I wrote SSK the other day saying that I was going to buy a 40x44 barrel from someone that said it came from them. I asked if they would sell me a set of dies for this caliber and they said yes. Today I got this from JD Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>
Today I got a "tip" from someone. If I have a choice I do not do business with liars, crooks and people who try to make a fool of me. After looking at the posts on Accuratereloading Forums I conclude you fit at least two of those categories. Accordingly you are now #1 in our list of people whom we will not do business with under any circumstances. J D Jones
I don't understand where he is coming from this this onslaught. JD is a VERY opinionated person, but I just don't see how he could refer to you as anything like that. That is unwarranted and is, in fact, sufficient grounds for legal action. Questioning someone's credibility and name-calling don't set well with me, especially when such accusations are highly unwarranted.
One thing, though: JD will not admit when he is wrong. Yes, he's a knowledgeable person, but he can be wrong as well. I recall a phone conversation with him years ago when the Ballistic Tips first came out. We were talking about loads for the 6.5 JDJ, and he told me the BT was "too hard" to perform on deer, that I should not be hunting if I did not understand that the 125 grain Partition and 120 grain Speer were "it.". He basically told me I was full of you-know-what. But I let my own expansion testing make up my mind. I used the BTs then and still use them now. And guess what, now JD raves about the way the 120 grain BT performs.
Posts: 9454 | Location: Shiner TX USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
Jules, I did not know I was associating with known "liars, crooks and people who try to make a fool of me." I don't know if I can play with you anymore. <BFG> Dave Translation (Big Fat Grin)
In your email quote you state that the barrel you are buying came from them, them being SSK. But in the thread a few down you said that you are going to size a case and have DVH make the barrel. OOPS! Could this be were the tipster concluded that your story was not straight forward? Must add I am not the tipster, or do I own a SSK barrel, or do I ever plan to. Loose lips sink ships!
Wildcat. All I did was ask DVH the question and for a price, and I didn't know I was not allowed to do that. I also have asked that same question to other barrel makers. What I was doing is finding out if buying a new barrel was that much more then the guys asking price for a used one. If you read my other post from last night, I said I may just end up gettin the barrel from SSK. Aint no loose lips, Just stating facts!!!
What I don't understand is this. If you were going to buy a second hand barrel Or have a new one made else where JD still wasn't losing any money. As a matter of fact he stands to make money on the deal by the sale of the dies. It just sounds like someone pumped up JD to stir the pot. Just a guess. Rich Jake
Posts: 1213 | Location: Middletown NY USA | Registered: 11 March 2002
I'm not yellin Wildcat. It just sounds that way I just wanted to let everyone know how childish some people act for no reason at all. If any of ya'll on here were an owner of a big establishment like SSK, would you have time to send an email like that to some little guy like me? Seems like someone who reads these posts don't have anything better to do then start shit with someone who they don't know. I have never talked shit about anyone on any of these forums. But that's life,I guess.
I'm not yellin Wildcat. It just sounds that way I just wanted to let everyone know how childish some people act for no reason at all. If any of ya'll on here were an owner of a big establishment like SSK, would you have time to send an email like that to some little guy like me? Seems like someone who reads these posts don't have anything better to do then start shit with someone who they don't know. I have never talked shit about anyone on any of these forums. But that's life,I guess.
Jules..One things to me after enough years to understand...KINDNESS is Mostly taken for WEAKNESS. The Nice Guy DOES NOT WIN!!......And if you think about this I will be right %75 of the time. If JD said this about you.... he is Childist ..Pinko ...commy Fag...And I rest this discision on his Thrashing of you..for HEAR-SAY Plain and simple...But then some think he really INVENTED most of those JD rounds......YIKES!
So who is the Freind that Talked Baddly to him about you??
I may have made a mistake when I said that I might get the barrel from SSK on another post. At least I couldn't find it. It may have been an email I sent to someone that I said it. I can't remember. But I know for sure I said it. Oh well, dont matter now.
So who is the Freind that Talked Baddly to him about you??
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Not sure Fireball. But when I finish with this little VooDoo doll....... You know, poking these little pins in the lower back area. We will find out soon enough.
Jules- Seems to me the voodoo doll is working. I'm hearing some yelling all the way here in Texas -- and it seems to be coming from some "pond" in 'Bama!
Posts: 9454 | Location: Shiner TX USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
Here was Jules post under twist rate & at the bottom of that thread you'll see that I suggest that the twist rate may be very important & should go with SSK for performance reasons.
Rich Jake
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posted 08-21-2002 04:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Rick, Shilen is using 1:16 in there 40...10mm barrels. I guess this will be fine for the 40/44. I didn't want to press my luck by asking JD Jones what twist he is using for this round. But I may end up getting the barrel from him anyway. There really isn't that many good jacketed bullets for hunting with this round. Maybe Hornady 180XTPs, but I know the hard cast 170gr SWC and the 180gr RNFP will do a number on just about any game I plan to hunt as long as I can get them to shoot.
-------------------- Jules
Posts: 1213 | Location: Middletown NY USA | Registered: 11 March 2002
quote:Originally posted by Jules: Thanks Rick, Shilen is using 1:16 in there 40...10mm barrels. I guess this will be fine for the 40/44. I didn't want to press my luck by asking JD Jones what twist he is using for this round. But I may end up getting the barrel from him anyway. There really isn't that many good jacketed bullets for hunting with this round. Maybe Hornady 180XTPs, but I know the hard cast 170gr SWC and the 180gr RNFP will do a number on just about any game I plan to hunt as long as I can get them to shoot.
I guess this is what pissed him off. It is from the rate of twist thread.
QUESTION: Does he hold a patent on this caliber?? If not, what is the big deal?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
JULES we have many custom barrel makers! And w have the RIGHT to chooose from WHOM we buy. My opinion is that JD is OVERPRICED. Guess I will be banned from purchasing any more of his barrels now??? The would be POOR bussiness practice...you take ones money...when you can get it...WITH A SMILE.
I have done business with JD Jones many times and have never had an ounce of trouble with him. Good products, tons of firsthand knowledge, and a very fine gentleman in my opinion. Do I think he is perfect? Are any of us? I know one thing I will listen to him before I would listen anyone else. His brakes are great because he has tried them firsthand. Believe me I know they are great. Does it sound like I am pro SSK and JD Jones you better believe it. Whether or not he got riled up or not is not the question. The question is did someone jerk his chain? How do we react when someone jerks our chain. Bet we don't like it either. Oh well.
Jules, Looking back over your posts I could see where JD may get upset. If you told him you were buying a used barrel and needed dies, and then SOMEONE told him you were getting a barrel made by another barrel maker. The posts seem to back this up. I am not trying to stand up for what JD said about you, but I can see where if he looked at the post he could get upset. Lets all remember the antigunners would love to see us all fighting with each other, instead of fighting together for our 2nd Amendment rites. Lone Hunter
Posts: 210 | Location: Smithfield, NC, USA | Registered: 15 April 2002
Thanks for the support guys, and thanks for finding that post. Maybe i'll just show up at the YO ranch for an annual handgun hunt and see what happens.
quote:Originally posted by MePlat: I have done business with JD Jones many times and have never had an ounce of trouble with him. Good products, tons of firsthand knowledge, and a very fine gentleman in my opinion. Do I think he is perfect? Are any of us? I know one thing I will listen to him before I would listen anyone else. His brakes are great because he has tried them firsthand. Believe me I know they are great. Does it sound like I am pro SSK and JD Jones you better believe it. Whether or not he got riled up or not is not the question. The question is did someone jerk his chain? How do we react when someone jerks our chain. Bet we don't like it either. Oh well.
Jules, Though we've never met, I hope you know how I feel on the subject.
The really interesting thing to me is how people seem to be able to afford to cut out chunks of their business.
When I was a contractor, I took all the work I could get. UNTIL a customer became more of a liability than I could rationalize. Then, I would be VERY PC in the way I told them I didn't want to work with them anymore.
I ain't never been in business to make a statement, just money. Must be nice.
steve
Posts: 329 | Location: North Pole, AK | Registered: 22 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by Lone Hunter: Jules, Looking back over your posts I could see where JD may get upset. If you told him you were buying a used barrel and needed dies, and then SOMEONE told him you were getting a barrel made by another barrel maker. The posts seem to back this up.
You are correct on the matter. But don't you think he should have asked me first? I even asked him if he had a 40x44 barrel after I ordered the dies, and he said no. And that was before he read any post on here.
quote:Originally posted by 1buba: Jules, Though we've never met, I hope you know how I feel on the subject.
The really interesting thing to me is how people seem to be able to afford to cut out chunks of their business.
When I was a contractor, I took all the work I could get. UNTIL a customer became more of a liability than I could rationalize. Then, I would be VERY PC in the way I told them I didn't want to work with them anymore.
I ain't never been in business to make a statement, just money. Must be nice.
steve
I guess Steve. The whole thing in a nutshell is that other people who don't like us on this forum are going to do what they can to start shit, and that's the bottom line. I wouldn't think that a big time business man would have to lower his self to read these forumns anyway.
I used to frequent a sporting goods store may years a go that was owned by a very polite easy going gentleman that always had a quick stopping point whenever a customer was not on the up and up with him or the guys that worked for him. He always put them in their place quickly and firmly. He also told the guys that run the store for them to do the same and he would stand behind them. As long as you acted reasonable and was polite eveything was ok but he would get you told in a hurry. He always had good business. Many of us use the old "act dumb and innocent technique" on people when we make them mad by saying "what did I do?"did I do something to make you mad?", when we know most of the time good and well what we did. I use it on my wife quite often. It's just that some people don't buy it because they have learned better then they bow up and call the person on it.
quote:Originally posted by MePlat: I used to frequent a sporting goods store may years a go that was owned by a very polite easy going gentleman that always had a quick stopping point whenever a customer was not on the up and up with him or the guys that worked for him. He always put them in their place quickly and firmly. He also told the guys that run the store for them to do the same and he would stand behind them. As long as you acted reasonable and was polite eveything was ok but he would get you told in a hurry. He always had good business. Many of us use the old "act dumb and innocent technique" on people when we make them mad by saying "what did I do?"did I do something to make you mad?", when we know most of the time good and well what we did. I use it on my wife quite often. It's just that some people don't buy it because they have learned better then they bow up and call the person on it.
Do you work for SSK or are you just trying to make me look like an ass?
Sounds like somebody needs to get laid. Considering that there are plenty of friendly, honest people out there to buy toys from, I guess I won't be spending any nickels w/JD.
Just another reason to call VVCG for your leisure time entertainment needs...
Mark Dumais
Posts: 97 | Location: Batavia, IL USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
Jules ,I agree he should of talked to you first. I don't agree with the waye he handled the sittuation, But he could have posted it on this site for all to see,which is what alot of people would have done. Sounds like someone jerked his chain and he reacted badly. Every thing I have read about him says he is very straight forward and very opionated. The man has done alot to further the sport of handgunning. All my dealings with him have been Top Notch. Give him a call and see what happens. Lone Hunter
Posts: 210 | Location: Smithfield, NC, USA | Registered: 15 April 2002
JULES: I am not trying to make you or anyone look like an ass. Just saying that everyone of us has a bad day. I have them and also everyone has. Do I think you did anything wrong? I don't know. We just got your version and everyone tells the story to make themselves look good. Most people know that JD does not participate on these or anyother form and it is easy to JD bash. In fact there is someone on Accuratereloading right now that is good at at making people look like an ass and they will eat it up because they haven't caught on that he is using diplomacy to do it. Some others else where caught on and it caused a stir-up. I'm just waiting to see how long it takes till people on this forum get a "heads up" on it too. If I though you are an ass I would tell you on here by E-Mail or in person too. You might knock me on my ass if we were in person and I called you an ass but that would not change my mind. As far as I know you are probably a good person. And no I don't work for SSK or any other gun producer or anything else.. My wife supports me. Ha Ha Ha.
quote:Originally posted by Lone Hunter: Jules ,I agree he should of talked to you first. I don't agree with the waye he handled the sittuation, But he could have posted it on this site for all to see,which is what alot of people would have done. Sounds like someone jerked his chain and he reacted badly. Every thing I have read about him says he is very straight forward and very opionated. The man has done alot to further the sport of handgunning. All my dealings with him have been Top Notch. Give him a call and see what happens. Lone Hunter
quote:Originally posted by MePlat: ...In fact there is someone on Accuratereloading right now that is good at at making people look like an ass and they will eat it up because they haven't caught on that he is using diplomacy to do it...
Perhaps JD should take a lesson from Mike; if he used a little diplomacy, maybe we'd "eat it up" too instead of taking our business elsewhere.
MePlat - for some reason your post reminds me of an ambulance call I was on once. It was a no-lights-and-sirens call to pick up a wasted schizophrenic druggie who had just punched out his own father in the middle of the street, after which he had promptly gotten whupped upside the head by the cops with a billy club or something. While we were en-route to the nuthouse for to get his head squeezed, handcuffed face-down on the gurney secured with sheepskin lined leather restraints and a couple of them orange seat-belt kinda straps, he says "Boy, I really showed them!"
I don't know why you comment reminded me of that. If I understood it, I guess I'd know a lot more about the ultimate nature of the universe than I do...
Anyway, thanks for the insight.
Mark Dumais
Posts: 97 | Location: Batavia, IL USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
quote:Originally posted by Lone Hunter: Jules ,I agree he should of talked to you first. I don't agree with the waye he handled the sittuation, But he could have posted it on this site for all to see,which is what alot of people would have done. Sounds like someone jerked his chain and he reacted badly. Every thing I have read about him says he is very straight forward and very opionated. The man has done alot to further the sport of handgunning. All my dealings with him have been Top Notch. Give him a call and see what happens. Lone Hunter
I think my dealings with SSK is over. I'll be the first to admit that my post on here made him upset. But why? I paid him up front for the dies. Plus he said he didn't have a barrel and didn't ask if I wanted one made. I didn't want to pay $250.00 for that used rechambered barrel so I started asking around. I don't see any reason for anyone to call me a crook or lier or anything else, and Whos the fool? I did what anyone else on here would have done. And that's to get what you want,and from who you want. By no means am I a goodie two shoes and I never said I was. But you can bet your bottom dollar that this won't happen again.
It's obvious that someone ratted you out to JD....we will probably never know who......
"liars, crooks and people who try to make a fool of me"
Only you can say for sure if any of this describes your dealings with JD, we don't know exactly what you told JD or what your intent was.......but, just from the things that you posted here .....things don't look to be in your favor......
Please understand, I'm not judging or condemning you at all, I don't know everything that happened........but.....from reading your posts, it appears that you tried to deceive JD so he would sell you the dies.......not saying that's what happened....just saying that is how it appears.......
The big question is, what are you going to do now??? Did SSK already ship the dies?? I am assuming that you won't be getting a barrel from SSK?
Posts: 1499 | Location: NE Okla | Registered: 22 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by MePlat: JULES: If I though you are an ass I would tell you on here by E-Mail or in person too. You might knock me on my ass if we were in person and I called you an ass but that would not change my mind.
You lost me man. Now your talking about knocking someone on there ass? See you just passed judgment on me and don't even know me. Come on Man. I have my 3 grandkids living with me and I got better things to do then knock people on there ass.
quote:Originally posted by Lone Hunter: ...Every thing I have read about him says he is very straight forward and very opionated. The man has done alot to further the sport of handgunning. All my dealings with him have been Top Notch. Give him a call and see what happens. Lone Hunter
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Great idea! Maybe if Jules apologizes and kisses his ass, he'll be permitted to buy a barrel some day...
Mark Dumais
Posts: 97 | Location: Batavia, IL USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
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Could this be were the tipster concluded that your story was not straight forward? Must add I am not the tipster, or do I own a SSK barrel, or do I ever plan to. Loose lips sink ships!
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