Ok, follow me into my madness.

I read about people turning Marlin 336 35 Rem's into low preasure loaded 358 Win.

So following that logic one could make a low preasure rimless version of the 444 to work on a 336 right?

The conversion would be as simple as using 444 dies and reamer and a rebarrel from what I can see.

So if that is doable why not also making a straight cased 35 Rem to a 44-35 Rem AKA 435 Rem? 200 to 400 grain bullets loaded to under the Marlin XLR's max PSI of 43K (I think that is correct)

Any flaws here besides madness?

You're really on a lever action wildcat lately arent you BS? lol But, it sounds like it could be a winner. Lands somewhere between a 44 mag and the 444

Yes... I am on a Marlin 336 kick. They are cheap and plentiful. I was thinking the 435 Rem could pick up where the 35 Rem leaves off. The ideal weight for the 35 Rem is 200 grains and opening up to .430 you can go from 200 up to 400 grains to get Rem factory 45-70 balistics of 405@ 1600, 300@ 2000 or 200@ 2300.

Oh, actualy if you truly wanted to max out a 336 35 rem a 45 (.451")on a 6.5x55 casehead would be it. Maybe use 460 S&W dies and reamer.
If you started with a 30-30 you could use the 460 S&W brass but not loaded so hot. Seat the bullet out another .25"

wouldnt that just give you about 45LC power though? that seems like a lot of work when Puma's are only 450$ in 45LC

Boomie & MileHigh,

Take a look at the JD Jones line of wildcats based on the 444 Marlin and 30-30 cases.

Rich
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I was thinking pistol bullets. the JDJ only goes up to 416 then 950!!!

44 bullets are lower in SD and higher priced than .358 bullets...

40-38, basically a 10MM bren in a lever gun, uses pistol bullets...

you can buy a 45LC puma stock, and have better bullets...

what problem does it solve?

I am talking about a roughly 2" case. Double the 10mm and 45LC

A straight cased 451 would be neet for getting old school 45-70 velocities in a Marlin 336

45-70 bullets could even be resized.

OK from the pics above you see the 44 mag and the 35 Rem share the same casehead. Same principle applies to the 6.5x55 and the 45 colt/454 cassul/460 S&W

A few more Marlin 336 maxing ideas...

Cut the 240 WBY off at 2" and stuff with a 44 bullet (.432)
This is another zero taper idea but has a belt to headspace vs casemouth so a crimp can be applied. Kinda like a mini 450 marlin. The 240 is basicly a belted 35 Rem/44 mag so can be loaded to identical pressure. Easiest case in the world to form. It can be necked to 410 as well with taper but hey... GO BIG!

400 whelen 2" use 35 rem brass and the 400 whelen reamer to 2"

400 hawk 2" use the 06 brass and the 400 Hawk reamer to 2"

Both of the above 400's can be crimped as well obviously.

Glad I could help lol BUT, is a 44 bullet going to fit? I know there is a bit of taper, but even straight walled wouldnt you end up with a bit of a bulge where the bullet was sat? Now with .40 cal pistol bullets, you have something interesting and still cheap to load.

The worst "case" scenario is neck reaming for the .432" bullet. Interesting note is the casehead of the 240, 35 Rem and 44 mag is the same and the length of parallel sideded case in front of the belt of the 240 case is 2"ish and the same the 460 S&W parallel sides. What is good for the 460 should be good for a 44-240 2"

Mike Bellm does a 44/356 for use in the T/C contender. Runs it around 44K psi max. Uses shortened 444 dies for reloading. Should work OK in the 366

Cheers

Can you turn the rim down on a 45-70, to say .514-.516, open the reciever face to accept it and run lower pressure 45-70s?
Or neck it down to 358. This is the idea I've been kicking around. I got the idea from the 33 Win.
It would be close to using a 350 RM.

Or, you can turn the rim to the standard .506 and then use it for the 358. That way you can headspace on the shoulder and alter nothing but the case rims. And still have a rimless, beltless 350 RM, for your 336.

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Originally posted by .366torque:
Can you turn the rim down on a 45-70, to say .514-.516, open the reciever face to accept it and run lower pressure 45-70s?
Or neck it down to 358. This is the idea I've been kicking around. I got the idea from the 33 Win.
It would be close to using a 350 RM.

I have made a reduced rim 45-70 before...kinda neet.

the 35-348 Win is an established wildcat.

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Originally posted by .366torque:
Or, you can turn the rim to the standard .506 and then use it for the 358. That way you can headspace on the shoulder and alter nothing but the case rims. And still have a rimless, beltless 350 RM, for your 336.

The problem of having a larger than 470 casehead is the loss of action strength so you need to have lower preasure so diminishing returns.

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Originally posted by tbolt:
Mike Bellm does a 44/356 for use in the T/C contender. Runs it around 44K psi max. Uses shortened 444 dies for reloading. Should work OK in the 366

Cheers

Thanks for the confirmation that this will work.

the more I think of using the 240 case the more I like it. same casehead as the 35 Rem so no preasure problems.