Hello Newton Fans & those like boom stick who love
Potent Cartridges without the former "Magnum Belt", so it could be ID'd as a "Magnum"...anyway...I
contacted Mr. Jamison's Office & the word was passed to me that the Newton Brass was going to be put into production in 2 months...now everyone can try the legendary Newton Cartridges...and will probably stop using the pallid, wootzy cartridges the gun company bean counters have pushed as the newest & greatest. Viva Newton! Newton & "V" lives!
Aloha
Tom from Wyoming...land of the serious shooters!

35 newton rides again!

can you post pics or email me pics of your newton rounds and guns???

it makes the threads more interesting

thanks for the update...

Hey: I'd be willing to do so...but pardon my ignorance...I don't know how to post photos on this site...I can load them in my computer & post photos like on gun auction sites...
So, how do I get the photos in my computer on this site..give me an idea how to do so & I'll probably figure it out.
I'd do it this weekend if I knew how...
Aloha,

Tom

for refference...

Tom

Huntington's has been carrying brass for the big Newton cartridges for years. I believe it's made overseas somewhere. Maybe it's too expensive??

To post photos, I've found the best way is to set up a photobucket account. Store your photos in your account. Then all you have to do is copy and paste the URL. If I can do it, anybody can.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/ray928/Newton.jpg

Cheechako: I once sent you some stuff...Lee-Navy? Forget now, I was once on here as "Bisonland", but got a new email address (high speed cable)...and thus had to reenter AR as a different nom de plume..."white bison".

I think you are 100% wrong about Huntington's carrying Newton Brass...call Buzz & ask him. If he did,
I sure would have bought some.

You may be thinkin of the brass made in Yugoslavia for Graf...but not Newton, no way. Its not been
available anywhere since Vernon Speer stopped making it in 1945.

Now Jamison will make .256 Newton, .30 Newton, & .35 Newton brass relatively soon.

If I'm wrong please enlighten me, but I think you are this time...

Aloha,

Tom from Cody

boom stick: Old data newly published can be in error on Newton cartridges...for example the drawing you show is mostly correct...except the shoulder angle is 41.49 degrees per side...no way its even near 23 degrees.
Aloha,
Tom

Re old data: I found out for myself when I had a set of .30 newton dies that the diemaker used old data...they were off...later corrected when I gave him the correct old unfired .30 newton case & the Wilson .30 Newton case gauge. The he made them again! Correct this time.
Also, a well know reamer maker was going to make me a .280 Newton (last type was simply the .30 Newton necked to 7mm.)...found his data was off too, so before he made them, I sent him my original .30 Newton reamer, and original Newton chamber drawings, etc. So, its to say, don't trust old data published in old books, use old data thats published in old books!
Aloha,
Tom

Tom

yeah, I remembered you. i saw the name Tom and the name Bison and I put two and two together. I also remembered that you are the Newton guy.

Tom, I may well be wrong about the Newton brass from Huntington's. It was many years ago and I remember getting a couple of empty cases to look at. they were not headstamped. Could they have been made from some basic brass?? I'll have to dig thru my boxes to see if I can find them. But you know more about the Newton stuff than I ever will and you are probably right.

Tom, the big Newton cartridges that I have in my collection all have the 23 degree shoulder. I have both Western and Speer. Are those later cartridges?? In his book THE RIFLE IN AMERICA, Phil Sharpe has a whole chapter on the Newtons and his drawings also show the 23 degree shoulder. I have always thought that my cartridges were correct. My N.A.Co. 256N cartridge also has the 23 degree shoulder.



Ray

tom, how can we correct this shoulder dispute???

Tom

I found the Huntington brass. here's a photo. Not too good since I had to use a flash.

Loaded cartridges are WESTERN. Left is a Newton Wire Point Bullet, Center is the Huntington empty brass, and right is an OPE bullet.

Ray
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/ray928/cases001.jpg

i guess the best question is what shoulder angle the jamison brass will be...

http://www.huntingtons.com/cases_jamison.html
Jamison is all I can find on their site

Maybe the brass extrusion process allows sharper shoulders, but it's my understanding that 35 degrees is about the max practical shoulder angle when forming new brass.

Ray

Hi: Well, I know that some companies made .30 Newton brass from 'parent brass'...such as Buffalo Arms in Idaho...because I checked once & talked to the boss there, Dave Gullo...and although he had it listed, hadn't made any or had any in stock & asked me how I made mine...from what parent.
My point was that new .30 Newton brass hadn't been made as a new .30 Newton case. I'll talk to Buzz Huntington & ask him about the Newton Brass...maybe at one time it was available, but I'm sure not now, because I talked to him fairly recently & he made no mention of it. I'll query him closer, his new catalog doesn't list any.
Graf has the new Jamison Brass listed already & Buffalo Arms told me they had backordered some. It puzzles me if it were available, why Buffalo Arms wouldn't have had it? Why would they talk to me about how to make it & now have it ordered from Jamison? Doesn't figure. Apparently Huntingtons may have had some at one time, but I'm pretty sure they don't now. I'll call them Monday to solve this intrigue.
Best Regards, Tom

boomy: I sent you some photos of my Newtons..
You may be right about the shoulder angle...I use
Donnelly's "Handloader's Manual of Cartidge Conversions" for my info...he lists the .35 Newton as a sharper shoulder angle of 41.49 degrees/side.
Now, he lists the .30 Newton as a shoulder angle of 24.67 degrees....hmmm...I had some .35 Newtons at one time, but I just checked exact full size drawings & the shoulder angle looks the same as the .30 Newton...so would be 23 degrees. It seems illogical that if you just neck up .30 Newtons to .35 Newtons there would be a shoulder angle difference. I also have a copy of Newton cartridge chamber dimensions and although it doesn't show the shoulder angle, from the other dimensions it shouldn't be as much as 41.49 degrees. Donnelly's Book has to be wrong. I stand corrected. I'll have to get a .35 Newton now! Its about the only one I don't have...and wasn't going to get one because I have the .358 Norma Mag which will do the same.
Thanks for the correction, I'll also check with a friend who shoots the .35 Newton...he has cases fired from his .35...the shoulder angle should be the same as the .30 Newton or as boom stick correctly showed, a 23 degree shoulder.
I'll beat my head on the ground three times for this gross error of mine!
Aloha,
Tom

Anyway, the same Jamison cases listed in Huntingtons are on back order...also Buffalo Arms & Graf...will be made in about 2 months & hopefully available around December or Jan. That's what Jamison told me when I asked last week.
Aloha,
Tom

Ray: I have a bunch of old Western & Speer Brass,mostly .30 Newton, some were .35 Newton before I necked them down to .30 Newton. Also have some original .256 newton (but that was a different case than the .30 or .35 Newtons)...from the .280 Newton to the .40 Newton, they were all based on the .30 Newton case necked up, except the .35 Newton made anew probably was just made as a .35 for the neck thickness issue.
But the question arises...is there any ID headstamp on the huntington brass? Does it say .30 Newton? I know one of the Speer brothers was a Newton Fan & made some brass & ctgs. right after WW2, say 1945...and that was a special run I think made for him by a foreign maker...if I remember correctly. Do you remember when Huntington had this Newton Brass? Approximately what year? I wonder if it may have been the brass Speer made way back? I'm quite happy that I'll be able to get newly made Newton brass...I had a devil of a time trying to shoot high pressure, hot loads through my .280 Newton using the old .30 Newton brass...kept getting case splits, ruptures, holes even..brass just no good anymore. So far, I'm shooting .22, .256, .280, .30, and .416 Newton...only the .35 Newton I haven't shot yet. Maybe I'll have one made up on a Mauser action. Harry McGowen has the .35 Newton reamer, I believe. I have a .280 & .30 Newton reamer. Aloha all!
Tom

While I honor the Newton non belted magnums it's just been too much trouble to really deal with one due to the supply of brass. Today I shoot some WSM's along with the old HH's for a battery that satisfies me.

I can't see getting a rifle for another hard to do cartridge.

Who is Mr. Jamison? Is it Rick?

In any case a 375 Ruger has been announced. Perhaps something will evolve from that?



375 Ruger

Tom

I have both Speer and Western brass in the 30 and 35. They are headstamped accordingly. I have both Western and N.A.C0. brass in 256, again both headstamped properly. The Huntington brass has no headstamp. As I remember, I got it 5 years ago, plus or minus. I saw it on one of their lists so I asked Buzz or Fred to send me a few to look at. They sent me a couple in 35 caliber. All of the dimensions agree with the original rounds in my collection. That's all I know about it. The boxes of Speer 30 and 35 that I have I bought on e-bay several years ago. I only have a few single specimens of the 256 and one only Speer 270 Newton cartridge.

Let us know what Buzz or Fred say about that brass. I'm curious now.



Ray

Quality Cartridge lists the Gibbs line on their website.
http://www.qual-cart.com/exotic.htm

I'm liking this news!! I have a 256 Newton with a mirror bore that is very accurate. I have been okay making brass from 270 Win cases, about the O-N-L-Y thing the 270 is good for IMHO, for about twenty years now. Boy a Case-Gard 100 full of properly headstamped brass will look nice on the shelf and at the range. I once owned a 30N and made excellent brass from Hirtenberger 6.5x68S brass. It was maybe .002" larger diameter, but one pass thru the 30N FL die made a perfect fireforming round and the ff rounds fed 100%.

regards,

Rich

PS: had a plan for a 35 Whelen, maybe I should step up one level and build a 35 Newton, eh?

Cheechako: I called Buzz Huntington & doesn't have any Newton Brass, nor could he remember when he did. The only thing he did remember is he once got about 500 original .30 Newton cases made by Newton & they went muy rapido...they sold out very fast.
But he heasn't had any and doesn't remember when & if he ever had any..except for the instance mentioned. As I understood it, a guy brought in a bunch of original .30 Newton cases...he thought as much as 500, new in the boxes to dispose of...and they went quickly. I talked to him yesterday awhile. Your cases may have been some odd ones...but my impression is they hadn't stocked any, and couldn't recall when & if they ever had any in stock. I was pretty sure they didn't have any. Richard Speer, brother of Vernon Speer was a Newton fan..and had some made up shortly after WW2 if I remember correctly. Also Speer made a .270 Newton that was their own design...necking down a .30 Newton & was said to have outstanding velocity.
Best Regards,
Tom

Savage 99: I think the name is Marc Jamison..he
makes brass for lots of African Cartridges, etc.
Newton Brass should be available near the end of this year & maybe January, they have said...so that ends the brass problem.
Best Regards,
Tom