quote:

There was always the choice for each of us to ignore those posts, to participate in them or to read them and glean what little knowledge was there and laugh at the epithets.

This place is a little less interesting now that even the choice to read or not has been taken away.

Same could be said about the "Small Game Forum" when sixgun sally chimmed in!

What the he** is wrong with this F***ing place? VG spewes his sh*t for 10yrs and some whiney little brat complains about having to ignore him, and then VG gets banned. Let me ask, how did the whiner get all of those quotes posted from VG if he had him on ignore, like he said?

I did'nt care for VG, but he should have at least been warned or something. I think the kid is a troll and did'nt show up to talk hunting, shooting, or even the reloading that hes starting to get into. He showed up to pick a fight.

quote:

Originally posted by Mickey1:
I just got back from spending a month in Cambodia and find out that a lot of people have been banned since I was last here.

ErikD
Johann
VG
Malm
Poletax

many others.

Any truth to this??
- mike

Mike,

The truth is that the kid was talking about using the ignore button so to avoid VG's posts. He then posted a list of VG's posts that could be considered pretty contentious.

When Saeed initially saw the kid's post, he banned the kid. Then, I assume when Saeed realized that the contentious posts were from VG, he banned him and reinstated the kid's account.

The kid never asked anyone to ban VG, he only pointed out that the Ignore Button would be a good idea for avoiding him. He did mention that VG is pretty contentious, and he wondered out loud if this was an asset for the forum. But that's about it.

if the notion of civility is too rough on you guys, then show your support for VG by boycotting this website for a couple months. Oh yes, please let us know ahead of time so we know you're gone!!
Anybody got the 'nads to PM or publicly post Saeed and demand that VG be brought back? Didn't think so...buncha whiners. Just spend a couple hours typing all of the quaint little vulgarities you hear in a week on the keyboard and send your self an Email. When you get it, just print it out and read it every morning when you get up. Better yet, print out the kid's post on VG-isms and post it on your desk at work. Even better, take it to church and post it along with your name on the bulletin board.

What is wrong with you people? This is Saeed's Website, not VGT's...Saeed sets the rules, not VG. He broke all three of the guidelines. You wouldn't tolerate anyone talking to your wife or mother or children like that.

The pro-VG posters are just confirming Psychology Today's recent article that stated that a large percentage of the population had a mental illness and really sick little part of their mind.

Men of character do not degrade their moral values and personal standards to fit in with whatever vulgar and obscene and downright rude and obnoxious group they may chance to encounter. Climb out of the gutter!

Rich
DRSS

quote:

What the he** is wrong with this F***ing place? VG spewes his sh*t for 10yrs and some whiney little brat complains about having to ignore him, so he gets banned. Let me ask, how did the whiner get all of those quotes posted from VG if he had him on ignore, like he said?

Based on VG below post from the original thread I would believe he and Saeed had one or more discussions>

"""Mr. Saeed has spoken directly to me regarding civility and I told him what I thought of that and, his uncivil recent remarks regarding the United States "occupation" of Iraq and Afghanistan.
We have differences - we spoke directly regarding them. Its called honest expression of differences - if you can't handle that type "conflagration" there little buddy maybe its best you be gone?
And maybe I will be right along behind you?
Most adults though do not shy away from differences of opinion - its a fact of life.
If my harsh words (often in response to others harsh words!) bothers your tender feelings there Dreamstohunt, thats a shame. I have never been known to dance around a "conflagration" or to avoid someone spreading untruth or distortion.
Thats just me.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy""""

quote:

Originally posted by Mickey1:
I just got back from spending a month in Cambodia and find out that a lot of people have been banned since I was last here.

ErikD
Johann
VG
Malm
Poletax

many others.

I heard Jeffeosso was also told to go sit in the corner for behaving like a twit.

The trouble with banning those you don't agree with is there is never an end. The standards just keep getting stricter and stricter.

Saeed and Don tell us to just use the ignore button. Easy enough. Until you put Saeed or Don on ignore and get banned for that.

The thing I find amazing is all of the guys jumping on VG now that he is gone. Where were your testicles when he was here? They must have been in the gunsafe being protected from theft.

Seems like a child stole them anyway.

Well, if uncivil behavior were the standard, then Jeffeoso is not the only moderator who would be gone, but at the very least, ErikD, Johann and Malm would still be on AR!

Being a new member I don't know VG or any of the others members that have been banned.

I do know that if I encounter a posting that is full of profanity and garbage I can choose to read it, or not. If it seems of no value, I just move on. No harm - no foul.

If the profanity and such was directed at me - again I can choose to respond or not.

IMO, a forum should be a place where everyone can voice their opinions.

From what I have seen so far - AR is the most tolerant forum out there.

People are getting banned on other sites just for disagreeing with other members - no profanity, no namecalling, or anything even remotely close to some of the stuff I have read on this forum.

IMO, Censorship is never a good thing because once it gets started you never know where it will stop.

quote:

Originally posted by toadhead:
Being a new member I don't know VG or any of the others members that have been banned.

I do know that if I encounter a posting that is full of profanity and garbage I can choose to read it, or not. If it seems of no value, I just move on. No harm - no foul.

If the profanity and such was directed at me - again I can choose to respond or not.

IMO, a forum should be a place where everyone can voice their opinions.

From what I have seen so far - AR is the most tolerant forum out there.

People are getting banned on other sites just for disagreeing with other members - no profanity, no namecalling, or anything even remotely close to some of the stuff I have read on this forum.

IMO, Censorship is never a good thing because once it gets started you never know where it will stop.

People are getting banned on other sites just for disagreeing with other members - no profanity, no namecalling, or anything even remotely close to some of the stuff I have read on this forum.

So do people here. ErikD, Johann, Malm and the half dozen or so Jeffeosso banned before he was shown the back door also.

Related thread about malm:

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/190107336

quote:

Originally posted by Mickey1:
So do people here. ErikD, Johann, Malm and the half dozen or so Jeffeosso banned before he was shown the back door also.

I don't think Jeffeosso has been banned at all.....and I doubt seriously that he has anything to do with banning people here as it appears that only DRG and Saeed can do this.

That may be true, but with impunity he incessantly provokes people to responses that get them banned.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
That may be true, but with impunity he incessantly provokes people to responses that get them banned.

500 grains is a poster I usually agree with on many topics.....but on this I must disagree as Jeffe never provoked me into a pissing contest or a name calling event.

Others did, I must confess, but while I disagreed with Jeffe occasionally It's always been on an academic level and not at all a personal level.

Just my 2 cents....I was a former Moderator on another site....its a thankless job. You can never keep everyone happy. The thing you may not be aware of is the countless PM and E-mails you get everyday from people complaining about something! As far as banning....there has to a point where there is some consequence for your actions! Banning is never a win-win propositon! But if you do nothing the inmates run the asilum.

Arrccod/Bill

mousegun wrote: "Let me ask, how did the whiner get all of those quotes posted from VG if he had him on ignore, like he said?"

--

Mousegun-Either you did not read the original post or else did not comprehend what you read.

What dreamstohunt actually wrote regarding activating the ignore feature was: "I will do so also."

More simply, that means he plans to do so. He NEVER said he already had VG on "ignore."

Well things have changed in the last few months. Here is what our Moderators had to say reguarding the "ShortMag" site.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=978102465#978102465

quote:

Originally posted by steve4102:
Well things have changed in the last few months. Here is what our Moderators had to say reguarding the "ShortMag" site.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=978102465#978102465

Steve,

I read that thread, and didn't see any comments by AR Moderators regarding the ShortMag site. Other people were blasting them, however.

George

Bad News Mickey 1,

just talked with Jeffe and he has not even been "talked to" about his conduct here. The only really rowdy incident he has had here was with 500 Grains and that was just two major herd bulls butting heads over twist rates. They agreed to bury the hatchet and that was the end of it. He just took a day or two off to go pig hunting and is headed back home now. He appreciates your opinion of his powers here, but he cannot ban anybody without convincing Saeed or George that it is in the best interests of the AR forum to do so.


NOTE TO ALL CONCERNED: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. No one on this forum should feed
they have the right to do so.

NEWS UPDATE, 4 March, 2007, 4:18pm, MST: VG is still banned!!!

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:

quote:

Originally posted by steve4102:
Well things have changed in the last few months. Here is what our Moderators had to say reguarding the "ShortMag" site.



<A HREF="https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=978102465#978102465%5B/URL%5D" TARGET=_blank>https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...2465#978102465</A>

Steve,

I read that thread, and didn't see any comments by AR Moderators regarding the ShortMag site. Other people were blasting them, however.

George

You are correct the moderators did not comment on the Short Mag site. They made comments about what is tolerated on the AR site. Here is a quote from Paul H (moderator).


Posted 01 November 2006 22:34 Hide Post
I've been on AR since the beginning, when there was only one forum, not the dozens we have now, I guess that's been nearly 10 years? For the early life of AR, there was no moderation, no moved threads, no deleted posts.

I miss those days, and will say that I'd rather posts don't get moved or deleted. All one has to do is ignore the trouble makers and they go away. If you con't control your desire to reply to such threads, it's not the fault of the posters.

The only post in the history of AR that I can think of that deserved to be deleted was Mike Boyd's nastiness to Saeed after Saeed had the generosity to provide a free safari, and Mike made a mess of things during the hunt, then lied about it and slandered Saeed. I

'd say asside from attacking the man that graciously provides this resource to us, free of charge and free of commercial interests, anything goes. That said, if you're an azz, don't be suprised if you get back 10 fold what you put out. And if everyone refrains from being azzes, everything runs much smoother

remember, no matter how cool you are, there is some woman out there who is tired of taking your crap!
What's the story behind your signature line? That's a bitter, caustic, blanket statement to make.

Rich
DRSS

My intuition is that VG chose to differ with Saeed, and whether it was VG's decision, or Saeed's, makes little difference.

(What do you imagine? Think Varmint Guy had some choice morsels about the United Arab Emirates?)

Still... count me among those who consider Varmint Guy's absence a loss to the forum.

He never attacked me, so that isn't for me an issue--was I just lucky?... was it because I chose enjoy his great experience and knowledge, and ignore our profound political differences?--but without Varmint Guy, the forum is a lesser place.

No one wrote with greater enthusiasm about the shooting sports.

As to profanity... don't they say sports build character?

I was a skinny geek in college, and went out for crew at UC Berkeley.

A cox. The skinny guy that steers the boat, and swears at the oarsmen.

Berkeley has a fine crew tradition, including, I believe, more Olympic Gold medals than any other university.

You want profanity?

I wouldn't post what our coach had to say about Stanford the night before the race.

What are we, a bunch of blushing maidens?

flaco

I will miss VG, aparantly he was warned about his behavior being offensive to some, it wasn't like the axe fell at once, at least so I have been told. maybe he can come back after he has had a timeout for a bit,

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Bad News Mickey 1,

just talked with Jeffe and he has not even been "talked to" about his conduct here. The only really rowdy incident he has had here was with 500 Grains and that was just two major herd bulls butting heads over twist rates. They agreed to bury the hatchet and that was the end of it. He just took a day or two off to go pig hunting and is headed back home now. He appreciates your opinion of his powers here, but he cannot ban anybody without convincing Saeed or George that it is in the best interests of the AR forum to do so.


NOTE TO ALL CONCERNED: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. No one on this forum should feed
they have the right to do so.

NEWS UPDATE, 4 March, 2007, 4:18pm, MST: VG is still banned!!!

Rich
DRSS

Rich

That is too bad. Jeffeosso could use a 'timout' to reflect on his behavior over the last few months.

Not sure I would consider him a Herd Bull. You are half right though. IMHO.

We seems to have three different groups of thought here:
1. Whats wrong with profanity and extreme rudeness? Real men do it all the time and aren't we real men?
2. Hey profanity is OK as long as the person saying it is knowledgeable and doesn't insult me.
3. (MY thought). Why use profanity at all? With a little thought one should be able to express oneself effectively without using gutter language. If this is the language you would use if talking to that person face to face then I don't want to hear it. If this is the language that you would not use face to face, but would use on the internet, then I still don't want to hear it.
Peter.

I can add nothing to Peter's post.

One Note: VG is still banned!

Rich
DRSS

I found these "forum rules" on savageshooters.com:
1. All members will treat one another with dignity and respect at all times. Any personal attacks, profanity directed towards, or other disrespectful acts will result in your being banned from the site.

2. Obscene language will not be tolerated. The first offense will get you a warning, the second a temporary ban (7 days), and the third offense will get you perminantly banned. This is a family site, so keep it clean.

3. Racial, ethnic or religous slander will not be tolerated and will result in your immediate ban from the site.

I posted it on the Suggestions forum. Perhaps if we clearly state the rules then we will remove the perceived "arbitrary" nature of the bannings. Of course, bannings could still be arbitrary!
Peter.

here's the terms of service for this site:

Welcome to the AccurateReloading.com forums. They are free, all we ask in return is you obey our three suggestions. We ask you be civil to your fellow members, refrain from posting pictures not related to hunting and shooting and do not spam our board. Thanks and enjoy. Saeed and Don

Nuff said

i usually make it a point to stay away from arguements, but i do miss VG's posts. he is a very active shooter with a great deal of knowledge to share. So are and were others. I do believe that a conversation could have eliminated much of the bannings, but that has been the demise of similar sites on the net. Now maybe this one too, maybe not. Ego's do get in the way of learning and sharing knowledge

quote:

I do believe that a conversation could have eliminated much of the bannings,

People tried, many, many times. He was asked privately and publicly to tone down the profanity. No-one took issue with his POV, just the way he chose to express it (make no mistake, what you type is a choice). In the end, Saeed tried and got told where to stick it. Given that this is Saeed's site and it is his choice what is acceptable behaviour, what else could he do?

I am at a loss as to why people think they have a right to post here in anyway they please, and everyone else be damned?

Everyone here is a guest on Saeed's website. If a guest of mine acted like VG did, I would have kicked him out of my home a long time ago.

My 2c CDN,
Canuck

quote:

All orignally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter...No great loss, unless you like people calling you names, etc for posting an opinion they disagreed with

quote:

No great loss, unless you like people calling you names, etc for posting an opinion they disagreed with.

quote:

The Bible simply says that you will be judged by the same set
of values you judge others by

quote:

So, if I do as the Bible commands and "..hate the sin but love the sinner..." I am in agreement with God, who
wants all to come to salvation but cannot be in the presence of sin. He loves us so much he gives all
of us the freedom to live our lives to suit us...or Him, and then allows us to suffer the consequences of our
actions at the time of our death.

quote:

Most of us have had a bad day where we might overreact and display poor taste to a particular post or poster

quote:

NOTE TO ALL CONCERNED: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. No one on this forum should feed
they have the right to do so.

Some very nice words Mr. Sharpshooter...too bad you dont practice what you preach. You should try leading by example. You are SO right, the Good Lord will sort us all out, and I hope you find the correct path.

quote:

Originally posted by Peter:
We seems to have three different groups of thought here:
1. Whats wrong with profanity and extreme rudeness? Real men do it all the time and aren't we real men?
2. Hey profanity is OK as long as the person saying it is knowledgeable and doesn't insult me.
3. (MY thought). Why use profanity at all? With a little thought one should be able to express oneself effectively without using gutter language. If this is the language you would use if talking to that person face to face then I don't want to hear it. If this is the language that you would not use face to face, but would use on the internet, then I still don't want to hear it.
Peter.

1. "Fckn-eh bubbah," Gus Grissum (?sp) to Gordo Cooper in "The Right Stuff."
2. Your g-d right- and I'm a physician, well said.
3. See No.1 & No.2

The bottom line is don't be venemous. And frankly, not all of us are choirboys ie a little tolerance goes a long way...

FMC,
1. That was a movie, again fantasy is the best place for vulgarity.

2. So, do you talk to your patients that way?

3. No one in the history of the world has ever enhanced their public image by vulgarity, rudeness, or gratuitious profanity. It simply is not the sign of an intelligent, or educated mind.

At least we know what side of common decency you stand on.

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

At least we know what side of common decency you stand on.

Rich
DRSS

C'mon Rich....just havin a little fun...couldn't resist.

As far as common decency is concerned I am tolerant of others, no matter their opinions, "religious" beliefs, or whatever "language" they may use. As long as I am left alone, I really don't care.

P.S. Radiologist- don't have to deal with patients......

quote:

Originally posted by Canuck:


People tried, many, many times.

May I ask, was conversation tried many times with everyone who was banned or just VG?

I know FMC...just giving you a hard time. Besides we ALL know what radiologists do on the side...

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I know FMC...just giving you a hard time. Besides we ALL know what radiologists do on the side...

Rich
DRSS

Got Me!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Canuck:


People tried, many, many times.

May I ask, was conversation tried many times with everyone who was banned or just VG?

I was talking specifically about VG, and the fact that I know a few of us (including me) tried many times to reason with him.

I don't know any details about the others.

I am glad VG is gone. His behavour and language was deplorable.

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
I am glad VG is gone. His behavour and language was deplorable.

I'll second that same thought, and add, as someone else suggested, boorish.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Canuck:


People tried, many, many times.

May I ask, was conversation tried many times with everyone who was banned or just VG?

500grains,

Sometimes you really amaze me with what you post on the forums.


Tell me, how many times have I asked YOU personally to PLEASE refrain from picking fights with others

How many times have I asked YOU to stop behaving as if you have been appointed the sole policeman for these forums?

You see what I mean when I say trying to reason with you does as much good as knocking one's head against a solid wall!