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I can't believe I just read this. Totally rediculous. If I give you a stolen watch on promise that you will pay me in a week, then the next day you find out it is stolen, do you pay? I'd hope not. Again, I find it hard to believe that as rabid as you are on this that you don't have a dog in this fight in some nature. | |||
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This is the biggest thing against him IMO. In not denying that he shot them, how does he account for being paid up when they were not on his original list. | |||
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I have no skin in this game except I enjoy being able to pay my TFs after I get home. And I don't like carrying cash. I know a guy who shot a leopard in Zim. His PH sexed it as a male. He shot it. Turned out to be female. Did he post some whinny diatribe of "What would you do?" Did he refuse to pay the trophy fee because it is against the law to shoot females? No, he manned up to it. Paid the fee. To what degree do we have a right not to pay an operator for a hunt we particpated in? Granted, if you found out you were in a park, that is one thing. But how would you know? My hunting of DG is limited to several Tanzania hunts, but I can guarantee you if anything was done illegally, I would have no idea - esp if on the last day. Remember, this was not a hunt that ended because the client protested what was going on - he shot the whole damn zoo! How many readers on AR have shot a buffalo with a .338? How many have been away from camp in Tanzania after 6pm? These are all illegal. Want more examples? Phifer wanted an "econo" hunt. That is very clear to me after talking to a bunch of guys who hunted with Nixon and were called by Phifer. Well, as Mark Young says, "Sometimes you get what you pay for." If Nixon is breaking the law, that is his problem. But I suspect his infraction is not stealing Phifer's traveler's checks and attempting to cash them. If so, we would have heard from Phifer the day he got back his TCs were stolen. Which brings me to one final point. If I had 9K in TCs stolen (which would never happen, because I wouldn't leave them laying around unsecured) I would immediately cancel the hunt. I would certainly do what I had to do to report them ASAP. If I can't trust an operator's camp or staff not to steal my TCs, how can I be sure everything else is what it seems? | |||
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Scott, that is the most foolish analogy I have seen in a long time. I think that if you put some real thought into what you wrote you will be a bit embarrassed. In this case it would be more correct to say that "you asked me to warm up your home, so I turned the T-stat up to 70. Then a fire started because you store your gunpowder in your furnace. The resulting fire then burns the house down." Now I turned on the furnace with good intentions, as anyone would. You told me to heat-up the house, but did not tell me not to turn on the furnace. The house burned down because of your own stupidity. Would I feel guilty? No, but I would feel bad that you are such a dumb-ass.... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason, It is unfortunate (for Nixon,) that your self righteousness prevents you from seeing how all of your scorched earth tactics have burned Nixon. You vigilantees were warned to tone it down, you were asked to tone it down, it was not so subtly hinted that you should tone it down. Nope, not gonna do it! Several of you said. My analogy is spot on. You broke out the napalm, the house torched, you're marching in front of the house loudly proclaiming your correctness. To boot your shooting spitwads at the neighbors. If I'm going to be embarrased about anything its going to be somebody I know reading this thread and asking me why I bother. I'll end this now, I have gunpowder that needs to be moved to a better location now that you mention it. | |||
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Got out my adding mo-chine. The Nixon arsonists posted three threads that generated 500 responses as a result of 34,600 views so far. Thirty four thousand six hundred views. You guys didn't turn up the thermostat, you didn't use napalm you broke out the atomic arsenal. No wonder Nixon got burned. You still can't see it can you? | |||
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I think you have me confused with someone else. I was not a Nixon supporter. The only thing that I pointed out was some of inconsistencies in the information that has been reported. My point was that Nixon, if guilty of sending clients out without a PH , has no one to blame but himself. If any of his clients or supporters posted anything that brought anyone's illegal actions to light they should not feel bad. They acted in good faith. If rules were broken the person who broke those rules is the one who should be sorry. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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You really don't get it do you? If Nixon was not doing anything illegal(it remains to be seen if his is guilty or not) the publicity generated by these threads would not have done him any harm. Scott, I don't know what your interest is in this whole mess, but I can't believe that you are blind to the fact that the only harm that these threads can do to Nixon(or Bill Phifer) are directly caused by their own actions. I don't believe anyone entered into these threads to offer support for anyone whom they knew was involved in illegal activities. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The real victims of this thread are mostly inocent Americans who booked (relatively) cheap hunt...and either dare not import the trophies or are wondering if big brother is going to vistit them because they have already imported the trophies etc. Nixon's problems are of his own making, but it was this forum that got the ball rolling on him, the TR2's being added up to see just how many of what species were shot and that offset against the quota's, the questions about Simon... Bill got his name (briefly) dragged through the mud, but no real harm done...I suspect only those who get burned by this will even remember the incident in 5 years... So, once again, an excelent example of unintended consiquences...And proof that a) Everybody who S#"ts on you is not your enemy b) Anybody who digs you out of the s#¤t is not necessarily your friend, and c) If you are warm and happy in the S"#t, keep your mouth shut. | |||
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Summarised in a nutshell..... | |||
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Do you think LLamapacker/William Phifer will ever address the simple questions below to clarify any confusion? Posted 08 February 2010 18:25 Hide Post quote: But let’s put that aside and assume the $46,460 figure is real, and maybe someone just had trouble with their math. Dale Wilkie and Bobby Lowe have already posted e-mails and claim that I paid $20K by wire transfer and $9K by traveler’s checks. They further claimed that I owed another $26,460 BEFORE even finding out the T.C.’s had been rejected. How can this be? If Nixon received the T.C.’s as payment, I wouldn’t have owed $26K+. From the initial thread Bobby started, however, it appears that the T.C.’s were deposited in Nixon’s account. It appears they are having trouble keeping their story straight. Their e-mails seem to indicate the T.C.’s weren’t presented for payment of trophy fees. Yet Nixon claims to be upset that the “stolen” T.C.’s were rejected at his bank. Aren’t these stories mutually exclusive? Why isn’t the $9K reflected on the deposits? Other payments? William Phifer/Llampacker, [COLOR:RED]It appears they are having trouble keeping their story straight. William Phifer, Would it be possible that you could clarify the following points, so that I "get my story straight"?: 1. Did you wire 20K prior to the hunt? Yes or No? 2. Did you wire any additional monies before, during or after the hunt? Yes or no? If yes, How much? 3. Who was your PH during the hunt? Simon, Nixon or any other PH? 4. Did you shoot 2 elephants, 2 buffalo, 1 leopard, 1 giraffe, 1 crocodile and a variety of plains game(impala, klipsspringer, kudu) for bait for leopard/lion? Yes or No? If no, please clarify which animals you shot? 5. Did you sign the TR-2 form that was presented on this forum? Yes or No? 6. Did you give Nixon the 9K TC for partial payment for trophy fees? Yes or No? If you refuse to answer these simple questions, than based on the information your total hunt( daily rate/trophy) fees were $46,460. You paid 20K. Balance due is $26,460. You owe 26K, man up to it and pay it. Thanks, Dale | |||
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I was just wondering, how many black PHs are there in Zimbabwe? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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It isn't an uncommon occurrence for people to post who their PH was in their reports. These guys had no idea that Simon wasn't licensed. They did no harm by posting that fact. If Nixon is sending an unlicensed PH on DG hunts alone with clients, he is the one that has done wrong. He is responsible for anything that comes this way. While none of this has been good for Nixon, it appears to be his own fault. As the old saying goes, "If you wanna play, you gotta pay." | |||
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Ganyana: Give me a break. There are laws broken every day when hunting in Africa. I gave some examples. How would you feel if I stiffed you over some issue that while technically illegal, happens all the time? Hell, I saw some laws broken on TV this past week. The guy who will be "looking over his shoulder" is Phifer if he ever decides to hunt in Zim again. I am guessing you and a few others would just as soon see Nixon go out of business. That is the impression you give me. You have said this is not the case. Let's face it: the guy has lower prices than anyone else. Would I like to see my business competition go down in flames? Your bet your ass I would. If anyone here is not a disinterested party, it is you. You and others are the ones who started the whole thread about Nixon's actions. You proved nothing...just made thin accusations. To say now if anything happens to Nixon it is our fault is joke. You and your peers are the ones who "warned" us. Why? Why bring it up in the first place? In any event, it is a fact one of these two parties is wrong. To ignore it and think that is in the best interests of hunting is a joke. If Nixon is as bad as you and others insinuate, then he shouldn't be in business. Personally, no one has proved anything about anyone...yet. What this forum has done is get the wheels of justice turning in the US. Stay tuned. | |||
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I think some of you blokes are missing the point and perhaps STILL can't read between the lines, so I'll try to clarify a little. (Hypothetically of course!) If one party has stiffed another over trophy fees or paid T/Cs and then reported them stolen, that's not only wrong, it's helluva dumb as well and I fully agree that issue needs to be addressed..... preferably in private and if necessary, in court. However, the rest of the discussion/debate/argument/accusation is doing absolutely nothing except make potential trouble for innocent individual forum members, American hunters in general and the entire industry of Zimbabwe at least and possibly the entire African hunting industry. All it'll take is for one or two of the umpteeen thousand views these threads are getting to come from the wrong person or organisation and some people who will have had no idea they'd done anything wrong at all could find themselves charged with something like 12 or 14 offenses ranging from immigration to firearms to Lacey Act violations. Others could find themselves not able to import trophies already shot and awaiting export from Zimbabwe and possibly some of the offenses mentioned above. Even worse, the entire American hunting public at least, could easily find themselves unable to import any elephant product from Zimbabwe because USF&WS have suddenly expanded their Mozambique ban to encompass Zimbabwe as well.......... and if that happens, what's left of the entire Zim hunting industry will collapse. At the very worst, there's a CITES convention coming up and there's no rule that says CITES have to allow ANY quota for ANY sport hunted trophy for ANY species....... and if they decide to withdraw the privilege of sport hunted trophies we'll all be bleating like fuck! Please guys, let's excercise a bit of common sense and discretion here. | |||
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Gatogordo...there are nearly 100 licenced Black PH's in zim. Nixon is one of the better ones. AAZ...quite the contrary..having someone like Nixon around who is genuinely selling cheap hunts is very useful for less well conected operators when they want/need to offer a discount. As you know, there are legal minimum fees applicable in Zim, but if a white operator tries to discount even a fair portion of his hunts to the minimum, he will get audited by the reserve bank. Being able to point at Nixon and say...But he does it! Has been very useful to some. And no, The two politicians eyeing Nixons concession are not people any of us in the industry want to sub lett from either. Did Bill stiff Nixon? Very probably. I surmise that by day 4 of the safari, Bill was a) pissed off with Nixon, b) had worked out that he would never see his trophies (for whatever reason) and c) found the suitable legal loophole so that he could get away without paying any more and proceeded to enjoy the remainder of the safari. True, Bill will not be hunting Zim again in the near future, but nor will his agent...Nixon has failed to declare the agent or agents commission on any of the TR2's from the last couple of years...And in terms of Zim Law, Bill's 'offence' is considerably more minor (and has a short life..if he hasn't been charged in 3 years it goes away) than the agent... What about the former clients... Steve sugested everybody shut up more than a month ago...I seconded him on that. The wolves have smelled blood...and somebody is dinner. My concern is that it is Zimbabwe hunting (since the CITES boss in Zim right now looking at things critically) and our clients who will pay the real price. It is a problem of fighting a battle accross an international field where the rules and concerns in Africa are vastly different from the perception in America - and from from American law. A month ago I could see no winners from this mud slinging match, and I am darn sure that there are only loosers now. Who will loose the most? And will it have been worth it? | |||
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+1 Please silence yourselves no matter how painful. | |||
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Ganyana, You have pointed out the truth eloquently. The real issue is that Nixon offers "cheap hunts." That is his crime. For 46K, Nixon allowed Phifer to kill 2 elephants, 2 buffalo, 1 croc, 1 leopard, 1 giraffe, and a variety of plains game. What a deal!!!! I bet it cannot be match anywhere in Africa. And because of Nixon's "cheap hunt" you feel threatened by the competition. It is obvious your goal is to damage or eliminate Nixon. Otherwise, you and the elite Zimbabwean PH fraternity would be supporting Nixon and doing everything possible to help collect the outstanding balance of 26K. Your comment that "Nixon problems are his own making" are correct. Nixon trusted Phifer's word when he returned he would pay him. That was Nixon's mistake. In addition, the comments regarding Simon not being a PH and Nixon over shooting the quota is irrelevent to the Phifer hunt and is back biting bullshit. If Nixon is doing anything illegal, you are just as guilty. Is it not true that one of the obligations of a Zimbabwean PH is to report any game violations? Have you reported Nixon's game violations? Lastly, your comment that "wondering if big brother is going to visit them"....I hunted with Nixon April 2008. My ivory and other trophies arrived within a year. US Wildlife/fish/game are welcome to inspect my ivory/trophies anytime. Ganyana, looking forward to your response to the above. dale | |||
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Reported Nixon? No need... Parks and Soaz have been onto it for several weeks, And you since the TR2 came up. Bill (aledgedly) defrauded Nixon...Nixon and his Agent have defrauded the Zimbabwe Government..No prises for guessing which is the bigger crime in the eyes of the Government. If I wanted to stiff Nixon, a copy of that TR2 to the reserve bank would do nicely...that is below the gazzeted minimums he is alowed to charge... Parting shot...If you need a trial by internet to get the wheels of justice turning in the USA to deal with a US citizen, then America, you need help. | |||
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Pfifer screws Nixon, Ganyana and the boys see that the Govt. screws Nixon, we lose Zim as a hunting destination, and Pfifer winds up with a free safari and laughs his ass off. I say get a rope. | |||
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I'm sure the Zim game dept/Govt don't need Ganyana's help in this and you'll excuse me saying that the accusation was uncalled for. In fact, he's one of the guys that's been trying to protect the members here by suggesting people try to exercise a degree of discretion.  | |||
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I don't get the attack on Ganyana either. I never read him comments the way certain others have. What I read was that there was more to this than meets the eye. That has pretty much proven to be true. If Nixon is not operating within the law, it is his problem and his alone. No other PH forced him to send clients with an unlicensed PH. It sounds like the authorities got wind of this from postings here, not from any specific individual's report. Wouldn't it piss you off to find out a safari company sent you to hunt DG with an unlicensed guy? Perhaps I completely read this wrong. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by daleW: [ The real issue is that Nixon offers "cheap hunts." That is his crime." What about the fact that SSG uses unlicensed PH's on dangerous game safaris? Is that not a crime? There are a couple of hunt reports back in Novemeber that clearly state buff and elephant were taken with Simon as the PH. It is my understanding that he is not licensed as a dangerous game PH. Does this not trouble you? | |||
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I'm not saying that Nixon may not have some serious skeletons in his closet. But if there are, those are an issue completely separate from what precipitated this. IF the PH community had issues with Nixon, they should have been brought out and addressed by the hunting community in Zim long before now. It seems that this issue with Pfifer has presented an opportunity for a perfect storm to be directed against Nixon, and there are those who are willing to take advantage of the consequences of a fraud in order to advance their personal (professional) agendas. I am incensed and offended, AND embarrased as an American citizen that another citizen of this country would refuse to honor his obligations to pay for what he shot on safari and thus place Nixon or ANY OTHER PH in such financial jeopardy. We are better than that. I have never hunted with Nixon or had any communication with him, nor have I hunted Zim. But right is right, and this is flat out wrong. | |||
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Sharpsguy: You said that very eloquently. Ganyana, my apologies. It seemed like you were dismissing any possible unethical act on the part of Phifer as a non-event not worthy of consideration. Thanks for clarifying that. | |||
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For the record, you and others did try and warn the jury...... | |||
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The issues with Nixon regarding Simon are being sorted out internally between Nixon and SOAZ. For the record, until proof is given that Simon actually committed a crime by hunting without a licence, he is not guilty of any crime.This will be investigated by SOAZ and Parks and it will be done within Zimbabwe under our code of ethics and by the laws laid out by the Department of National Parks and Wildlife Management. martinpieterssafaris@gmail.com www.martinpieterssafaris.com " hunt as if it's your last one you'll ever be on" | |||
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Not sure what level of "proof" is required, but just have them talk to SBT or H Kittle. They have well documented hunting and taking dangerous game with Simon and Nixon no where around. | |||
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+1 0n the popcorn I think with all the attention If I had hunted with Nixon, whether as SOLE PH or not-- I would keep my mouth shut and particularly would not initiate contact. This seems to be taking the broad brush investigative turn and I for one would wish to avoid governmental bureaucracy on either continent. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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I have a copy of a Sudan license from abot'75 and thepictures of my '76 CAE one, but I have lost the actual some where in the interval of then and now. Never was offerred copies of any of the others from Zim, Zambia or Kenya | |||
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Those have to bring great memories of the hunts. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Without being there and going through the pockets of everyone in the hunting truck to see if they had a license or not, it could be tough to know if someone other than Simon was actually in charge. Might be best to let things be sorted out before making accusations that could have far reaching consequences. | |||
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Have you read the referenced hunting reports? Those guys were there. I'm not making any accusations. Just making a statement based on reading a very detailed hunt report. Perhaps the reports were/are inaccurate? | |||
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That is a completely uncalled for attack on Ganyana. What ever the truth about the situation concerning Bill and Nixon, Ganyana (and shakari for that matter) have repeatedly suggested no good will come of airing dirty laundry in public. You ask why Ganyana or the rest of the industry are not defending Nixon? If they believe Nixon has broken or bent the law, why should they? While you are focusing on the issue bewteen Bill and Nixon, they are more worried about the possible implications to former clients, upcoming clients, other Opertators and the industry in general.... Whether intentionally or not, Nixon supports have thrown fuel on the fire by posting accounts and paperwork that raise more questions than answers about Nixons operations, so please don't get all "holier than thou" with regards Ganyanas alledged motives... Peter | |||
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The publicity generated by these threads has put enough doubt in my mind that I will never book a hunt with Nixon. This would not have been the case 2 months ago before I read some of this stuff. I am not picking sides, as I have no idea who the bad guy is in this story. I have not read through all this mess, but I have read enough to know my money and vacation time will be put to use elsewhere. Go Duke!! | |||
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Pete: I wrote Ganyana gave me the impression he was more interested in Nixon's behavior than Phifers. And he clarified that. And I thanked him and apologized. That is all. I am not alone in expressing disgust for Phifer's actions. Like I said Pete, if the guy shot a 50 lb ele, this whole thing would be a non-issue. If hunting in Zim is so fragile that this one thread can break the camel's back, then it is a pretty spineless camel. | |||
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And there it is. The Nixon supporters have not only garnered the attention of ZPHGA but are driving off potential clients. Good intentions do not matter. Results matter. | |||
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isn't there an old saying about what the road to Hell is paved with?? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Scott, Could not disagree with you more. The fact is that that lowlife llamapacker got away skipping out on his bill. In the process, he threw out a red herring (A.R.F. Hah!). It was swallowed hook, line, and sinker. And not only did it serve to deflect the heat from his slimy skin, Nixon's business may suffer another blow. Way to go, a$$hole. How wrong is that? It is the old defense lawyer trick - if you cannot dispute the facts, destroy the character of the dead cop. Packer, I hope you remember your safari was all about you crying like a little girl when you shot a "trophy" that was not to your liking. That, tootsie, would be justice. "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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I'll make the following predictions as to Nixon: Nixon will be fine. A small slap on the wrist. He is a credit to his race and his country and that will outweigh other accusations. Simon will be fine. A small slap on the wrist and he will be put on a fast track to certification. Nixon will continue to offer reasonably priced hunts with good results. I wouldn't hesitate to hunt with Simon since he is obviously a good guide who has learned his craft from his Father. Just as lawyers sign off on their paralegal's work, electricians sign off on their apprentice son's work, general contractors sign off on subs work, etc., Simon is under the watchful eyes of his father. I wish Nixon well. As to Llamapacker, I will only believe what is presented as evidence in the litigation, not the speculation here.Let the courts sort that one out. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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