what the heck is a 416 winchester express?

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03 January 2006, 21:58

boom stick

what the heck is a 416 winchester express?

i can only come up with a couple of refrences on it...

winchester knows nothing about it...

what is the parent case?

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03 January 2006, 22:09

jeffeosso

i do...
heh

that's the 416 howell - made off the 404.. , or a few grains short of the 416 AR,

#dumptrump

opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com

03 January 2006, 22:31

boom stick

good to know

i thought the 404 case head was larger

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03 January 2006, 23:43

jeffeosso

BS
the 404 is .540 -- which is why rem/win called the ultra/wsm cases "proprietary" at .550

jeffe

04 January 2006, 00:04

boom stick

577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

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04 January 2006, 03:47

MuskegMan

Does this help?

04 January 2006, 04:28

boom stick

great info...thanks

577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

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Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)

05 January 2006, 04:48

Bohica

You might be thinking of the cartridge Mr. Ken Waters did a bunch of years ago. He necked the 350 Rem Mag up to 416 and went from there. I got him the reamer from JGS when he had some problems with his order. The cartridge is a great "MID-RANGE" type 416. I have one I made up in my shop on a Ruger [old model] 77 SA that is the cats meow for the stuff in the trees. Overall length [COL] is 2.810 with a 400 Barnes. VERY authoratative in a light weight rifle but VERY accurate too.

Aloha, Mark

05 January 2006, 06:31

jeffeosso

Mark,
Allow the picture to download above and read the article.. the 416 winchester is the 416 howell, ken also called his 416x350rem (as you made) the express, but the honest question was what's the 416 winchester

05 January 2006, 07:44

boom stick

according to steve at stevespages this is what he said...

At 09:47 AM 1/3/06 -0800, you wrote:
>hi there...what can you tell me about the 416 winchester express?
i
>came accross it on your website and was not familiar with it...is it a
>wildcat or an old cartridge? if a wildcat what is the parent case?
>thanks... boom stick

This cartridge was designed and developed in 1979 but never reached the
production stage.

I bleieve that Ken Howell first dreamed it up, based on the 404 Jeffery
case.

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Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)

05 January 2006, 08:07

.366torque

You mean this could have been used and pounced on for wildcatting for 26 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think Winchester owes us an apology!

05 January 2006, 08:12

boom stick

damn tootn torque!

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Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)

05 January 2006, 10:21

.366torque

I think the fargin' iceholes should go good and build the bloody thing!

05 January 2006, 16:32

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by .366torque:
I think the fargin' iceholes should go good and build the bloody thing!

they didn't...

now there's a new case, that cost's 1/5th of what the 404 cases do...

and it's the 416 AR!!!

jeffe