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A few months back I posted a report on 2 brothers on a 21 day full bag hunt to the Ugunda area in western Tanzania and was unable to post photo's , I have now worked out how to do so please see the pictures which correspond with the thread on the Farris Brothers hunt to Tanzania , to recap we hunted the Ugalla river open area adjoining the Ugunda Park. Dallas Texas = Tony Farris and Lloyd Farris collected two of most of the east Tanzanian species : Lion Leopard , Hippo , croc, Sable , Buffalo , Topi , Defassa waterbuck , warthog , East African kudu , Hartebeest, Roan , Zebra, Impala, oribi, reedbuck, Duiker , Dik Dik , hyena , bushbuck and small cats such as Genet , Civet , and Serval. The hunt started in Dar Es Salaam and we flew to Ugalla where PH's Dylan Cloete and John Martin Venter joined us. The hunt was 21 days but we finished up on the 18th with Tony taking 16 trophies and Lloyd 23. Tony Farris hunted elephant and Buffalo with us and Kalahari plains game in 2000 where he booked a Lion hunt which we had to postpone many times until he finaly came with his brother and their good ladies. The hunt was filmed by Steve Scott's productions and was screened on the Versus Channel : Big 5 African Dangerous Game. Below are some of the trophies the rest can be viewed on my Facebook page - Graeme Bruce Pollock.  http://i1223.photobucket.com/a...%202010/_MG_8629.jpg            | ||
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Great Trophies! The Farris Brothers should not use Doxycycline as an antimalarial! Jeff | |||
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Graeme; Another fantastic collection of trophies. Well done to the hunters and PHs. Best regards, D. Nelson | |||
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Awesome trip, what success! Doug McMann www.skinnercreekhunts.com ph# 250-476-1288 Fax # 250-476-1288 PO Box 27 Tatlayoko Lake, BC Canada V0L 1W0 email skinnercreek@telus.net | |||
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congrats on a great hunt | |||
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Very nice..is this a 2012 hunt? | |||
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Congratulations outstanding collection of animals | |||
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 Or perhaps consider Metrogel for the Rosacea.  Jokes aside, nice bag!! ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Wow, what a fantastic safari. Mike  | |||
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amen to that  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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Hi Graeme, How about a pic of the other lion? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Graeme: It's the weekend. Just got home from a little trip down south. And.......just saw the pictures and story. GREAT. CONGRATULATIONS. Brennan | |||
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Wow! That look s like a safari from the 1970s! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nakihunter: Wow! That look s like a safari from the 1970s! Yes it does..minus an elephant. | |||
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Have added the second Lion which was shot on the second day , hyena , serval and Sable. | |||
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Great Safari. Some very nice trophy's and your PH's and trackers worked hard for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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Thanks, great report! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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A very nice Bag of Trophys. Congrats to all involved. Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Wow!! What a trip. You did outstanding and congratulations!!! | |||
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Thx for the report. The first lion in the sequence is the one "we" knew as the "Isimbira male". His pride consisted of at least 6 adult females and 2 sub-adult females and he owned the territory between our block in the Ugalla Game Reserve and Ugunda Open Area. We had been observing him for the previous two years, apprehensive of the fact that as he roamed beyond our block boundary patrolling his territory he could very likely be shot. Unfortunate circumstances. This is a typical example of the importance of maintaining large enough hunting blocks or a cluster of smaller adjoining blocks to viably manage lion hunting in a sustainable way. I note a tiny roan and a young kudu and waterbuck trophy in the one photo. Unfortunate because that ecosystem really has outstanding trophies of those species! "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Dream safari! | |||
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Bwanamich There is always somewhere a Boundry... Dont tell me this Lion is not a Shooter !!! Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Did I say that? We did not shoot it because we knew he held a pride with sub-adults. That was our internal decision, that's all. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Wow! That's a full bag! Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Well done,great hunt there,JM and Dylan are great guys. | |||
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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana: quote: The first lion in the sequence is the one "we" knew as the "Isimbira male". His pride consisted of at least 6 adult females and 2 sub-adult females and he owned the territory between our block in the Ugalla Game Reserve and Ugunda Open Area. We had been observing him for the previous two years, apprehensive of the fact that as he roamed beyond our block boundary patrolling his territory he could very likely be shot. Bwanamich There is always somewhere a Boundry... Dont tell me this Lion is not a Shooter !!! WOW Bwana Mitch , do you really want to go into this debate , frankly I must question why you would attempt a loosely veiled ethical stand point which loosely questions the ethic of the hunt, after 35 years of wildlife conservation which 10 where with National Parks Service and involved lion monitoring we could start a long rehash of Lion Population dynamics , to avoid this I point out one critical and veery salient point - the male was old his genetics were passed on and his time was as close to up as possible - conservation in action is harvesting a trophy that generates tangible benefits to wildlife conservation and the harvest is before the trophy dies or disappears with no benefit to conservation. My problem with your post is that it epitomizes what I call disease marketing, this is when a competitor comments on another outfitter in order to attempt to strengthen their market share by discrediting the competition. That said please can you send me a photo of the lion from your research data for our records so we can be sure we are speaking about the same Lion. Thanks Graeme | |||
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Very Nice trophies. Congratulations on a successful hunt. | |||
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First Lion is a beauty. Great Croc and well done on the Leopards. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Bwanamich's comment only confirms that the lion is fair-game once he leaves his "home" ground. The he led a protected life by virtue of the fact that he was a known pride holder in one hunting area reconfirms that the hunting ethics for lion are rigorously observed by some outfitters. | |||
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Nice lions!! And great hunt report. | |||
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Hello Graeme, What I posted was very simply another example of the challenges facing the management of lion hunting. What you describe in terms of a desired lion trophy for hunting is, generally speaking, correct. I personally disagree with your conclusion(the 1st and last point) that that lion "...was old his genetics were passed on and his time was as close to up as possible." To fit that description, he would have to be 10+ yo which IMHO (Note I say IMHO) that lion is not. As requested, below are two images of the male in 2010.   "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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From the photos it is possible these are the same lions but i am unable to count the follicle on the left side of yours , also the right rear leg scar is not evident on our lion , the mane crown is very similar. Our estimate of the Lion was between 6 and 8 based on dropped jowl , sway back , well worn yellow teeth , no canine ridge at all , mane hair rough course carpet like , large testicles , warrior scaring, nose colouration , our field criteria matched the 6-8 year profile. That said lions generally commence mating from 4-5 and hold a territory (generally ) for 3-5 years , in Tanzania this may be less , this Lion was both a shooter from a conservation point of view and a sport hunting point, the hunt took 18 days of looking at a bunch of Lions and many were turned down which were not suitable , it was shot in daylight from a blind , it was a one shot kill , it was an adventure 10 years in the making , it was a hunt by two brothers out of Texas who shared 21 days of fantastic hunting in the Tanzanian bush , I simply think your comments are in bad taste and would have best been sent in a PM so as not to look like disease marketing. Graeme | |||
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Thx Graeme, I apologize if my post came across to you as "disease marketing". Note that I have NEVER marketed our product or services here on AR. The easiest distinguishable feature in recognizing this lion is the scar on the nose. If your lion had that scar, then its the same one; no need to count follicles. I agree that from an age point of view, that lion was "old enough" to be sport hunted. Our choice to not shoot it was simply based on the fact that it had sub-adults in its pride. Obviously, you did not see the pride when you hunted this lion which again is an example of the practical challenges we are faced with in managing sustainable sport hunting of lion. Had any of our PHs observed this lion without its pride long enough, they might very well have shot him. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Very good hunt specially buff, Lion and I am sure the alligator must be over 15 feet in length, congratulation for full bag of trophies and photos. | |||
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Bwanamich & SBB You are two gentlemen , congratulations to you both ! The first for the wise and difficult but correct decision not to shot that lion. The second for the wonderfull safari you had with your clients and the magnificient trophies taken. | |||
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Thanks Indi , I think based on the photos by Bwanamitch we would also have turned the lion down based on conservation and trophy criteria at that time , but from our picture posted our PH made the right call at that time as this lion is at the end of his reign and would not have been the dominant male for much longer , so his harvest was conservation in action. He was utilized before becoming worm food with no contribution to the wise use of our natural resource. The first lion shot was on the marginal side in terms that although it was mature and most likely nomadic at the time , he was not past his prime. These are the dilemmas that the PH must encounter in the field and must make a decision , both in my mind were correct. That said we were very impressed with the lion population of the open Ugalla area. | |||
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Very nice...I have always liked the pictures with the hunters sitting and the trophies surrounding them...Victorian-style... | |||
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More like the hunters themselves being from the 70's  | |||
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John Martin Venter is a fine PH, several of my clients have hunted with him. Great looking safari for those guys! Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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