Was wondering what you fellows think about the 458/416 Ruger wildcat.

I made a dummy round and took some measurements. Do any of the experts out there think the shoulder
is sufficient? Hear anything as to the possibility of Ruger making it a factory round?

The Dummy round was made from a once fired 416 factory round. The shoulder shows .5170" and the outside
neck measures .4820" with a .458 bullet seated which gives a shoulder .0175" on each side.




For comparisons the first picture shows a 458/416, 416 & 375 Rugers.

The second a 458/375 RUM, 458/416 Ruger, 458 Lott & 458 Win.

The .458 caliber is certainly safe on the .375/.416 Ruger case with a 0.0175" per side shoulder.

The 10.75x68 Mauser cartridge was released around 1911, it was designed and is manufactured with a 0.0135" per side shoulder, and has safely functioned for 90+ years.

If you want a similar wildcat cartridge with a larger diameter shoulder then I'd recommend Jeff's .458 Accurate Reloading (aka: .458 AR, aka: .458 AccRel) cartridge.

Thank you Sir,

That's good too know.

Now if Ruger comes out with it before I get
the urge to have one made I'll be happy.

I definitely would buy one if Ruger came out with it. I currently have a .395 Max, which is the .375 Ruger case necked up to .395 (don't ask). The .458 would be the big guy that I need/want/desire.

If Ruger brought out a left handed 458 on their 416 Ruger case I believe I would have to jump on that bandwagon. I like.

Mart

OOPS! Like mart, I'd like mine in a lefty too. Although, I do have a lefty in .300WMag that I'd swap barrels on in a heartbeat.

OK,if we're talking wants now, I want 2 Ruger Alaskan's. One in 458/416 Ruger and the other
in 30 or 338/375 Ruger with a 22" Bbl.

I have always wanted a 35 Newton or 35/375 Ruger, although I think it will be a cold day before that happens.

it will work, with a headspace not unlike my 470 AccRel -- look in my signature for the 458 and 470 -- same concept, though the cases are larger and charger...

the 426 ruger obviates my 416 AccRel

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Originally posted by Colt Commander:
Was wondering what you fellows think about the 458/416 Ruger wildcat.

The Dummy round was made from a once fired 416 factory round...

For comparisons the first picture shows a 458/416, 416 & 375 Rugers.

I'm thinking this would be the perfect cartridge chambered in a properly setup Browning BLR take-down lever rifle.

I almost did that wildcat a few years ago.
Posted pictures of it here too, dummied up with the (don't ask) .395, .416, .423, and .458 beside the .375 Ruger.
Before there was a .416 Ruger SAAMI-ed.
Thought it would be the ultimate magic wand to charm big beasts.
I was saved from it by the acquisition of a .458 B&M,
which can be made even smaller and lighter for magic wand use.

L to R, .375, .395, .416, .423, and .458 Ruger Cats:

this should be a neat DG cartridge. I am in process on a 458 UltraMag as I type.

I like the idea of moving the shoulder back and having a long neck say a .7" neck for cast bullets with gas checks. This would add a few thou on the shoulders as well.