Illegitimi non carborundum

There, fixed it for you

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Originally posted by gman21:
Illegitimi non carborundum

There, fixed it for you

Can you mix that with coke?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by gman21:
Illegitimi non carborundum

There, fixed it for you

Can you mix that with coke?

Now thats funny.... lol

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by gman21:
Illegitimi non carborundum

There, fixed it for you

Can you mix that with coke?

If your balls are big enough--



SSR

This is how I see it.People who love hunting 1-stay in shape to go hunting.2-learn to shoot very well.3-Video their hunt and post a hunt report on AR .Oh and I forgot,4-mount there trophies.These are listed in order of importance.I don't see how anyone who does not make an effort to stay in shape can love hunting.

I agree that the way some posters have been treated is not right at all. But I also believe that this site has a lot of members. When you have a large amount of people in one spot you are going to have a few idiots that's just how it is. I say keep on posting and the hell with um. They'd be better off trying to take a bite out of there own head than getting me to care what they think about one of my posts. Keep on posting reports everyone, and if some loser gets mad, well sorry to here about his bad luck.

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Originally posted by gman21:
Illegitimi non carborundum

There, fixed it for you

Google it and you need more than coke!!

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Illegitimi non carborundum

Glad to see its not just us Zimbos who live by that motto

Fairgame.......mixing anything alcoholic with coke might help you feel that way

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Originally posted by T man:
Don't let a few people mess up something you enjoy.

Excellent advice.

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Originally posted by zimFrosty:

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Illegitimi non carborundum

Glad to see its not just us Zimbos who live by that motto

Fairgame.......mixing anything alcoholic with coke might help you feel that way

Been living by that since the late 60's. Ex wife bought me a plaque about 1968 that still hangs on my wall. Only way to fly.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
I have only posted a couple of "hunt reports" here on AR in the past but will never do so again. In light of some of the current goings on and others in the past, the way some have been treated while trying to share their hunts and dreams with the rest of us is really sad. What should be a fourm that gives us all a place to share some of our greatest adventures has turned into a place where we can expect to be critized to no end and made to feel like scum for doing so.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

It's only the internet. Not real life. Don't let the standard forum pack mentality get you down.

This is no differerence than saying I am not going hunting because PETA object to it.

Why let others dictate what we do?

Saeed,
I think your comparison is flawed, When one hunter chastises another hunter for a true attempt at a serious hunt report, it's nothing short of rude behavior.

Your position here precludes you from any real criticism. Some geniuses on this forum just look for a reason to be hypercritical of others.

I for one enjoy light hearted banter but some of the vitriol I've seen is just outright nasty.

I think it would be more like PETA being critical of HSUS.

What Nganga said,and add one.

You'd have to have a pretty small heart to say that about another man who had ACTUALLY done (and rather well it seems) what Larry has; unless you had outdone him. Which successful hunters (or human beings) don't do.

Pay the midgets no mind Larry. They would freeze to death standing in your shadow.

regards,

Rich

Just to add that those that are so hypercritical of others hunt reports just seem to me to be jealous of what others have done that they have not.

If y'all are speaking about Aaron speaking out on the 2 year old lion...I'll just add this and don't want to start a fight.

If you are a US citizen...it is quite possible that you may loose your priviledge to hunt lion at all if the lion gets uplisted to endangered and put on the NO-take list.

It is a real possibility...read the hunting report: http://www.huntingreport.com/c...ilerClickThrough=634

I have been keeping abreast of this with the LCTF.

One thing the antis use for data are internet count analyses.

They go to the net and monitor the hunting reports and company websites for lion pics.

They then submit all pics collected for a year to experts for aging. They then use these statistics to estimate how many youg lions are taken each year.

They have been coming up with numbers like 60-70%. This data makes its way to people that have the power of the pen...the pen that signs the petition into law that is.

Less than 5 year old lions simply cannot/should not be taken whether legal or not by an African law. If they do not stop showing up on the net...lion hunting will disappear for US citizens anyway...besides...their taking is just the wrong thing to do...if...you want to preserve lion that is.

How about this recent report?
http://forums.accuratereloadin...5621043/m/1081003451

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
How about this recent report?
http://forums.accuratereloadin...5621043/m/1081003451

I saw that.

Not especially tasteful perhaps but certainly handled with a deal more tact than the above debacle.

I actually follow Saeed's thought and agree--

As to my own thoughts--

Then again,

I have been roundly criticized with respect to my views on "animal rights"

--they have NONE except as man decrees--

And my stand on "ethics" in hunting--

if it's legal---it's legal--

Hang "your" "ethics"---

again it is as man decrees-

just that simple for me--

all this "ethical" sack cloth, ashes, wailing and gnashing of teeth is

just so much "angst"--

T-rex are gone

mastodons are gone,

dodo's and passenger pigeons are gone

etc etc--

IF we as a FEW hunters are so arrogant as to believe we can stop a continent of inhabitants from eradicating lions or any animal, etc

we are just that--

arrogant--

much as with "global warming"

man vs Volcano-- etc


If and ONLY if

the inhabitants of Africa agree and DECREE that lions are a valuable commodity

then and ONLY then will they be salvaged=


as per Astro--- "rots uh ruck"


in the mean time THEY will be killed --

more by the locals than by YOU or I--

While I laud your passion and your toil and effort--

I WILL still hunt and kill lions

AS LONG as I can afford to--

period.

Call it selfish--

call it short sighted--

I call it reality--


the reality of my time--



Now,

Anyone know where to get a good mastodon hunt???

No---

I'll even take a wooly mammoth--

Anyone?

very well said!

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Then again,

I have been roundly criticized with respect to my views on "animal rights"

--they have NONE except as man decrees--

Agreed!!!

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And my stand on "ethics" in hunting--

if it's legal---it's legal--

Hang "your" "ethics"---

again it is as man decrees-

just that simple for me--

all this "ethical" sack cloth, ashes, wailing and gnashing of teeth is

just so much "angst"--

T-rex are gone

mastodons are gone,

dodo's and passenger pigeons are gone

etc etc--

IF we as a FEW hunters are so arrogant as to believe we can stop a continent of inhabitants from eradicating lions or any animal, etc

we are just that--

arrogant--

much as with "global warming"

man vs Volcano-- etc


If and ONLY if

the inhabitants of Africa agree and DECREE that lions are a valuable commodity

then and ONLY then will they be salvaged=


as per Astro--- "rots uh ruck"


in the mean time THEY will be killed --

more by the locals than by YOU or I--

While I laud your passion and your toil and effort--

I WILL still hunt and kill lions

AS LONG as I can afford to--

And with that attitude the lion looses as well as future generations...like my son...who would also like to hunt them.

My only comfort with you is that I know you and maybe the like minded will too go the way of the Dodo bird.

P.S.: And in my feeble mind...I dare say the arrogance lies with you sir.

"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing"

Edmund Burke

If we dont try, then we KNOW lions and wildlife lose. So all you nay sayers man up and try with us anyway. It cant hurt and it might help.

SSR

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Originally posted by Cross L:
"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing"

Edmund Burke

If we dont try, then we KNOW lions and wildlife lose. So all you nay sayers man up and try with us anyway. It cant hurt and it might help.

SSR

Cross L,

Good stuff.

Maybe some of the PH's that regularly post here should write a hunt report from thier perspective. That would be interesting for sure.

AR is a privately run public forum, which IMHO has very few rules and very little censorship. (IMHO, there should be more censorship of a particular kind, but more on that later.)

As a result, AR is not a place where I would post anything that I was not willing to be criticized for posting.

On the other hand, there is such a thing as civil criticism. Such criticism might hurt someone's feelings, but it's not insulting and not an attack. IMHO, if you can't stand that kind of heat, you'd better stay out of the AR (or any public) kitchen.

The biggest disappointment I have with AR is the tolerance shown by those in charge toward the scurrilous, malicious and cowardly among us.

There is no place, IMHO, in civil discourse for the kind of coarse, vulgar personal attacks that some such people who post here on AR (and always on an anonymous basis, or so it seems to me) have come to specialize in launching.

That kind of thing has driven many valued contributors from this site, and will likely drive away more, or at least, perhaps, discourage them from posting hunt reports.

I have seen precious little will among those in charge here to stop it, or even to discourage it, and that, IMHO, is a real shame. It lowers the tone, and the value, of the site, and should not be tolerated.

Just as I would not tolerate it in my home, nor would I tolerate it on any website I controlled.

But it's not my site. And even having said all of the above, AR still ranks in the plus column with me. It's a valuable resource for those of us who enjoy hunting and the shooting sports, despite any flaws.

Mike,
I agree with you 10,000%.
I may or may not post another report, depends if things continue to deteriorate and if I get anymore "hate PM's" with implied threats to kill me like "I killed the enemy" when in the military or get the type of verbage someone "smarterthanme" spouts off. This type of attitude is wrong and should not be included among civil, educated people. If people do not censor themselves, then a little editorial censorship or at least a warning should be acceptable.

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The biggest disappointment I have with AR is the tolerance shown by those in charge toward the scurrilous, malicious and cowardly among us.

There is no place, IMHO, in civil discourse for the kind of coarse, vulgar personal attacks that some such people who post here on AR (and always on an anonymous basis, or so it seems to me) have come to specialize in launching.

What about some of the "know it alls" who treat anyone with a differing opinion as scat?

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my views on "animal rights"

--they have NONE except as man decrees--

And my stand on "ethics" in hunting--

if it's legal---it's legal--

Hang "your" "ethics"---

again it is as man decrees-

just that simple for me--

Glad you said that duggaboy, because, if you shoot my dog, then I am here to tell you that you will find out real soon whether or not there is a hereafter. Why, because I decree that his life is worth more than yours!
Now, back to hunt reports. i read them, not because I want to see pictures of "trophies", but because i want to find out where he/she hunted, who with (outfitter and PH), what was it like etc. etc. In other words I might want to hunt there, with that outfitter, with that PH etc. How else can I get a real first hand account of what it was like? From the glossy brochure? from talking to the booking agent in the USA? Perhaps a hunt report should consist of "I hunted on these dates with this outfitter. PM me for details"? Then the hunter could send out a "canned report", probably just like he would have posted anyway, but in this case it was specifically requested?!!
Larry's DVDs were very educational for me because they showed what DG hunting in Africa was really like.
Just my 2 cents, Peter

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Glad you said that duggaboy, because, if you shoot my dog, then I am here to tell you that you will find out real soon whether or not there is a hereafter. Why, because I decree that his life is worth more than yours!

Decree what you wish Peter--

this is not about any one man's decrees--

yours nor mine--

It is about nations and laws of nations--

Until African nation's agree and decree --

that
Lions are valuable and begin enforcement

in a SERIOUS manner

all the efforts of you and me and Lane and others

and all our dollars ,

all our efforts, toils etc , etc

are pretty worthless.

lest you forget--

I did not generally advocate shooting young lions

though I would under certain circumstances--

such as the circumstances the of young hunter

whose innocent and friendly report

begat ALL this angst and critique--


Why,

his PH gave him the green light--

he trusted his judgement

AND IT WAS LEGAL---PERIOD!!



As to my value and that of your dog--

he, nor you,

best not appear nor act hostile

against me, my family or my property.


Lest you expect be dealt with as the founders of this great nation of laws would expect--

and dealt with in an efficient and expedient manner.

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I did not generally advocate shooting young lions

though I would under certain circumstances--

such as the circumstances the of young hunter

whose innocent and friendly report

begat ALL this angst and critique--

All that I can say is that I would not.

Since you are talking about how the founders of this great nation would act...bet they would not give a second thought to what the government of another country thought was legal...they would do what they knew was right.

The one thing I should add is that of the PH's I know well and have hunted with...NONE would have even considered letting that hunter shoot that lion under any circumstances.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The one thing I should add is that of the PH's I know well and have hunted with...NONE would have even considered letting that hunter shoot that lion under any circumstances.

As most likely would have my PH.

That still is not the issue for me.


Do not mistake my words--

It was legal, the PH green lighted the hunter and that's that.


I approve of that young man's actions in that situation.


I likewise approve and admire your time , sweat, dollars and other efforts toward what you see as the " necessary path to follow'

It's apples and oranges-



Additionally,

the way to win "hearts & minds"

and

the needed dollars to aid much needed enforcement-

is not to "eat our young" in the hunting community--


Simply taking a young hunter to task for a legal kill

is the WRONG way to get help toward the sought after goal--

( esp. by others who posted on the various threads on this topic

with far more sinister commentary, this IS NOT directed at you)


I have no desire to see Lions eradicated---

far from it--


I stand by my statements--

all this angst and derision does NOTHING to further the goal sought--

In fact it splinters and erodes the very support that is needed.


While I sincerely believe that the lions future is grave

AND

what you and others seek to accomplish IS a worthy and noble goal.


I still will hunt when and where it is legal.

(hopefully with better results
and better Professional situational assessment
than unfortunately occurred for the young hunter involved)

However, it was legal

and

I'm happy for him he got to participate before it all goes away.

Like I said I'm a realist--

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Simply taking a young hunter to task for a legal kill

is the WRONG way to get help toward the sought after goal--

And powdering a kid's butt and patting him on the back while telling him his action was OK...when it really was not...is no way to bring up the young up either...one of the problems of this great nation now...but was not done in the house I grew up in.

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Newt Gingrich for President!!! I believe he has a chance! But I'll support anybody with an (R). Mitt would be OK, but would rather have 1) Ron Paul, 2) Tim Pawlenty, or 3) Jim DeMint. And I hear good things about Bob Corker. Hell...I'd even take Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann!!!!!! And...I will vote for Donald...if he gets the nomination.

Lane would that be Donald duck?

Well...he would be an improvement!

what about the 2 young pac males recently shot and photographed in Namibia?

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
what about the 2 young pac males recently shot and photographed in Namibia?

Brad,

I disagree with that action. Many of the LCTF are out of pocket right now. I am reluctant to bite off more than I can chew by myself.

Hell I would have given him a new cow. Another of the problems to find a solution to.

I talked with several PH's in Dallas and Reno earlier this year. They all agree that lion hunting is probably short lived. At least legal hunting. When faced with the facts back in the 60's/70's, a few of my friends ponied up and went and hunted tiger in India. They are not extinct, yet. Africa is not India, neither are united. This problem is a clusterf*&k at the very least. Anybody that has the want-to and means to hunt lion better think real hard about it. time is not on your side regarding this issue.

Regarding posting here.
Larry if you stop posting they win. Don't let them win. Take them on a hunt, feed them to the lions, & turn them into furry little turds.

Lane,

Some of us have your back. I am just a peon around here but keep swinging .

SSR

While Dr. Easter and I have had pour problems, I do appreciate all the work that he, Aaron and the others working with them have put forth to keep the lion off the list.

From what others have posted on the site however, it looks like all their efforts are going to have been for naught.

Am I wrong on this, or doesn't listing the lion only result in Americans not being able to import any lions they kill into America?

It, in essence does not really stop lion hunting or am I wrong on that estimation.

Would an American not be able to go to Africa, shoot a lion, have it all documented by photos, and then bring the photos home, or will photos of legally shot lions be disallowed entrance back into the states?

Not meaning to stir the pot, but will people living in other countries be allowed to hunt lions and take their trophies home with them?

Maybe this issue will be a good starting point to wake Americans up to how wrong the Humane Society of The United States is as far as getting involved with issues outside of America.

People need to stop donating money to the HSUS and urge everyuone they know to do the same.

I wished things would have turned out differently, but organizations like HSUS and the United States F&WS are convinced that they are correct with their assumptions no matter how much verifiable proof contradicting their assumptions is laid in front of them.