I am totally confused by the negative opinions voiced. This cartridge makes sense to me much more so than the other existing 375 options. AR members sing the praises of the 9.3x62 yet are quick to condemn something new that looks even better. I'm with Tex21 on this one. I'll order was as soon as available! Give it a chance!

I agree with LJS. I don't get all the negative comments. If you read the original post, it states that the cartridge will equal the 375 in a short action and short barrel. It doesn't say it will almost equal it (AKA 376 Steyr) and of course it will have to be a fat cartridge to get the boiler room needed in a 2.5' length. It also wasn't claimed that it will be lower in recoil. If you actually read what is claimed for the cartridge, it should be a practical cartridge in a really affordable rifle.

The world's major rifle market is the US. No Steyr round and no metric round is ever going to set the world on fire, due to market prejudice. A round like this, stamped Ruger, could really take off and result in cheap brass and ammo prices, which is a big advantage.

Wildcatting and new rounds isn't always about coming up with something unique. With manufacturing, it often comes down to market perception. Look at the history of the 244 Remington and 6mm Remington or the 280 Winchester and 7mm Express to see this.

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Originally posted by LJS:
I am totally confused by the negative opinions voiced. This cartridge makes sense to me much more so than the other existing 375 options. AR members sing the praises of the 9.3x62 yet are quick to condemn something new that looks even better. I'm with Tex21 on this one. I'll order was as soon as available! Give it a chance!

I've with you here.

Don't know if this is true or not, but heard from a friend in Nebraska (who shall remain nameless) that the case is not a .300 Win Mag with the belt off, but a case based upon the belt diameter of the .300 Win Mag carried forward! This to me would be a no-brainer. It would make more sense, giving additional case capacity, the same magazine capacity of current mid-magnums, and the same bolt head diameter.

Fjold, shall we camp on Ruger's doorstep, taking turns to go for food and "pitstops," to be the first to own one in lefthand? Would agree that one in .416 Ruger would also flatten my wallet.

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case is not a .300 Win Mag with the belt off, but a case based upon the belt diameter of the .300 Win Mag carried forward!

I agree this would be reasonable and I like it. It would be like a 375 Dakota but at .532" instead of the Dakota's .545".

Such a case would be welcome IMO.

I posted this on the large bores forum as well and in less than one day there's 120 posts on this subject.....this is an indication IMO of the popularity this cartridge may have.

The vast majority of these posts are positive about this new round.....and we don't really know what it is yet.

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The vast majority of these posts are positive about this new round.....and we don't really know what it is yet.

Must be a generally well received, good idea then?

I have my Mauser projects planned out already and I said "NO MORE ONCE I'M DONE!" but if this cartridge takes off, I might put one together to go along with the 458 I've been telling myself I'm going to build one of these days.

pedro7...the link disapeared on the photos...can you repost them or send them to me and i will do it. thanks!

i think ruger is onto us...

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Essentially this is a beltless .375 Taylor

One can guess the potential performance from there.....it's an "almost" .375 H&H in a shorter action.

Actually the performance difference is nearly nothing. And this is a fairly easy fit in a VZ-24

If you're right (hope you are) this could indeed be a cartridge that will fit many standard actions without the headaches of the Dakota Diameter cartridges. If it's essentially a new cartridge that is full "Mag" belt diameter (.532) and it's based on the Taylor, performance shouldn't be a disappointment either.

I saw alot to like in the pictures before the link was broken.

Optimism is somewhat higher at this point.

My enthusiasm for this totally evaporates if it is not a .532" diameter rim and .532" beltless head diameter. The only sensible thing to do in this looney's view.

rip...if you look at the pic there seems to be no rebate that would be worth mentioning other than principal. it does appear to be 532/532

Now if they would neck it up to .458 I could get really enthused.

465H&H

Waiting really impatiently for this one... This seems like the best short 375 I've seen, as long as it's got the .532 rim and case diam. I'd do one of these without hesitation. I'm glad I put off the 375 Taylor project for a bit - this would be a better choice if the parameters are as we expect them.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Now if they would neck it up to .458 I could get really enthused.

465H&H

Assuming the .532" spec all around, .416 or .423 is as big as this one should go, IMHO.

You are therefore still stuck with the 45/404 Dakota RIPoff or equivalent for the "Dream Elephant Rifle." AKA 450 Vincent Short, or 450 G&A Short, all are 2.5" .404 Jeffery necked to .458.

the 458 a.r. would be the best round for a 458 wildcat. if it is .532" then you would blow out the shoulder to get it to headspace well. rips 450-404 dakota is a good idea too. my wildcat idea is take the 404 brass expand to 458 and trim at a cal length neck or more depending on action and how much smithing you will tolerate.

back to the 375 ruger...can someone please confirm the casehead dia!!!

maybe this is covered by one of the 375 wildcats but has anyone blown the walls of a 375 h&H straighter, added more shoulder and seen what heppens. It seems if we can live with the sharp shoulders (like on the 375 ruger) than we could make an H&H have a shoulder like that and increase the case capacity, maybe getting 2800 fps easy? Anyone??
_BAxter

Baxter,
It's called the 375 H&H improved and is very similiar to the 375 Weatherby.

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its called a 375 weatherby or 375 improved...

the 375 ruger is great cuzz it takes a std action

Boomer!

The .423 Dakota is based on a shortened (2.5") .338 Lapua Magnum. the .423/.338 Lapua RIPoff is 2.7" and a much better cartridge.

The .404 Dakota is the shortened and sharper shouldered .404 Jeffery.

I am talking about a .458/.404 Dakota above.

Please be more careful!

BaxterB,
Re-inventing the .375 Ackley Improved or .375 Weatherby or .375 JRS or ... ???

I think Roy Weatherby did it first in 1944, and his is still as good as it gets, in the 2001 throated version.

(Get me out of here Percy!)

oops

sorry yes i mean 404. thank you for the proofreading

It seems quite a few of us are waiting for real prize of this cartridge, 0.532 brass. That would certainly be something I'd want to see out of this cartridge. RIP nailed it early on.

So many "new" cartridges are necked down/up versions, belt removed or shortened versions of some other parent cartridge. Why do so many manufacturers avoid the truly new cartridge? Anybody got any insights? Why is this so hard?

A full diameter 0.532 cartridge makes a heck of alot of sense. Plenty of folks see that quite clearly.

RIP said it best, "It's about time."

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy:
It seems quite a few of us are waiting for real prize of this cartridge, 0.532 brass ... "It's about time."

Looks like this .375 Ruger is shaping up to be one of the few, the "faultless" cartridges.

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So many "new" cartridges are necked down/up versions, belt removed or shortened versions of some other parent cartridge. Why do so many manufacturers avoid the truly new cartridge? Anybody got any insights? Why is this so hard?

Actually this is an old cartridge....it's the old standard magnum with the belt removed.....except this time they removed the belt by simply making the balance of the case the same size as the belt.

It fit's a standard 338 win mag action without alteration of any kind except the new barrel.

Further it'll cause a lot of rechambering of things like current .338 mags etc.....

Hornady will not be able to keep up with demand for brass and basic if the choose to produce it.

i think it will be the 9,3x62 of this century.

vap...do you have your heart set on a 6.5 version? the 6.5 vap-o-rizer

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vap...do you have your heart set on a 6.5 version? the 6.5 vap-o-rizer

Boom, the 30-06 case is plenty for the 6.5 caliber.

This case probably is best suited for .338 and up and as a matter of fact it comes very close to the AR rounds Jeffe has worked on.

Found some more info on the 375 Ruger. This looks real promising.





Article at this link below.
Primedia Outdoors 375 Ruger

No discernable difference out to 300 yards in terms of trajectory. For my purposes (hunting) there is no advantage over existing rounds. For the hobbyist, all that is "new" is exciting. For me, I would be interested in something that offers truly improved performance.

If these velocities are accurate, thus new cartridge just may obsolete the .375 H&H in the same way that the 300 Winchester Magnum basically killed off the .300 H&H.

Also, .375 caliber rifles should be much more common, needing only a different barrel. Right now it is almost impossible to find a good factory 8 or 9 popund .375 (I did not say 11 pound).

What will the 270 grain velocity be? This may cut into .338 sales as well.

Solving one problem...action length...creates another...magazine capacity. They will have a hard time getting four of these fat boys into a mag well. And it will have to be a wider well than is used on the regular belted mags if the ctg is indeed fatter. That means there is more to this than swapping out a bbl.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
Solving one problem...action length...creates another...magazine capacity. They will have a hard time getting four of these fat boys into a mag well. And it will have to be a wider well than is used on the regular belted mags if the ctg is indeed fatter. That means there is more to this than swapping out a bbl.

Maybe not.....it's the same size as a .375 H&H at the belt except the case stays the same belt diameter all the way to the front.....with some taper of course.

One shouldn't think of this as a fat case at all......it should have the same capacity as a 375 H&H.

for 375h+h power and then some in a std action is worth losing a round for most people. from what we can tell the rim and casehead are .532 (same as belt of winmags) so a barrel change is pretty much all thats needed. that is part of the brilliance of it.

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for 375h+h power and then some in a std action is worth losing a round for most people.

Boom,
the same guys that will degrade this cartridge for thinking it'll have one less round in the magazine (which isn't so) are the same ones that think a double (holding only two rounds) is just fine.

Some folks just can't accept change. And this one is a good one in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Indy:
What will the 270 grain velocity be? This may cut into .338 sales as well.

The same article that gave the above 300 gr info says 2850 for the 270 gr.

How many rounds 'down' do ya'alls H&H's hold now? Just wondering, mine only holds 3... I'm assuming that any new rifle out barreled in this case will hold 3 down too. So whats the problem with that? How many more do you need anyway?

If you need more than three buy a machine gun.
If something big is coming for you, you will not have time for more than one or two, in the other case, if something is running away from you, you will not have much chance of firing at it three times...
L

Hello folks,

Just a quick question. I own a Winch 70 SS in 375H&H. So lets say that one day I do burn out the barrel after shooting 8000 rounds through it or so... could I still use that long action and fit a new barrel lets say chambered in 375 Ruger?... Would a long action work for a short action round? Can a gunsmith make that work? Do you guys see any feeding problems etc associated with that idea?

Sorry if it may sound dumb but I'm curious.

Regards,

Maurice

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Originally posted by Enigma:
Hello folks,

Just a quick question. I own a Winch 70 SS in 375H&H. So lets say that one day I do burn out the barrel after shooting 8000 rounds through it or so... could I still use that long action and fit a new barrel lets say chambered in 375 Ruger?... Would a long action work for a short action round? Can a gunsmith make that work? Do you guys see any feeding problems etc associated with that idea?

Sorry if it may sound dumb but I'm curious.

Regards,

Maurice

First, it would be hard to burn out a 375 H&H barrel. But if you wanted to change it to a 375 Ruger it would probably be just a barrel change. There wouldn't be any problem with action length.

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First, it would be hard to burn out a 375 H&H barrel. But if you wanted to change it to a 375 Ruger it would probably be just a barrel change. There wouldn't be any problem with action length.

While I fully agree with this post I'm truly thinking one is a few McNuggets short of a full deal meal converting a .375 H&H to a .375 anything. It would be an amazing event that this Hornady/Ruger round would ever take over the old H&H round.....blasphemy for sure!!!!

and you could seat out the bullets like the northfork and tsx for more velocity or lower preasure in the 375 ruger. 5 down in a c.z.