It may be that the moderator of this forum may move this thread to a different location. However in light of a thread in the American Big Game Forum of the recent past and the thread about 22-250 Barnes or partitions in this forum, I thought I might pose the question, are head shots on hogs and vermin ethical (maybe even moral).

In that spirit I'll confess, I do take head shots on hogs.........



tactical 20, 40 gr. v-max at +/- 3,750 fps.







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GWB

LOL....Now this should be an interesting thread.

Damn!

I don't often take head or neck shots, but if one has the skill, patience and the equipment to get it done, they are extremely effective.

These 2 meat hogs had their craniums emptied by a Hornady SP:


These 2 sows were taken with neck shots using the 7mm Bullberry:



This little piggie had 129 grains of sweet nothings whispered into its ear from the relatively long range (for me, that is) of 270 yards:



This buck was taken with a neck shot at a lasered 195 yards:

Here's another brain-dead piggie. In looking back through some photos, it seems I take the head/neck shot on the smaller sanimals, perhaps subconsciously trying to preserve the meat. But in the field, I really don't give it that much thought as instinct takes over once something is in the crosshairs and I take the best/most humane shot afforded by the quarry.

Bobby. I like the method to your madness.

You Texas guys amaze me...

you can take head shots on animals and kill them..

in Oregon, we take headshots on something, and all it did was turn them into Democrats who voted for Obama...

A few.....

Bob, that was a west Texas feral "hog" nose rattle snake wasn't it? Please tell me you didn't shoot him/her at a corn feeder but that you took it "fair chase" Oh yeah, was that a head shot or a neck shot. Can't really tell from here!
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GWB

GW,

That first hog pic. Did you hit him straight on or from behind? That is just amazing damage from such a small bullet.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
LOL....Now this should be an interesting thread.

Yes it is. Shows some fine looking BBQ Kits ready to prepare.
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Hey GW, At the risk of sounding confrontational(which I feel sure this thread was in no way intended ), Shooting a Hog in the Head just isn't the same as shooting a Whitetail Deer in the Head.

Having read a few of your posts, I now understand why you think it would be the same. It is spelled Rookie!

Right-t-o!

Yo' the man HC

thanks for gracing this thread with your beneficence. After all, it is but a tribute to your wisdom, tolerance, good will and encouragement to all who post here.
GWB

For Hot Core to call GWB a rookie is akin to calling Bill Gates a pauper. GWB doesn't flaunt around threads claiming to have killed "many thousands of deer" as Hot Core has.

GWB hunts and posts pictures of his success. THe PROOF is in the pudding.

I've yet to see a single photo of anything HC has killed, whether it be legally or "from the hood of a jeep moving slowly though a creek bed" as he (HC) has admiited to doing.

In HC's own words, that is both "pitiful and pathetic."

Greedubya

The hog in that first picture doesn't look dead enough!!!!!!!!!

How you Texas lads manage to make all these head shots on these hogs with their quick moving heads is amazing. Perhaps you could conduct some seminars in other parts of the county, say....................

40 grain at 3,750 fps does do some damage. Thanks for the photos.

Geedubya has a newly acquired pig splatterer and if he should shoot a porker in the head there will be extremely dead. Geedubya, I have chrony'd those 240gr Hornadys at 2400...Rusty is the witness--it was his chrony!

Happy Huntin'

Andy

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
thanks for gracing this thread with your beneficence. After all, it is but a tribute to your wisdom, tolerance, good will and encouragement to all who post here.
GWB

Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Forgot to mention earlier how nice it is to see that bobbee has decided to take some kids Hunting with him. I can tell by the flicks which were obviously taken by someone in the 2nd or 3rd grade. But, hopefully unlike bobbee, the kids will learn.

If any of you have a 1st grader, perhaps you could allow him to take 5min out of his busy day and teach bobbee how to string a Recurve.

Anyone have any headshots from Afghanistan?

Not here,
I typically limit my head shots to a more reasonable distance, usually 200 yds or less if I have a good rest.


GWB

Oh...it happens on occasion.



This guy had a headache that needed a 117gr. Robert's Advil.

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Anyone have any headshots from Afghanistan?

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GW's response:
Not here, I typically limit my head shots to a more reasonable distance, usually 200 yds or less if I have a good rest.

Smooooooooth.

Sorry....no photos....but two years ago I had a mule deer buck think he was hiding in a plum thicket. He was clear as a bell and the deer thought he was invisible. Through the (cranked up) 9-power scope he looked like a perfect target and I just happened to have a rest almost as good as a bench rest.....so I set the cross hairs of the 6.5 X 55 directly between the eyes and squeezed carefully.....At the report the buck merely slumped.....shot right where the cross hairs were! Distance was roughly 200 yards!

Head shots are the norm for squirrels....but this was my first (and probably only ever) on deer or other big game. It was a shot I couldn't refuse!

Memory serves me here....I did shoot a small deer in the head many years ago.....I was sitting on a tree stump in Wisconsin with my .375 H&H.....a small doe walked right up to me and placed it's nose less than two inches from the muzzle to smell it. We needed camp meat....I just couldn't resist!

Sorry for the gore.

P-dog hunt 2 years ago, 222 at about 60 yards.


By coachsells at 2008-08-30

Ed

Even some of these carcasses pictured have more thinking material above the shoulders than the individual this thread is dedicated to: the one, the only, the never-can-be-wrong-cause-I'm-always-right Hot Core, who claims to have killed "many thousands" of deer (and hasn't shown a single shred of proof) and resorts to childish name-calling when he has nothing substantial to offer (which is 99 percent of the time ).

And how about your elk hunting experience??? You call anyone using a .270 Win on elk "STUPID" and yet it turns out you have never hunted one. Probably never owned a .270, either -- and it's likely you never even killed a deer other than in your vivid and colorful imagination...

Heck, you can't even figure out which .22 caliber projectiles are frangible and least likely ro ricochet and have to ask the board for help on this SIMPLE, SIMPLE subject. And yet you offer TONS of .22 caliber advice and have strong opinions -- and not an OUNCE of EXPERIENCE -- on .22 centerfires as well.

So come on, Hot Core. You've insulted and/or offended just about everyone on this board. Want to try for a few more while you're at it?

I'll understand if it takes you some time to respond, HC. It's after dark, so I figure you may be hunting "from the hood of a moving jeep" again as you once mentioned doing in another thread here on AR.

I started this thread and I think it has served its purpose.

I have no particular animus toward Hot Core. In fact up to a week or so ago, I've never paid much attention to him or his posts. I did find a couple of threads about his elk hunting experiences to be mildly amusing. However,I thought his treatment of Eland Slayer to be distasteful, so I thought a little lampooning and derision might be in order. I'm done.

I'll make one more admission. I've never tried, or made a head shot on a deer. I've only been on one "cull" deer hunt. The three deer I shot on this cull were shot with neck or high lung shots. The folks that invited us made no restrictions on shot placement. They just wanted a certain number of deer shot.

If deer or any other animal are overpopulating an area, and their number has to be controlled, and or culled, then in essence they are vermin, like mice or roaches. I don't much trouble myself with the ethics of disposing of vermin.

What I do decry is a person that makes a personal attack on a young hunter, questioning his ethics, morality and integrity for asking a question about "culling", and said individual unequivocally stating that if anyone doesn't ascribe to his orthodoxy when it comes to bullet placement on game, the shooter is unethical or even immoral.
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GWB

TOOK THESE DOWN
WITHOUT REQUEST .

Geedubya wrote:

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What I do decry is a person that makes a personal attack on a young hunter, questioning his ethics, morality and integrity for asking a question about "culling", and said individual unequivocally stating that if anyone doesn't ascribe to his orthodoxy when it comes to bullet placement on game, the shooter is unethical or even immoral.

Very well said...

And that, GWB, is Hot Core to a tee. There is another thread entirely in which a large number of members here have voiced their dismay with his behavior. His attack on Dr. Ken Oehler, for instance, became so rabid that Saeed had to step in and say "enough."

HEAD SHOTS ARE CLEARLY NOT EFFECTIVE AND A BAD IDEA.

all kidding aside these represent about 1% to 8% in any given year. they are not a stunt just all that was available and work just fine but not the right shot very often. these are just pictures sence the digital camera .

CRUSHER-

Nice gator, by the way...

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
His attack on Dr. Ken Oehler, for instance, became so rabid that Saeed had to step in and say "enough."

Now bobbee, you know that is a total Lie. Saeed never even entered the thread. Dr. Oehler and I had the finest discussion about the non-calibrated, guessed at dimension, wire wrapped, worthless outside a Lab, Haphazard M43 in this thread. I found it interesting that Dr. Oehler decided to totally remove the M43 from Sales - outside of Certified Test Labs - shortly after that very civil discussion.

If anyone looks to the thread, you will notice Dr. Oehler described the Strain Gauge Systems (outside of a Lab) as Haphazard. I agreed with him then and still do today.

It is always easy to disagree with fools like bobbee who tell a lot of Lies.

HC-You know good and well that is NOT the discussion I was referring to. When I get back this evening, I will look it up and post it.

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By the rookiee:
I have no particular animus toward Hot Core.

You are full of them here lately.

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What I do decry is a person that makes a personal attack on a young hunter, questioning his ethics, morality and integrity for asking a question about "culling", and said individual unequivocally stating that if anyone doesn't ascribe to his orthodoxy when it comes to bullet placement on game, the shooter is unethical or even immoral.

And your memory is as bad as bobbee's.
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Here is my first post to the thread you are blow-harding about:

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:
Do any of you have a particular .223 factory load that you prefer for shooting whitetail does in the head? ..

This is really a bad concept. A Deer's head tends to move "randomly" without any predictable timing sequence.

There is not enough meat wasted with Shoulder-to-shoulder shots to concern anyone.

I'd strongly discourage anyone from attempting Head Shots on Deer.

Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills.
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Note that NONE of what you said or implied is even remotely true. I did resopnd to the ignorance of duggaboyee later on, but that had nothing to do with Eland Slayer.

Fortunately, you can try your best to distort the Truth, but it is right here for everyone to see who is telling the truth and who is fabricating Lies. Pitiful and Pathetic!!!
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Hey bobbee, Perhaps this is the link you are trying to find.

HC-

Were you not just given a warning to behave yourself by the site administrator (DRG) in the reloading forum?

And yet you keep, though you have been busy lately deleting many of your vulgar, name-calling posts. (Of course, just because YOU delete them does not mean thery are permanently gone... )

Here's hoping you soon join the ranks of VG and others who just couldn't follow the rules of simple civility here on AR.

bobbiee, That was the thread you were looking for wasn't it?

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
HC-Were you not just given a warning to behave yourself by the site administrator (DRG) in the reloading forum?

Nope - WRONG again as usual.

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And yet you keep, though you have been busy lately deleting many

Still WRONG - in the continuing bobbee fabricated way.

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Here's hoping you soon join the ranks of VG and others who just couldn't follow the rules of simple civility here on AR.

Nope, not going anywhere. I'll be right here ready to call your total stupidity and Lies whenever I see them.

I know posting anything intelligent or the truth makes it difficult for FOOLS like you, but that is just the way the old cookie crumbles. I feel sure that is the same reason "you" are glad to see VG gone - he called you on your total Lies and never ending bologna.

Yes, it would be great to have VG back, but he did not want to follow the Rules of the Board with his language. Darn shame he couldn't control it because he had more excellent first-hand shooting information to share than all you wannabes(like bobbiee and the rookiee) combined.

Slow learner.....very slow learner.

Hey, HC. You lied again when you denied being warned to shape up. Actually, DRG had to warn you TWICE in the same thread.

Can't remember???

Since you so conveniently seem to forget facts, see if this refreshes your memory:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2511043/m/7971090631

VG was dumped because of his abusive language DIRECTED at individuals. I remember the thread that was the straw very well. A newbie had the audacity to question VG. And VG came back with the usual abusive "I've been reloading for 150 years and shooting longer than that and I've owned thousands of rifles in the calibre in question and you don't know shit compared to me." Well, the newbie didn't flinch but gave VG a dose of his own medicine. So much so that Saeed banned the newbie. Several other posters asked Saeed to review the post and his decision. He did and sent VG packing. I was there.
And that is the rest of the story.

Why don't you and the folks that you strike sparks with, put a mark on the calendar and call it DAY ONE and start fresh???

I shoot several hundred deer a year in the head.

weapon of choice is a Sako 75 Varmint Laminate Stainless 243 using 70gr Nosler Ballistic Tips.

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
Hey, HC. Can't remember???

Since you so conveniently seem to forget facts, see if this refreshes your memory:

Actually, I'd not seen that thread where Don gave me the old " and " for telling it like it is. Kind of hard to know something exists if a person hasn't seen it. But, perhaps bobbiee has the ability.

Where is the thread you were blow-harding about concerning, my buddy, Dr. Oehler???

The following statement is in 100% compliance with the thought-police:

Talk about a bad idea for a thread!

A thread with gruesome photos of headshot animals and guys bragging about it. Even holding pistols to their already dead heads.

The Leftist, anti-gun, anti-hunter's dream.

I've never seen a more irresponsible group of people like you all. With the way things are politically today, we all need to watch our "p's" and "q's. The future of our sports, hunting, fishing, shooting depend on us to carry them on.

Goobers!

R,

Opinions are like noses, everyone has one and most of them smell.(nice version)

You've expressed yours, here is mine (respectfully)

Betcha don't go on planned parenthood websites and decry the killing of unborn humans do ya? Betcha don't picket abortion mills!

However ya bemoan the fact that some anti might get offended at the sight of dead animals. Get over it.
They are friggin' animals.

This is a website devoted to the shooting sports, hunting "killing" game etc.

If the moderator thinks it is over the top I'm sure he will delete the thread and admonish the folks that he considers to have crossed the line. To date he has not seen fit to do that. Perhaps if you complain vociferously enough he will.
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GWB