We often hear that the 260 Rem should have been designed like the Creedmoor?
Looking at the two cases, the notion makes absolute sense.
But, will the 6.5 Creedmoor kill the 260 Rem?
I suspect marketing plays as big role as rifle offerings and the availability of factory ammo.
I am curious to hear all opnions on this subject and what the future holds for these two cartridges.

Pieter

The 260 Rem was launched by Remington in 1997.
The 6.5mm Creedmoor was launched by Hornady in 2007.

Hornady claims that the Creedmoor was the first production cartridge ever developed from the ground up to be a TRUE match cartridge. Hornady is using Superformance in its line of ammunition. It loads the 120 grain GMX® and the 129 grain SST bullet. In addition to the Superformance load, Hornady offers the 6.5 Creedmoor in our Match™ ammunition, loaded with the 120 gr. A-MAX and the 140 gr. A-MAX bullet. Hornady A-MAX bullets feature revolutionary AMP (Advanced Manufacturing Process) bullet jackets.

The 260 Rem may not be as successful in the US, but has been one of the mainstays in Europe especially in the Scandinavian countries that offer factory rifles – e.g. Sako and Tikka.

Is Remington the only manufacturer of the 260 REM or is it also being offered by Winchester and Ruger?
Once a cartridge has been dropped from manufacturing, it spells the end.

Pieter

some people might argue that the PPC and BR cartridges preceded this one as designed for accuracy rounds by a couple of decades.

I have asked myself the same question; it might, and it will be due to marketing of the Creedmoor. It worked on me; I have a reamer on the way even though I have a 260 in the drawer and two barrel jobs lined up for it.

I just bought two .260's so my answer is no.

They are both excellent cartridges. Efficient, accurate, effective on game, and inexpensive to shoot. Essentially they are identical despite the huge advantages Creedmoor supporters boast. That said, they will both remain in the low end of popularity among the niche calibers few of the average hunters buy...or are even really aware of. The 6.5s have acquired enough of a hardcore shooter cult following to last in some form with all of the bigs keeping their name on at least one. Remington is trying to revive the .260 with an affordable 700 with an 8 twist and they are selling a bunch of them, as is Tikka. If anything the Creedmoor has brought a new awareness to the possibilities of the .260 to a lot of shooters. It will hang in there. And by the way, SuperPerformance works GREAT in the .260.

I find these new 6.5's interesting since they are essentially different versions of the same thing and don't offer any advantage to the in many ways better 6.5x55.

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Remington is trying to revive the .260 with an affordable 700 with an 8 twist

This is what Remington should have done in the first palce to match the cartridge with an 8-inch twist.

Which companies in the US make factory rifles for the Creedmoor?

Pieter

In my opinion no the Creedmoor will not replace the .260 Rem. The Creedmoor and the Lapua 6.5x47 both work well in a short action but the .260 is more suited to a long action. The .260 comes a little closer to the 6.5x55 in capacity.

They are all great cartridges and while all are similar they all have their own unique merits.

Joe

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Originally posted by Pieter die 4de:

Which companies in the US make factory rifles for the Creedmoor?

The one that currently has my interest is the Ruger Predator. Synthetic stock, threaded barrel, 22" barrel, 1:8 twist, adjustable trigger . . . and you can get one for under $400.

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We often hear that the 260 Rem should have been designed like the Creedmoor?
Looking at the two cases, the notion makes absolute sense.
But, will the 6.5 Creedmoor kill the 260 Rem?

It's hard to kill something that frankly didn't exist in the first place.

Wellllll.....ok...I went a bit far there.....I'm among the very few that owns a Winchester (featherweight) chambered in .260. It was a gift to my New Mexico guide last year so I no longer own it. I shortened the stock and his GF loves it.....

The .260 is simply a victim of timing....the .243 is king of the mountain and will not be supplanted. Far too many deer hunters know the value of the .243 and have no need to "upgrade". It would be a fun topic of discussio to ask what would have happened if Winchester had bought out the .260 instead of the .243.....but we can't change that.

To the OP's question.....will the Creedmore kill the .260?.....This ain't a David and Golliath thing.....it's more like David and smaller David battling it out.....and there really ain't much for spectators.....no one (well almost no one) really cares and in the end there won't be any mourners for the one that lost it's 1/10th of 1% of the market share.

This is unfortunate as both rounds are among the finest deer rounds available. I consider my 6.5 X 55 as the cream of the crop and the .260 Remington as it's full equal. That said, it (they) won't be missed at all......along with possibly a dozen (or more) others that came out with the sole purpose of selling guns, not improving the real selection we have in our hunting lodges.

No.....the Creedmore will not kill off the .260 Remington....it's going to take a more accurate round than the Creedmore to hit such a small target as the .260 Remington.

6.5 credmore is not allowed for biggame in Scandinavia .260rem is allowed but they are less often seen than a white moose. 6,5*55 is found in every hardwarestore.

Mmm Sako 85 carbonfibre stock 5p/2,37kg comes in .260 in a short action.

just like the 375 ruger was to kill the 375 h&h, or the 300 short mag was to kill the 300 win mag, etc etc etc

The 260 killed the 243 and 7-08 in my house. Best of both worlds....

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Originally posted by Joe Henderson:
In my opinion no the Creedmoor will not replace the .260 Rem. The Creedmoor and the Lapua 6.5x47 both work well in a short action but the .260 is more suited to a long action. The .260 comes a little closer to the 6.5x55 in capacity.

They are all great cartridges and while all are similar they all have their own unique merits.

Joe

The 260 Rem is a short action cartridge. Based on the 308 Win case, it always has been a short action cartridge.

With long loaded match bullets many magazines get tight with 260s.

With the sleek 123 gr Lapua Scenar bullets in the 260 Rem, which still offer a high BC, and at a velocity of 2900 fps, there is no magazine problem or bullets that are seated too deep. With 139/142gr bullets one has to seat the bullet deaper unforetunately, but that takes the magazine problem away, but at the cost of reduced velocity.

It is an ideal deer cartridge - enough bullet weight and enough BC when the 120 gr TSX bullet is used for a flat trajectory.

Pieter

The only way you can tell a 108 Scenar from a 123 Scenar is with a scale. IIRC, the 139 follows suit.

I am not a competitive shooter, so this may show my ignorance, but who cares if a 140 grain VLD fits in a magazine of a short action? Are you going to take 5 shots at 600 yards at your intended game? If you couldn't hit them standing still are you going to keep popping once they are on the move? A 130 grain Accubond fits nicely in the 260 magazine and stabilizes in the 9 twist. Quite deadly from 0-500 yards. Brilliant! The Creedmoor made the required design changes to satisfy the 10% of the 6.5 shooting bench rest crowd...yawn. Vapodog is dead on. Both are niche cartidges that are very good at what they are intended for, and in the long run very few (of the general shooting public) care for either.

Kissing the lands inside the box is a good place to start. You can still shoot a longer bullet at mag length, but searching for more accuracy leaves one direction.

Then there is case capacity.

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Will the 6.5 Creedmoor kill the 260 Rem

NO roger

I like Forbes/ultralite arms 2.9+" magazine solution. They both offer the 260 as well. Legendary arms works is offering both. Their mag length is 2.84".

You can use a 308 Length Model 70 action by removing the block from the magazine or make a new magazine which I did. That action is ideal for long throated 140GR VLD'S. I have already made one of these magazines for my daughters 260. The ID for that box is 3.070. You can take it 3.100 if you want. That makes that action perfect for the 257 Roberts, 6.5x55 and 7x57.

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that action perfect for the 257 Roberts, 6.5x55 and 7x57.

great idea.....among my favorite rounds!

I just wish I could get my 260 rem back from my girlfriend--I think she likes it more than she likes me--

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With the sleek 123 gr Lapua Scenar bullets in the 260 Rem, which still offer a high BC, and at a velocity of 2900 fps, there is no magazine problem or bullets that are seated too deep.

Berger launched a 130 grain VLD bullet that is very popular with the 260 Rem fans.

Bryan Litz, Chief Ballistician at Berger Bullets, states..... “This bullet was optimized for magazine length ammo based on the popularity of the 6.5mm cartridges in PRS competition.”

"This new bullet is made to be used at MAGAZINE LENGTH in your AR STYLE or bolt action rifle".

6.5mm cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5×47 Lapua, and 260 Remington are very popular for PRS competition shooters.

This bullet has a high BC of 0.569.

Go here for more info:

http://www.bergerbullets.com/n...hybrid-otm-tactical/

Pieter

Rifle Calibers – What The Pros Use
October 14, 2014

Well, the data is in for the 2014 “What the Pros Use!” For the past 3 years, we’ve collected data on the equipment the best precision rifle shooters are using. The Precision Rifle Series tracks how top shooters finish in major rifle matches across the country. The highest ranked shooters qualify to compete in the PRS Season Championship Match. This data is based on the gear those elite shooters used in 2014. For more info on the Precision Rifle Series and who these guys are scroll to the bottom of this article.

Rifle Calibers:

The previous couple years have shown a trend towards the 6mm caliber. Many were anxious to see if this was a fleeting fad, or a permanent evolution in precision rifles. 2014 gave a clear answer: 50% more shooters were using a 6mm than a 6.5mm. While there were a handful of competitors using a 7mm or 30 caliber in previous years, in 2014 100% of the top shooters were either using a 6mm or 6.5mm. Of the shooters who finished in the top 50 in the PRS, 60% were using a 6mm cartridge, and 40% were using a 6.5mm cartridge.

Pieter

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
You can use a 308 Length Model 70 action by removing the block from the magazine or make a new magazine which I did. That action is ideal for long throated 140GR VLD'S. I have already made one of these magazines for my daughters 260. The ID for that box is 3.070. You can take it 3.100 if you want. That makes that action perfect for the 257 Roberts, 6.5x55 and 7x57.

Sounds like another great product you could sell!
Matt

Ironically, both the .260 and the Creedmore were anticipated by the 6.5X54 Mauser, a little known cartridge chambered primarily in the Kurz action commercial Mausers.

I have a "6.5X.308", made by running a .243 Winchester reamer in a Japanese Arisaka 6.5X51 chamber. The 7.5" twist would stabilize anything I cared to put in it, and it made a nifty (and inexpensive) deer and varmint rifle.
Accurate, too. This conversion took place in 1958, when the wildcat was also known as the ".263 Express."

The 6.5×54 Mauser is not the same as the 6.5×54mm Mannlicher-Schönauer if I have it right. Perhaps someone can confirm?

Pieter

It is not the same. It is a shortened version of the 6.5X57 Mauser.

Well Matt the problem is the box I make requires the underside of the action to be modified to accept the retro fix box. Limiting the sales to less than zero I'm afraid

I have 3 260's and 1 Creedmoor. Personally, I prefer the 260 as I dont shoot 140gr or heavier bullets.That is the only place a creedmoor may have an advantage, but I would prefer my 6.5 284 for heavy 6.5 bullets. They both are cool little cartridges, just your personal preference. I like the fact I can use 308 based brass for reloading and Im not at Hornady's beck and call to use their expensive brass.

I've long been a huge fan of the 6.5X55. The .260 seems to be yet another Remington development that Remington has lost interest in.
I have to wonder just how much accuracy advantage the 6.5 Creedmoor would have over the 6.5X55 for long range target work in rifles of identical quality.

AT last we don't have to hear over and over again the 270 vs. the 30-06...Two new boys in the block, so for the next century or two? oh well!!! but again its just too close to call, and the deer can't talk.

I think that only time will tell if the 260 Reminton or the 6.5 Creedmoor will survive. For certain, one will not "kill" the other. I'm currently putting a pushfeed Win 70 6.5x55 through its paces for the upcoming hunting season. If a round really proves itself for over a half century, it may well " survive".

6,5*55 is 120 years.

I just wish that Lapua would make 6.5 Creedmoor brass. I'm holding off and hoping.

Oddly enough, since this thread began I have seen new .260 Rem rifles popping up all over. In shops I have never seen them before they are taking a chance that they will sell a few. The Tikka seems to be very popular along with the SPS and I have even seen a couple Sakos. Maybe all of the articles written about the Creedmoor that all seem to use the 260 as a comparison, are actually pumping some interest into the Remington version. We'll see in a couple of months if any of them have sold.

I will be surprised if any 6.5 will ever last long in the USA, unless history fails to repeat itself..The 6.5 and the .35 calibers don't have much of a track record in the USA.

The other problem is Remington is notorious about coming out with a caliber, and if sales are slow the quit making ammo for it and to hell with the buyer..The bean counting morans at work. It should be a felony to sell a caliber to us then dump it ala the fine littlel 5mm Remington. Winchester is no better..