young man was banned.

Hey Saeed theres a pissing match that needs to be stopped!!

My question is why was this taken to the administrator before the moderator could address the situation? (and again Saeed the first thing you do is grab the banning stick )

I would also like to know what the basis of banning 247 is in order to make a decision whether I need to hang around here. Kudude

Dreamstohunt247,

I have no idea how old you are. Anyone can pretend to be any age they want to be on the web. VarmintGuy could be 12 or 95 years old. I have no glue.

VarmintGuy could be getting all his/her information from magazines, instead of from experience. I don’t know.

Learn to watch a few things about people’s posts.

1, How many times they post versus how long they have been a member. Some people love to see themselves talk. Some are kids, some are insecure adults chiming in like the kids, and some really have hands on experience.

2, If challenged in a post. Watch how they react. How a person reacts to a challenge or a different opinion in a post can show his/her maturity (or how drunk they are at that time of day).

I usually don’t relay on a 2 page or greater thread.

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I have no idea how old you are. Anyone can pretend to be any age they want to be on the web. VarmintGuy could be 12 or 95 years old. I have no glue

While we have no clue Bobby Tomek who has 3000+ posts said 247 had spent the last 1.5 days at his house.

How many keyboard comandos would be as brave in person. Hate bannings always have. Been a member of many boards includeing this one early on, but lose interest as the post assassins start up. Everyone has an opinion newbe or oldtimer and I just try to move on if it is not constructive to stay.


With all this said I know I have a thin skin for insults. Nothing against another point of view, but what ever I consider as an insult has forced others to back up a big mouth in person.

I'm confused , there is obviously something more going on behind the scenes? getting banned ( if that's true ) for strictly that post makes no sense, we all have seen way worse here!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Mark Twain once said "...profanity is the sign of a feeble intellect (and poor breeding) and extreme intellectual laziness...".

Once you turn eighteen, profanity doesn't (favorably) impress anybody...it just shows your ignorance. It just shows a lack of respect for yourself and the other persons who has to hear/read it.RichDRSS

roger

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I for one am just curious why this young man was banned. I fully realize I'm just a guest here and don't want to make his mistake.

Saeed was kind enough to answer.
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/860106691/m/912102036

Two of my closest friends are Psychiatrists whom I have known for over 27 years. One received his doctorate from Johns Hopkins and the other from Harvard. Both quite qualified.
Interestingly enough, like myself, they are both hunters and enjoy AR for the plethora of information available and the willingness of one member to help another.
I asked them during a recent lunch we had together if they had ever read any of the posts by Varmintguy. They replied in the affirmitive. I then asked them, based on his posts, what they thought of this individual. In complete seriousness, they both agreed that he had 'Borderline Personality Disorder' which could be treated with the proper medication as well as qualified counseling.
It is a sad day when someone like Varmintguy is allowed to stay and a well spoken young man who was being a complete gentleman is asked to leave.

When Saeed noted that Dreamstohunt247 was banned for writing "a whole page of insults," I figured Saeed may have simply misread the post. He was kind enough to take another look. Here's the response:


"Bobby,

I appreciate your point. I have gone back and read that post - I never saw any quotation marks before, so assumed HE wrote all that.

dreamstohunt is no longer banned."

Well 247, have your dad PM me and I'll give him the name of sites to go to for you. Sometimes this site does get a bit rought and some guy's get carried away with the language. I know of several sites that will simply not tolerate the bad language you read. But bear in mind that most of these guy's are not like that, most seem to be supporting you. Think I'll go push ignor on varmit guy right now.

POINT OF ORDER!!!

Before anyone says something they can't take back. Check my link above.Or now Bobby's post Saeed had misread the original post and thought 247 has just signed on and then made a page of insults. He had missed that they were Quotes. Saeed after rereading is removing the ban.

All's well that ends well.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Once you turn eighteen, profanity doesn't (favorably) impress anybody...it just shows your ignorance.

Well spoken.

For me it's less about the profanity than the tone.

It seems to me that a lot of being a decent human being is respecting others regardless of where they are in their level of experience, knowledge, or the miriad of other attributes that make us who we are.

If you breath air, I will try my best to give you at least a modicum of respect. Some folks are harder to treat respectfully than others, this is a given.

The place were VG goes wrong is that he shows no respect. It's his way or you're an idiot. We've seen this too many times to count. That's obviously a foolish position to take, but he does this very frequently and I for one am tired of the attacks both towards myself and others.

The question that needs to be asked is not if AR's a good site or not. It's the gold standard. The question should be: Would the site be better without VG's hatchet weilding posts. For me the answer is a no brainer.

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Originally posted by Peter:
.... They are 3 billion people on this planet...

That was the worlds pop. in 1959, its about 6.6 billion now.

dreamstohunt247, I should have read more closely,that you did give credit for the good aspects of this site.

At the zoo one sees a variety of creatures and behaviour,look at this place with the same broad view, and you will have some fun. But like the zoo, there are cages you just should not put your hand in, and creatures you should not feed.
Now I know VG has the approach of a AbramsA1 tearing across the iraqi desert firing depleated uranuim shells at an enemy that dont really exist, but that is part of the real world of AR. If the dust from his tracks is too much for your eyes, Im sure you can catch reruns of LittleHouse On The Prairie, that wont offend.
But bear in mind, the main actor in that show was a drugged out buffon in real life. Sorry to shatter your fairytale. At least on AR you get it as it is up front, like it or not.
If you come hear without harsh judgement or condemnation in mind, its mostly bearable,informative & fun.
This is the place where we discuss the magnum belt not the moralistic ideals of the bible belt.

Personally I'm not into swearing unless I get real cranky, but you fellas complaining about it on AR aught not read too many novels from your local library. Some of them make my hair stand on end, and the female authors seem to be the worst by far. And the "intelligent" from colleges right up there, along with wild sex, drugs etc.
Give me AR anyday.

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Personally I'm not into swearing unless I get real cranky, but you fellas complaining about it on AR aught not read too many novels from your local library

Yep and many of the movies. Why they think it adds something is beyond me.

The big difference I see between the books and movies and some of the post here on AR is the posts are normally directed at someone.

What floors me is some people cant even type without cussing! I remember when I was a kid my grandpa cussed every other word I did love him very much but I wished he had not done it so much. Cussing becomes a habbit thats very hard to kick like smoking. I would not do it in front of a child because thats one habit I dont want to pass on and like my child hood with my Grandfather and me I dont want a kid remembering that of me!

I also like VG wondered if dreamstohunt247 was indead a kid or a alias!

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Originally posted by Dgc940:

What floors me is some people cant even type without cussing! I remember when I was a kid my grandpa cussed every other word I did love him very much but I wished he had not done it so much. Cussing becomes a habbit thats very hard to kick like smoking.

There are some people who have a disease called Tourettes Syndrome. This disease (I understand that its cause is not known) causes involuntary muscle tics and spasms and sometimes involuntary speech -- that involuntary speech is sometimes repetition of a curse or obscene word. I remember when I was a child I went with my mother to a small grocery store, where the checkout man would repeatedly say "Fuck" for no apparent reason. I did not understand it at the time (this would have been the early 1950s) and wondered why he behaved so badly. I realize now that he was probably a victim of Tourettes.

That would explain why some people speak this way. It would not explain why they write as they do.

Doc940 wrote:

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I also like VG wondered if dreamstohunt247 was indead a kid or a alias!

If Dreamstohunt247 is an alias, he sure as heck is an EXPENSIVE ONE as I know he is costing his folks a lot of money on bullets, powder, brass and other hunting stuff -- not to mention that he can reduce a full fridge to empty shelves in a matter of a few hours...

In this case, where Saeed thought that much garbage was unpardonable, shouldn't we look forward to reading that Varmint Slug is being banned any minute now? Seems only fair!

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by MAU MAU:
Two of my closest friends are Psychiatrists whom I have known for over 27 years. One received his doctorate from Johns Hopkins and the other from Harvard.
I asked them during a recent lunch we had together if they had ever read any of the posts by Varmintguy. They replied in the affirmitive. I then asked them, based on his posts, what they thought of this individual. In complete seriousness, they both agreed that he had 'Borderline Personality Disorder' which could be treated with the proper medication as well as qualified counseling.

Rather than diagnosing V.G., your friends should have recommended that all involved in this thread take a little trip over to the political forum and develop thicker hides. I'm sure your friends will find a veritable smorgasboard over there.

Good point. Might help if Idaho Sharpshooter would actually read the works of Mark Twain --who was reputed to be quite an artist at cussin' himself-- so he could get his quotes right.
And, finally, noone holds a gun on any of these folks and makes them read the posts. I didn't realize we had so many disfranchised hall monitors in here.

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Originally posted by stillbeeman:.
And, finally, noone holds a gun on any of these folks and makes them read the posts. I didn't realize we had so many disfranchised hall monitors in here.

OK! But what if you don't want to go through life with blinders on? Get real.

"Rather than diagnosing V.G., your friends should have recommended that all involved in this thread take a little trip over to the political forum and develop thicker hides. I'm sure your friends will find a veritable smorgasboard over there."

The political forum is nothing but a execise in frustration. It allows people to poke holes in the sky with their fingers. Nothing good, beneficial, or worthwhile will ever come out of it. Kind of like VG's derogitory blather. roger

If you don't want to go thru life with blinders on, then every once in a while, you gotta expect to see something that ain't pretty. Something with which you're not gonna agree. The size of the problems that offend you tell a great deal about your size as a person. You can skip over the petty stuff and get on with life, or you can waste your energies tilting at windmills and putting 14 year old kids up to doing a hatchet job on someone that you lack the gonads to confront.
FWIW, I find it a real hoot for me to be defending VG. His choice of words, good or bad, don't bother me. It's just he chooses sooooo many words of whatever kind to get what he saying said. (can we say verbose?)

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Originally posted by bartsche:
OK! But what if you don't want to go through life with blinders on? Get real.

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Roger, blinders are self-imposed and if one choses to wear them, so be it. Two things about this whole episode bother me: the boy was banned, then reinstated, and he is home schooled. The former can be explained away as English is not the administrator's native tongue, the latter cannot. One must ask, just what was the boy's adult guardian thinking granting access to the web.

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The political forum is nothing but a execise in frustration. It allows people to poke holes in the sky with their fingers. Nothing good, beneficial, or worthwhile will ever come out of it. roger

Again I beg to differ. AR's political forum offers two things: a cathartic outlet for the not so creative, and it will most definietly thicken one's hide. I find some individuals here on the forums distasteful, however, it is this uncensored, unvarnished quality which keeps me coming back.

buckshot wrote:

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just what was the boy's adult guardian thinking granting access to the web

buckshot-If you read the very first post, you'll see Dreamstohunt generally read over his Dad's shoulder and that when the content got bad, his father moved on or covered up the post. THAT'S what started this whole thread, I do believe.

stillbeeman wrote:

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you can waste your energies tilting at windmills and putting 14 year old kids up to doing a hatchet job on someone that you lack the gonads to confront.

You are WAY off base on this one. I know for a fact his father did try and dissuade him from the post but ultimately left the decision to him.

Dreamstohunt247 got tired of the attacks and language on this board and simply stood up for something he believes in. How would that be a "hatchet job?"

A "hatchet job" is what the kid was referring to in the posts he alluded to and then quoted.

I just read on the administrative forum that VD got banned. Does any one know if this good news is true? If so I Saeed!!! Character may not be spelled the same in his native tongue but it is enacted the same by responsible group leaders. If it is true my hat is off to you Saeed and that is a good thing. roger

Sorry, I refuse to believe that a boy, no matter how socially inept, would, uninvited, go into a room of adults and begin to tell them how he wanted them to talk and act. Maybe that's the way he treats his parents but it's unacceptable outside of his home. To me, that sort of action from a child is rude! Very rude! The fact that VG is rude is not a proper excuse for Dreamboy to be rude. Especially considering that there hadn't been any sort of exchange between VG and Dreamy.
Also, I find it very, very hard to believe that Dreamboy would feel such moral outrage on behalf of a group of folks that he doesn't know and who certainly didn't ask for his help that he would go to the trouble to formulate and research this diatribe. AND THEN, against the wishes of his father, post it in AR.
As the saying goes, "I was born at night, but not last night".

Uh Bobby, it became a hatchet job when he singled out one poster. Is he, in fact, a straw man for you?
I just read where Rober sez VG is banned. Wonder who Dreamer's next victim will be??

stillbeeman - Please re-read the original posts. In no way was he telling anyone how to act. I said I would distance myself from this thread but had to step in now.

He was polite in his approach, as many have already noted.

"Straw man"??? GET REAL. I see his family once every year at most. If you knew anything about me, you'd know that I cut to the chase & don't pull punches. There's no point in it.

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stillbeeman - Please re-read the original posts. In no way was he telling anyone how to act. I said I would distance myself from this thread but had to step in now.

He was polite in his approach, as many have already noted.

Bobby you are wasting your breath. People will believe what they want to believe.

As to kids speaking up guess my buddies and I feel that when we took our kids to the lease they were allowed to be one of the guys. Voice their opinions and feel free to enter into the discussion. Did they need to be polite. Sure just like the rest of us. Heck they even voted on issues(yes we held vito power). When you get to be 14 many are young men no longer children. The sooner you treat them like an adult the sooner they will act like one.

As I told him in my first response. His post would not make everyone happy. Would I have done it on my first(heck even when I agreed with him I hadn't in almost 3000)no. But I also edited what I allowed my 11 year old to read. People reactions to his post both pro and con is part of the learning experience.-

Just my 2 cents. Which will buy you next to nothing.

So, is VG banned or not?

I read the other link posted above where Saeed reversed his banning of the kid (which is still suspicious to me), and a post said that VG was banned.

I'd say this. I did often run across several of his posts but I must admit, I had never read all of the stuff he wrote in the first post of this thread.

Some call him a hatchetman. One thing I know VG and I disagreed on was shot placement. He's a lung guy, I go for the shoulder, and we both expressed these opinions many times over.

I might be wrong, but I do not recall VG ever flaming me about it. I know he doesn't like to ruin any meat as where it bothers me none.

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Originally posted by stillbeeman:
Sorry, I refuse to believe that a boy, no matter how socially inept, would, uninvited, go into a room of adults and begin to tell them how he wanted them to talk and act. Maybe that's the way he treats his parents but it's unacceptable outside of his home. To me, that sort of action from a child is rude! Very rude!

I agree wholoheartedly. In fact Saeed was actually correct in the ban the child from the beginning. Once again as stated earlier, this is this CHILD'S first post here. I don't aprreciate some young PUNK spewing forth insults, no matter how polite he appears to be.

Hunters are known to have colorful language, it goes with the territory. If you don't like it leave.

Frankly if this child can't take the language he needs to not read these posts and grow up before he goes to deer camp. If he were at any of the deer camps I've been at, he'd be told to go to bed! (Or piss off or frankly GFY!!!!)

The fact of the matter is the g__ d___ constitution allows us the freedom to say whatever the F___ we want (he he). And if you don't like it, ignore it....use your ignore button, don't start a thread about it, especially if it is your first thread.

Perhaps we need a kiddie section with GI Joe talk in it.

Saeed PLEASE DELETE THIS STUPID THREAD.

Perhaps we need a maturity test before we allow youngsters to post......this is horseshit!!

I'm not convinced that the kid in question even exists.

When I read the "post," it sure seemed articulate for a 14 year old. I kept going "hmmmm" while I read on.

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
buckshot wrote:

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just what was the boy's adult guardian thinking granting access to the web

buckshot-If you read the very first post, you'll see Dreamstohunt generally read over his Dad's shoulder and that when the content got bad, his father moved on or covered up the post. THAT'S what started this whole thread, I do believe.

Bobby, I believe my comment about Dreamstohunt's father is spot on. As Dreamstohunt said, "Sometimes, though, he covers up something or scrolls fast." Clearly the father's intent was to shelter the child and yet he let Dreamstohunt go forward with a controversial post. I say again, just what was he thinking?
"THAT'S what started this whole thread, I do believe."

Doc wrote:

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Saeed reversed his banning of the kid (which is still suspicious to me),

Oh, no!!! He's figured out the grand conspiracy.

So now we must all confess. See, it went down like this:

1. Saeed met this con-artist kid in a back alley after a tip from an "insider". Saeed asked if he wanted a job as a hatchet man.

2. He gave the kid a list of the posters he wanted banned and offered up a large pizza and $20 for every one that the kid could get booted.

3. Kid accepted the deal and went to work immediately.

4. Saeed boots kid as part of the original cover before proceeding with actual "ban."

5. At 2300 hours, Saeed, in clever disguise and after bribing a pizza hut delivery driver, delivers a supreme pizza with extra cheese and a $20 bill hidden beneath the crust to the con artist kid.

6. Part one of deal is DONE! Kid is getting hungry again. Who is next?