Hay Hot Core,
Thanks for the link. Like I said, I was literally only a few days away from driving to my local Gander Mountain to order a 8400 in 7mmWSM, when I read that thread and saw the accompanying photos. I then went to my dozen or so favorite websites to see what else anyone had to say about 8400/84Ms. I was so shocked by the number of negative 8400 and 84M posts, I desided NOT to by the 8400. Which realy bummed me out because I had my heart so to speek set on a 8400 in 7mm short mag. No one any where near me stocks Kimber rifles so I have to order one totally sight-unseen, so I am left with little choise but to not buy the Kimber.

Ive seen plenty of threads bashing Remingtons, but mine shoot great and Ive never seen pics posted about any remington like the ones I saw posted about the Kimber.

I have desided to go with the Remington Model Seven in SST/SYN as the same Gander Mountain has them on sale for under $500.

I have no pony in this race.

However, it seems to me that Bear Kodiak is just stating his opinion as is everyone else. And he is doing it in a logical non-abusive way and should be left to his opinions without insults.

We need reasonable poster here and he has passed the muster so far, IMHO.

I registerd at that netrifle shortmag site

I got a email conformation that "welcome you are now registered" bla bla... yesterday

Never even logged on yesterday.

Tryed this evening to log on. looks like Im banned already and never even got to log on.

Pretty funny!

I went there awhile back and asked a couple of questions about wildcatting off of the WSM case, within 3 posts I was told that I was "not following the guidelines" of the forum. I had no idea what he jerkoff moderator was talking about. We were having a discussion about wildcatting, someone mentioned barnes bullets and I talked about a hunt in which I used x-bullets and the moderator told me hunting stories were to be put somewhere else, I was getting "off topic"---- that place is a joke!!!

IV

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POP, I'm sorry you didn't find a little sarcastic humor in those few sentences, and your posting of the offensive white trash picture is also against this forum's policies of only posting pictures related to hunting and shooting. That doesn't leave much in the credibility department.
Paul H, I agree, it is CS. The only reason I responded is because I felt some of the statements to be out of line.

Wow after 4 posts he is now moderator here.

AlaskaCub, I post over there and have seen some of the debates and if he doesn't like whats going on he will delete a post. I'm not defending that site but he runs it his way and when you sign on he tell you he screens all incoming post and if approved he will post it other wise he will delete it. He tells you up front how he runs that site and so it's hard for me to fault him. I've had acouple post deleted and I knew they would be but I was trying to make a point to him and he e-mailed me back as to the reason. Lifes too short to sweat the small stuff

I got banned from the PERB on my first post. It's a badge of honour, I guess.

Hey Art, You are welcome.

When the "new" Kimbers first came out all I read about them was High Praise. So, I went to look at them myself.

The ones I handled gave every indication that they were indeed well made. Termite Food to Rusting Blue fit was excellent and the Blue did have a fine appearance. The "trigger" felt great as it has on every Kimber I've ever handled. It looked like someone loved the M70 Winchesters, took what they considered the good features, and simply manufactured them with High Quality. This was before their S&S Montana model was available.

Then time passes and all of a sudden I also began to see comments about the Kimbers having various problems. I didn't think much about the first couple of comments because of the people who made them and that I never expected them to always make perfect never-flawed firearms.

But it does seem like there is an abundance of problems with them at the current time, if you go looking for them. I'd say that is also true for every firearm made, someone always finds a problem, whether it is real or not.

That particular "warp" on the Kimber is indeed quite bad. That is why I bothered to save it. I seriously doubt it looked like that leaving the factory, but Termite Food does occasionally do strange things.
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I have a good many S&S M7s. One thing that concerned me when I got mine was the "woosie" amount of Recoil Lug Bedding. It looked like someone got ready to do it, got called away in a hurry and then forgot to complete the job.

Bothered me a good bit, but I cleaned up the rest of the rifle, adjusted the trigger, and mounted the scope. I always like to Test Fire the rifle before giving the manufacturer a hard time. Well, it shot great! Just as it was, with no additional Bedding needed or necessary.

Huuummm, got another S&S M7 and noticed the same thing about the Recoil Lug Bedding. But this time I just smiled to myself. It also shoots great with no need to do any Bedding adjustments.

Now I have a good many M7s and really enjoy "carrying" them as well as shooting them. Doesn't mean you will get a "perfect rifle", but my experience with them sure has been positive.
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Hey Bear Kodiak, Welcome Aboard!

This Board does take a bit of getting used to, because the folks that run it allow most folks to speak their minds. When you disagree with fools, they generally move on over to 24hour where they can kiss-up to each other, and express their ignorance without "offending" each other.

You can even disagree with folks who's opinions you respect on this Board. And occasionally they get a bit testy. But there is ALWAYS room for disagreement here. And as time passes, those who remain learn to disagree with each other in a civil way.

Well...., except for the (rag) M70 fans, and they are not to be trusted or believed about ANYTHING!

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Originally posted by craigster:

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Originally posted by Tumbo:
Here is the address of the new site.

http://www.netrifle.com/forum1/default.asp

The moderator is very oppinionated, I told him where to go after he deleted one of my posts.

Thanks for the link. I think I'm gonna register just so's I can rattle his cage.

I'm working to register to I can rattle his cage. He's a "rule freak" -- You should read his list of "terms."

Moderators screen everything posted. That must be tedious! Also, he won't provide registration to web-based email services -- despite the fact that he probably can't distinguish some of them.

(I don't use an ISP based email -- because it's just a "spam magnet." We disabled that account years ago.)

So I'm getting out my "fuck stick" and getting ready to poke around. *LMAO*

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Originally posted by vapodog:
This is one of the most obvious reasons AR fares so well.


It's not really like that any more. There have been quite a few posts deleted lately.

Expressed as a percentage deleted of total overall posts on the whole site I am sure the number is actually very small compared to others.

I am sure there are plenty of other sites out there that would appreciate your antagonistic wisdom 500 grains.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
This is one of the most obvious reasons AR fares so well.

It's not really like that any more. There have been quite a few posts deleted lately.

Just to bring facts to bear, very FEW posts are deleted, though lots get moved to the misc forum, when they have no bearing on the topic at hand. One thread I remember being pulled was a guy posting about elextrocuting his neighbor's dogs... Who, in the rational world, would defend that activity or posting about it?

Lots of USERS, however, choose to delete/revise their own posts, which has NOTHING to do with "AR" formally, as that is a member's ability and choice.

I recall less than 5 in the last year... though quite a bit more have been moved to misc, where they can be found and they belong

Just the facts, man

jeffe

I've been on AR since the beginning, when there was only one forum, not the dozens we have now, I guess that's been nearly 10 years? For the early life of AR, there was no moderation, no moved threads, no deleted posts.

I miss those days, and will say that I'd rather posts don't get moved or deleted. All one has to do is ignore the trouble makers and they go away. If you con't control your desire to reply to such threads, it's not the fault of the posters.

The only post in the history of AR that I can think of that deserved to be deleted was Mike Boyd's nastiness to Saeed after Saeed had the generosity to provide a free safari, and Mike made a mess of things during the hunt, then lied about it and slandered Saeed. I

'd say asside from attacking the man that graciously provides this resource to us, free of charge and free of commercial interests, anything goes. That said, if you're an azz, don't be suprised if you get back 10 fold what you put out. And if everyone refrains from being azzes, everything runs much smoother.

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Originally posted by Bear Kodiak:
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POP, I'm sorry you didn't find a little sarcastic humor in those few sentences, and your posting of the offensive white trash picture is also against this forum's policies of only posting pictures related to hunting and shooting. That doesn't leave much in the credibility department.

Look dude, I am a Master Sergeant in the USAF. I roam the boards to share my knowledge, to learn, to air my opinions and generally to have a good time. I am well known , dare to say respected, and even a moderator in Noslerreloading .com. If I want to have some power hungry individual say that my opinion or my experiences do not match his I can generally get that from some few people in my line of work without having the option or luxury of walking away!
So if ----for instance--- he deletes my post because I am using a 3x9 Burris because he deems it unsafe due to lack of his minimal standards for eye relief, then I really do not need to be on that site. Basically screw that! Now the guy never did anything to me personally if the others' reports are correct then screw that site.

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opps wrong reply. soory gang

I signed up there the other day. So far so good I have not got in trouble. Not trying to but I will speak my mind. It is not that great of a forum so far though.

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Originally posted by Bear Kodiak:
No, I didn't sign up just to badger this forum. Read my post with some comprehension, and it will state that this is not an attempt to attack either you personally or this site. I just don't spend a lot of time on the computer and don't know of many forum sites. When I saw this thread, I just thought I might investigate a little further and get some feedback. Ultimately, it is his opinion and his judgement that matters because it is his site. If that pushes your buttons too far then stay away, I guess. You also have to determine whether you are recieving advice or an opinion. The two do differ. The advice I have recieved on that forum has been wonderful. The opinions there, not just Moderators, don't always reflect my personal experiences either, but I never argue based on opinion alone, that's a waste of time. Thanks for the input and replys. If it's not your place to hang then don't hang there. I personally have not seen the lack of opinions expressed or just one sided, Moderator biased, conversations occurring there. I pick my battles. This is not a battle by the way. In general, obey the rules or don't play. I can live with that most of the time. As far as bogus, opinion, and factual, facts are just that, they are supported by eviedence not based on opinion or belief. It's bogus that you got kicked off for no reason. It's my opinion that you violated the rules while posting. It's fact that you were removed because of doing so.

Bear. Why don't you come out of the closet and admit you are Blue Sky pulling the same old bullshit over on 24 Hour campfire. You spout the same old crap over there, damn near word for word.
Like I told you over there, foriums are for discussing ideas. Neal, AKA MODERATOR allows absolutely no dissent from his way of thinking. You disagree and he kicks your ass out. Well, go back and stick your nose up Neal's ass. I'm sure he's getting lonely.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by Paul B:


Bear. Why don't you come out of the closet and admit you are Blue Sky pulling the same old bullshit over on 24 Hour campfire. You spout the same old crap over there, damn near word for word.
Like I told you over there, foriums are for discussing ideas. Neal, AKA MODERATOR allows absolutely no dissent from his way of thinking. You disagree and he kicks your ass out. Well, go back and stick your nose up Neal's ass. I'm sure he's getting lonely.
Paul B.

OUCH!

I haven't been here from the beginning but I've been here a long time. Member since '01 and lurker since '98. I have to agree with Paul H.
I don't see as much civility anyplace as I use to. I was remarking about it to a friend on the KnifeForums. That place has changed a lot too. People come and go. Nothing stays the same.

Gentlemen. I must apolgize for my remarks made to Bear Kodiak to the members of this forum, although not to Bear Kodiak.
I just feel that when too many people on this forum and on 24 Hour campfire have told him the same thing, and he still doesn't get it? Maybe he's the MODERATOR aka Neal, who knows? matter of act, who cares?
Paul B.

Hey craigster, don't be dissin' rocket surgeons. I hear they far and few between!!

Short Mag won't validate my registration because I use a web based email. You'd be a jerk not to use web-based email. My ISP email got "disabled" years ago when it became a "spam magnet."

I have better things to do than wrestle with swine.

Why post here about another forum? When someone does it I feel it takes away from the credibility of the forum it is posted on, not about. Off topic and in bad taste.

quite a rules list...yuo'd have to print it out and thumbtack it to the wall next to the computer to remember what not to say...I think I'll just stay here and annoy dan.

Rich
DRSS

"Why post here about another forum? When someone does it I feel it takes away from the credibility of the forum it is posted on, not about. Off topic and in bad taste."

Equally bad or worse taste to dig up a post that died a month ago for you to lecture others...

Used to spend some time on Shortmags up until they changed the forum rules and took out powder charge info. etc.
Can't be bothered now as I just found the moderator a pain in the ass . Never had any posts deleted but just got bored .

I haven't been to Short Mags for a couple of years (except a few minutes ago to see if my registration still worked)

I got a good feel for what powders were working for the 300WSM I was starting to work with from the site. I guess that info isn't posted there anymore.

I quit checking for three reasons. They didn't want long range shooting discussions. The site has an anti-Savage bias and my rifle was a 12-BVSS. But mainly because the board does not get enough traffic to get a timley answer.

I went to savageshooters.net and found good info from knowledgable people who specialized in Savage rifles.

There are several long range shooting and hunting sites that had other info I needed.

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Originally posted by AlaskaCub:
I have read on different forums about the problems guys have had with the Moderator over at that forum and just had the most ridiculous thing happen to me. I replied on a forum about a Kimber Montana with accuracy issues and I got into a debate with the Moderator about what is to be expected with the purchase of a $1000+ dollar rifle and that it appeared that Kimber has had some QC issues. Now keep in mind I have a brand new one that I like a lot.The friggin jerk deletes my post and then sends me an email stating that I should quit wasting peoples time? Man if you dont agree with that guy he just deletes your post rather than have you prove him wrong. Talk about censorship. Theres some knowledgeable guys over there but that guy is a jerk!

Mate I'm hearing-ya.He did the same sorta thing to me.

Sounds to be a control-freak if you ask me

Cheer boys,awesome forum.

It's no secret that the shortmag site sucks.

I have not spent much time on there but since I found this thread I joined and so far have had no trouble. He has some stupid rules though.

LOL,the mod didnt like the fact that my wife shot a deer with a Berger 185 VLD either.Deleted my post,although he left the picture of the deer in the "test" section.Might have to see if I can get away with modifying it a bit.

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Man if you dont agree with that guy he just deletes your post rather than have you prove him wrong. Talk about censorship.

Jeez, he must be a member of Congress......

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Originally posted by AlaskaCub:
Paul B, now thats funny as hell. 3 hours and you got the boot. Its apprarent that he doesn't want people with experience and an opinion on that site.

Gee, I wish I had some experience with the shorties, so I could sign up over there and be able to give an informed opinion on something.....