OK i think i got the picture thing figured out. here's how we did in new zealand last week, hunting with shane quinns alpine hunting.






I'm omitting all the pictures of muzza, photobucket declared them as unfit for publication

the red stag and fallow deer were taken with a ruger #1 IN 300 h&h, the tahr was with a 12 ga and 00 buck. new zealand is really beautiful country with quite a difference between north island and south. while both are mountainous the north island has more open country than the south and the hills are quite so vertical. This kind of hunting isn't really quite hunting as it is on a game farm, (tahr excepted) so you are quite assured of the game, but you still have to find it and shoot it. The red stag of NZ are quite famous for their genetics to acquire such large antlers, and of course those genetics have been played around with for years by the ranchers. The hunt was during the rut and on the ranch there were fallow deer, sitka deer sambar stags, and red stags all in the roar. fights were going on all the time, especially with the fallows. Accommodations, food, and wines were excellent, as were the guides and people of new zealand in general.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
the tahr was with a 12 ga and 00 buck.

Was that with the aid of a helecopter?

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Originally posted by butchloc:
the tahr was with a 12 ga and 00 buck.This kind of hunting isn't really quite hunting as it is on a game farm, (tahr excepted).

What? You used a .12G on a wild Tahr? As Shanks asked was that from a chopper?

we spotted from copter & then got dropped off close by. took both a rifle & shotgun along. tahr was hiding in the bushes & came shooting out like a rocket about 25 yds away & I had the shottygun in hand at the time

Sounds like a Shane Quinn deal!!! Wow...

Hopefully this helicopter practice will be outlawed before too long!!!

I'll leave the being dropped closeby by a chopper to the others to discuss.


Maybe I am missing something here but why do you use a 12 Gauge Shotgun on a Tahr and not the rifle ?

I understand you had the 12 gauge in your hand but why are you even taking a shotgun with you when large animal hunting ???


Anyway, nice deer.

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300H&H real class

Looks like good trip,thanks for the honest details of your trip.

Thanks Butchloc for your reply. I can tell you are a pretty honest guy, and I suspect, a decent fella as well.
This is the problem, there are a lot of decent guys out there who are comming to NZ and doing these Helihunts, and they are ruining and destroying our Tahr herd, and our hunting.
You are also being cheated of a proper hunt, because what you did, was not hunting.
At the same time as you were doing that, I was in those same mountains along with Gryphon.Indeed, if you shot that animal on the 9th of April, from a blue chopper on the west coast at or just after sunrise, then you flew within 400 meters of us as you looked for a bull.
Your pilot and guide would not care that they potentially ruined our hunt, or anyone elses. As long as they got their money with no effort.
We on the other hand carried a boat for 4 hrs


To cross a river.

Then climbed 700 meters and had to sleep in a cave we found at dark.

Before continueing to climb a further 500 vertical meters the next day to shoot a Bull or two.
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Luckely that chopper came over a day later and our hunt was allready in the bag. But if he, or you had have seen a bull, landed to drop you or him off, Chased the Bull until it was maleable enough to be driven where wanted, shot with a shotgun, and picked up and flowen to a beautiful spot for photos before we had had a chance, then 3 DAYS of effort, and another 2 to come home would have been wasted! .
At least the bull you have there is mature, most arn't as the helihunters don't care.
All you guys who come use companys like that are destroying the principle of hunting, destroying the herd (The helihunters have applied for 1600 bulls, when there are only 900 true trophy bulls in existance.) And are creating ill will amoungst Kiwi hunters for American hunter tourists.
The bull Gryphon shot, was a true trophy, he worked imensely hard for it, and can be absolutly proud of it and what it represents. I wont post a pic of it here, he can do so if he wishes.
Your bull represents something entirely different.

Aye agreed re the chopper flying low and slow along the tussock that early morning, it really is bloody annoying for the blokes that climb up from the bottom.
This is part of the tussock pictured that the chopper flew over that morning,I took my bull Tahr there on that face another 800 metres distant and that was at 1300 metres altitude,quite a rough and tough climb too.

I'm hoping this isnt going to get nasty here - given the past history of any mention of "helicopter" and "tahr" in the same sentence.

Butch posted his pics and story in good faith , if you want to have a go at someone then start a campaign against the outfitters who do these hunts for overseas visitors. The foreign hunter is the guy in the middle here , irrespective of the perceived rights or wrongs.

How bout we get a seperate story posted on Gryph and Shanks tahr hunt , not a thread hijack ... ? I would be keen to read the story anyway .

Well said Muzza.

I'm not ging to turn it nasty. As I said, I get the impression, as with most of the guys who have posted helihunts on here before, that Butch is a decent guy. But at the same time, I feel its appropriate to point out that for many of us, that photo and its meaning are offensive.
Muzza, you know that we have been battling every avenue, from parliment and Doc, too guides and clients on this for a long time. I posted here, not to have a crack at Butch, but to make the next guy who considers useing that company, or any that offers a Helihunt, aware that its not accepted.

fully appreciate where you are coming from shanks , and dont disagree with you . I'm also very aware of the ongoing battle in this country to get any sort of honest hearing from the powers that be .

I was merely asking that this discussion not degenerate into the shit-fight that others have become .Once a few guys air their views and the pack mentality appears logical discussion gets lost .

And I would like to see a write up on your hunt , if thats possible .

Disregard my first post above.

It's been explained to me.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
I posted here, not to have a crack at Butch, but to make the next guy who considers useing that company, or any that offers a Helihunt, aware that its not accepted.

And there lies the problem..

As long as there's a demand there will be a supply. Unfortunately there will always be some who opt for this route in taking a "trophy".

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Originally posted by 500N:
Disregard my first post above.

It's been explained to me.

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Could you explain it to me?

Gryphon, a hunt report from you would be appreciated too.

Dean

This video will explain it better than words.
Turn the sound up so you can hear the guides instruions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcDMX4tQTy4

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Originally posted by shankspony:
This video will explain it better than words.
Turn the sound up so you can hear the guides instruions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcDMX4tQTy4

I'm sorry I asked. What do NZ hunters dream of, Oerlikons or Bofors?

Dean

To show what height a ground hunter has to climb to get into the Tahr ground,here is a pic from the latest hunt there I took one arvo showing that mighty river as a 'waterhole' its so far down below.It took seven hours of downhill slog all the way to get back to base camp.