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If you guys have not learned something from all this, I guess there really is little hope for humanity.

There were quite a few valid points brought out, I think.

To most of you it seems that restraint of trade is ok. It is your loss when one person is allowed to set such a precedent and your $$ vote lets it happen.

Another two pfennig's worth.

Mike

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What if it was the FEDS that told Jules that they didn't approve of what he was going to use the dies for so they weren't going to let him use his own money to purchase them? What if it was Remington, or Hornady, or Winchester? I understand where you are Mike and I totally agree. JD chose to market HIS (?) chamberings to the public his own self. Nobody made him. So he's going to tell me how to use my mop, can opener, shovel, etc.. after I buy it ? Was he appointed King and I didn't know ? By the way, do any of his "PROPRIETARY" cartriges actually offer something that you can't make a factory load do? And that's right guys, he doesn't own the T/C desing patents or make all his complete guns from scratch using all his own designs. This guy is only a person like me or you. mvm

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Of course, I could be wrong...and frequently am. But it seems to me that there's less to this than meets the eye....or in other words...the deeper it goes the shallower it gets.

I don't have any doubt that the conversation between Jules and JDJ went pretty much like Jules relates it. If you've been reading TC stuff for a while, it shouldn't be a big surprise that JD has a large ego and likes to make the rules as he see them. Has he done anything immoral or illegal? Well, other than imply some ugly things about Jules, not really. He simply wants to have all the business from the cartridges and chamberings he named, to himself. Selfish people with big eogs are nothing new. Face it, most of us who are in business would like to be able to name our prices, get only the jobs we want and not have to do things we don't want. Personally, I'd like to have all the business in my field, with the exception of people I don't want to do business with. I don't see JD as being any different, he's just up front and more vocal about it.

Will this thread cost him some business? probably, but as for me, I doubt I'd buy anything from him anyway. His prices are, IMO, unreasonable. Everything he makes is available elsewhere.

Conclusion - JDJ is an arrogant jerk with poor judgement. I can get anything he makes other places probably at better prices. Therefore, as a friend once told me about someone else...."that's just one less sumbitch I got to talk to"

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For what it's worth, earlier this year I bought a used 309JDJ. I called SSK ordered a set of dies, paid my money and they arrived in 4 days. No questions asked. I have called SSK 3 times on all of them I have spoken with a woman who answers the phone and takes orders.
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All I know is my Master Card has been charged $74.00 by SSK Industries for a set of 40/44 dies and I aint got em yet.

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All I know is my Master Card has been charged $74.00 by SSK Industries for a set of 40/44 dies and I aint got em yet.

GOOD!! Then when they arrive you can size a few cases and get that barrel built by DVH.

I sure appreciate that most of the others handgun cartridge designers/promoters arent so damn selfish. If they were WE would probably be doing a lot more wildcating...... [Big Grin]

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I've bought both a 309 JDJ and 375 JDJ. I've spoke with JD Jones a few times. He's always been friendly and answered my questions. Is he expensive? I've always figured you get what you pay for. I"ve owned barrels from Bullberry, Virgin Valley and SSK. The only ones I still own are the SSK barrels. My SSK out shot the other barrels any day. Will I still buy from SSK, you bet.

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Jesus went unto the mount of olives
2 And early in the morning he came again unto the temple,and all the people came unto him; and he sat down,and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They said unto him, Master this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest though?
6 This they said tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the oldest, even unto the last; and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemmed thee?
11 She said, No man Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

This is what we all should strive to remember. There is none of us on these forums that are without sin or transgressions against our fellow man. Lets let Jules and JD use their own consciences to work this out and not cast stones at either one of them. This was something that should have been worked out by the two of them in private. We have been acting like the scribes and Pharisees wanting to unload our truckful of big rocks in their direction.

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Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged; and what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.

This is not saying either Jules or JD was at fault or that either was innocent we really don't know the whole story. Lets reserve judgement. Lets let this stone casting drop.

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I'm sorry I don't agree with you on this one. I like the fact that it is out for all to see. You notice that JD didn't post it, so we all could see it. I think that he over reacted to something that A third party told him. My suggestion is if this type of discussion offends you, maybe you need to deside if this is the thing for you. Many things can be learned in a civil give & take.I think that It is healthy to discuss matters. Who knows it may even cause someone to change their position. Sorry to Disagree.
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If jimbob jones don't want me to use his apples in my pie, I'll get 'em from sally sue! mvm

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Rich Jake:: That is the problem. Can anyting like this be kept civil.. You also hit the nail on the head that JD is not on here, he is not defending himself, and we have only heard one side of the story. If Jules had been trying to dupe JD (not saying he was just if) would he admit it. Probably not. No one knows if there was a third party involved. Just because JD does not participate on these forumsdoes not mean he doesn't read them. If we go back and read the post about sending a cartride to the other guy to get him to chamber for the 40X44 using JD's dies to make the cartridge is not a good sign. But who knows what was told JD by Jules. This is why I have made the statement before that when most people tell something they try to tell it to make themselves look good or innocent whether they are or not.
I am going to relate a incident that happened to me to reinforce my above contention.. A buddy I usedshoot with and I got into bullet casting. We bought a pot together a couple of molds together and some metal together. But I paid as near as I could figure roughly 80 percent of the cost on all total. The deal was since I paid the most if anything happened all of the equipment would then be mine. Everything went well for a few years and then the friendship started to go sour. This "friend" then told a buddy of mine how dirty I did him because I kept all the equipment and such and how we went in together on some of it. Which was true but he left out that I footed roughly 80percent of everything and also didn't tell about the deal that I could keep all if it went sour. He also didn't tell how I helped him even cast his bullets and size them too sometimes even on my own for him. No to mention hauling him around to shoot and also how I worked on his guns for free. This made me look bad because only selected bits and pieces of truth was told by my "friend" in order to make me look bad. I couldn't argue with the truth though except only selective parts were told. So even if someone tellsthe truth it does not mean it is the whole truth. After this incident i have always be cautious of wheter the truth is the whole truth. That is the reason I try to give JD the benifit of the doubt as Iwould anyone in a situation like this. Whether or not he handled it in a good way or not is not the question with me as I have not handled all situations correctly and neither has anyone else on on here Hence the verses about casting the first stone. i hope you understand my position.

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Rich Jake:: That is the problem. Can anyting like this be kept civil.. You also hit the nail on the head that JD is not on here, he is not defending himself, and we have only heard one side of the story. If Jules had been trying to dupe JD (not saying he was just if) would he admit it. Probably not. No one knows if there was a third party involved. Just because JD does not participate on these forumsdoes not mean he doesn't read them. If we go back and read the post about sending a cartride to the other guy to get him to chamber for the 40X44 using JD's dies to make the cartridge is not a good sign. But who knows what was told JD by Jules. This is why I have made the statement before that when most people tell something they try to tell it to make themselves look good or innocent whether they are or not.
I am going to relate a incident that happened to me to reinforce my above contention.. A buddy I usedshoot with and I got into bullet casting. We bought a pot together a couple of molds together and some metal together. But I paid as near as I could figure roughly 80 percent of the cost on all total. The deal was since I paid the most if anything happened all of the equipment would then be mine. Everything went well for a few years and then the friendship started to go sour. This "friend" then told a buddy of mine how dirty I did him because I kept all the equipment and such and how we went in together on some of it. Which was true but he left out that I footed roughly 80percent of everything and also didn't tell about the deal that I could keep all if it went sour. He also didn't tell how I helped him even cast his bullets and size them too sometimes even on my own for him. No to mention hauling him around to shoot and also how I worked on his guns for free. This made me look bad because only selected bits and pieces of truth was told by my "friend" in order to make me look bad. I couldn't argue with the truth though except only selective parts were told. So even if someone tellsthe truth it does not mean it is the whole truth. After this incident i have always be cautious of wheter the truth is the whole truth. That is the reason I try to give JD the benifit of the doubt as Iwould anyone in a situation like this. Whether or not he handled it in a good way or not is not the question with me as I have not handled all situations correctly and neither has anyone else on on here Hence the verses about casting the first stone. i hope you understand my position.

I have NO reason to give JD the benifit of doubt..My dealings with him on warrant were TERRIBLE..his attitude was Less that polite...seems to me with my dealings if I was not not a freind of a freind...then I should not even want warranty...because he was GOD of TC..I know other that feel the same..I know alot of you have had good dealings...But the story jules tells...sounds right up JDs alley...I feel you have MUCH more at stake with JD than you admit too but that is your bussiness.
My feelings are still the same..and since you wanted to quote the bible>>> ok Mepalt...Being in business...JD should take up John 3:16???

Fireball......I Have no more to say on this [Eek!]

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I understand your position, just don't agree with it. I don't understand why he is questioning his customers. He has always answered any questions that I had. I have had nothing but good dealings with the man. If his ideas are indeed patented then he may have a gripe. If not he has nothing to stand on. If he only wants to deal with a closed group of people,he shouldn't be advertising in the public forum. If I want to buy a set of dies to throw at the neighbors, of what concern of it, is it to him? What it looks like to me is he got angry at the fact the someone else might have got the sale for the barrel instead of him. Which brings us back to the start of the whole thing if Jules was buying them for a used barrel & then decides that he would rather have a new one built by a third party JD still sold a set of dies & didn't loose a penny from the deal. Unless he has a patent on the design & then it would be the barrel maker that he would have a problem with, not Jules.
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Look back at his first sentence.>>>>Today I got a "tip" from someone>>>>Now unless i'm stupid, that tells me there's a 3rd. party. And that's why I posted it. No other reason.
And as far as a lier or making a fool of someone. If he wouldn't have listened to the person that told him to check out my post, it wouldn't have made any difference to anyone. Seems to me, he should be looking at the person that told him in the first place. He's the one that made a fool out of Jones. [Smile]

And Jones is the one who made the choise with who he wants to do business with, not me.
But now that I know how he really is, I would rather not do business with him anyway. There is more then one pond and we all know how many gunsmiths and barrel makers there are.

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I am sorry that this has degraded to a he said deal. When I said third party I meant that maybe no one told him what was going on but just to look at the postings is all. I have no dealings with JD Jones except I have some of his products. I have never seen the man other than in photos and that is all. I do know that at one time being on the other end of a bad situation with a "friend" it has made me have more compassion for people. I am sorry that we shooters have seen fit to be an uncompassionate group that will hang out some on to dry after having done a lot for handgun hunting, handgun shooting, and the overall well being when it comes to handgunning. Even some of the detractors that Jones have had in the past even recognizes him as a man in the forefront of the handgunning industry. I just hope that I continue to have some compassion as I travel down the road of life. Just remember that what goes around comes around and you never know when one of us may be in a similar position with all the vultures hanging out waiting to pick our bones. I sure wouldn't like it. Makes me wonder what the shooting world is coming to since we are ready to crucifie someone that has strong opinions and feelings. That must be a crime in this world now to stand up for what we believe and to tell people in a no uncertain way. Well have fun at your little execution party but remember it may be one of us the next time thats sitting in the hot seat. How does it feel Jules to be the the Big Guy at the button that controls the show?

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Meplat,

The facts are here is black and white if you read the whole thread!!

- Jules mentioned to JD that he may be buying a used barrel in order to obtain the dies. True or not, matters not to me. You should not be required to qualify why you are buying an item such as dies.
- Jules mentioned to us here, that he may size some cases to send to DVH so he could build a barrel OR might just get one from SSK.

I think that the real issue here is the "proprietary cartridge" thing.....this is what we should be focused on! That is what has created the whole issue!! [Mad]

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Meathead,
I can see that you don't have a clue whats going on here and there is really no reason to answer any of your posts.

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101 posts . . . . is this how that flippin' MatchKing thread started? [Roll Eyes]

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101 posts . . . . is this how that flippin' MatchKing thread started?

ROFLMAO!!

BTW, 102....

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I've had several communications with JD Jones and consider him to be a great guy full of helpful advise.... and the one barrel I have of his is really quality merchandise and very accurate to boot....

His prices are high and he can get a bit arrogant but I still give him a big thumbs up.......

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Fireball, how about 1John 1:9? Not only for JD, but for all of us! [Wink]

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Hey, Jules! The light came on.

I'd have to grind a reamer, BUT you could use .38/40 dies to size the neck and set the shoulder on cases, then run 'em through a .44 Mag. size die. Seat bullets with the .38/40 seater.

Still no check for the 10mm auto barrel here on hold. So if you want it, speak up. Ken will vouche for its condition.... pristine. S-14 blue with sights, in the right TC factory box if that means anything to you.

If you can live with the long shoulder angle, the die problem can be solved pretty easily.

Let's see, is this 104 posts? Rockin'

Mike

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I am sorry that this has degraded to a he said deal. When I said third party I meant that maybe no one told him what was going on but just to look at the postings is all. I have no dealings with JD Jones except I have some of his products. I have never seen the man other than in photos and that is all. I do know that at one time being on the other end of a bad situation with a "friend" it has made me have more compassion for people. I am sorry that we shooters have seen fit to be an uncompassionate group that will hang out some on to dry after having done a lot for handgun hunting, handgun shooting, and the overall well being when it comes to handgunning. Even some of the detractors that Jones have had in the past even recognizes him as a man in the forefront of the handgunning industry. I just hope that I continue to have some compassion as I travel down the road of life. Just remember that what goes around comes around and you never know when one of us may be in a similar position with all the vultures hanging out waiting to pick our bones. I sure wouldn't like it. Makes me wonder what the shooting world is coming to since we are ready to crucifie someone that has strong opinions and feelings. That must be a crime in this world now to stand up for what we believe and to tell people in a no uncertain way. Well have fun at your little execution party but remember it may be one of us the next time thats sitting in the hot seat. How does it feel Jules to be the the Big Guy at the button that controls the show?

It is unfortunate that JD doesn't have the time to defend himself here against all these intolerant meanies...thank goodness he has you.

Seriously MePlat, and I'm sorry if you think I'm busting your chops, but most people would think that JD is fully capable of defending his own position/actions. Personally, I'd like to hear his side of the storey, though at the moment (unless Jules has a couple of axe-murders in his past that he's neglected to tell us about) I can't imagine what he might say that would change my mind. I'd be willing to listen though.

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Still no check for the 10mm auto barrel here on hold. So if you want it, speak up. Ken will vouche for its condition.... pristine. S-14 blue with sights, in the right TC factory box if that means anything to you.

There ya go Jules!! [Big Grin]

BTW, i believe this is 107!!

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I know,I know! [Big Grin]

I'll just bite my tongue for now. I'll wait and see what happens in the next couple of days. [Wink]

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Hey, Jules! The light came on.

I'd have to grind a reamer, BUT you could use .38/40 dies to size the neck and set the shoulder on cases, then run 'em through a .44 Mag. size die. Seat bullets with the .38/40 seater.

Still no check for the 10mm auto barrel here on hold. So if you want it, speak up. Ken will vouche for its condition.... pristine. S-14 blue with sights, in the right TC factory box if that means anything to you.

If you can live with the long shoulder angle, the die problem can be solved pretty easily.

Let's see, is this 104 posts? Rockin'

Mike

Gotta see what happens this week Mike. Heck, I don't wanna piss off another person [Smile]

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If dies and loadin are that simple.....

I think that the 40x44mag round sounds like a good "off the shelf barrel" for a gunsmith that is thinkin of buildin some new barrels! [Wink]

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Personally, I'd like to hear his side of the story(JD's).

So would I. I wonder if the tipster is man enough to own up to his little games? Why stay in the shadows come on out,after all you must of had A Really good reason for doing what you did! Oh that's right if you did that you couldn't be anonymous any more. [Roll Eyes]

Rich Jake

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Hey Jules, There is another new 10 mm auto barrrel besides Mike Bellm's. It's listed on eBay with a fairly reasonable "Buy it Now". Maybe you could get two of them rechambered?! [Big Grin]

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So would I. I wonder if the tipster is man enough to own up to his little games? Why stay in the shadows come on out,after all you must of had A Really good reason for doing what you did! Oh that's right if you did that you couldn't be anonymous any more.
Rich Jake

I bet JD.......LURKS here with others from the pond....funny how some people defend and mimic others to the point it will make people sick. I had noticed that over at the pond...Wannabes would defend and agree with GB...just to be like him!!!..Weird how that is happening with JD.

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This is getting disgusting! Some of you people need to step back and take a look at yourselves and what you are saying!!!

This discussion isn't about whether JD Jones has the right to a proprietary cartridge......that is beside the point entirely! JD owns the dies and can sell them as he wishes.....

Now, many of you are acting like a mob, ready to crucify somebody because you disagree with the way he does business!

The way I see it.......and I'm certain many will disagree, this whole subject would have been non-existent if Jules had simply sent in an order with a check and kept his mouth shut about what he was planning to do with the dies! I'd be willing to bet that, before all this happened, any of us could have printed an order form off the SSK website, listed the set of dies we wanted, wrote a check, mailed it to SSK and received the dies with no questions asked!

But we know that's not what happened and now many of you are foolishly angry with JD when you don't even have a dog in this fight.......and others, with a history of animosity towards JD, are trying to incite the mob........and it's all stupid!

A fair judge would ask the following questions........

Jules:

Was there ever really a used 40-44 barrel?

or

Did you "invent" one so that JD would sell you the dies???

If you deceived JD (regardless of the "reason") then you are, by definition, a liar...period, end of story!

Trying to justify deceitful actions with excuses about how unfair it is for JD to practice business as he does is simply childish and ridiculous.....if you don't like his business practices....don't do business with the man, but don't use that as an excuse for lying!

There was a time, not so long ago, when a man's word was everything........have we cheapened ourselves so much that we trade character and honor for pennies? Is it worth lying so you can get a set of dies??? Does a man's word mean nothing anymore??? Does the truth really depend on what our definition of "is" is????? Remember, a whore isn't defined by how much she charges, neither is a liar defined by how big the lie is!

If this post offends some of you, good, you probably needed to be offended.........

I use to think most gunowners were a cut above......after reading some of these posts I wonder if I have been very naive......

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Amen GonHuntin,

Jules, you crapped in your mess kit buy telling the whole world on this forum what you were planning to do with the dies.

Surprise, this party line has millions of viewers.

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I don't have a problem with JD. I would like to know what was his reasons for the way he handled his business(as a customer of his from the past & maybe one in the future). It seems that He was able to find this spot when he had a problem he wanted to check it out & confirm his accusations. I still don't think that a customer should have to qualify his reasons for making a purchase. I also noticed that there were a few people out there saying that it wasn't fair to JD since he didn't get a chance to respond. Firstly I don't think it's a true statement. He knows exactly where we are & I'm Inviting him to make his actions known, first hand. Not through a third person. The last point that I'm going to make is this I do have a problem with the guy who wants to hide like a coward in the back ground Immune from the B.S. That they started. This is the last time that I will respond to this thread, so you can have the last word if you like.
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I think that we can just agree to disagree on this one.

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This is getting disgusting! Some of you people need to step back and take a look at yourselves and what you are saying!!!

This discussion isn't about whether JD Jones has the right to a proprietary cartridge......that is beside the point entirely! JD owns the dies and can sell them as he wishes.....

Now, many of you are acting like a mob, ready to crucify somebody because you disagree with the way he does business!

The way I see it.......and I'm certain many will disagree, this whole subject would have been non-existent if Jules had simply sent in an order with a check and kept his mouth shut about what he was planning to do with the dies! I'd be willing to bet that, before all this happened, any of us could have printed an order form off the SSK website, listed the set of dies we wanted, wrote a check, mailed it to SSK and received the dies with no questions asked!

But we know that's not what happened and now many of you are foolishly angry with JD when you don't even have a dog in this fight.......and others, with a history of animosity towards JD, are trying to incite the mob........and it's all stupid!

A fair judge would ask the following questions........

Jules:

Was there ever really a used 40-44 barrel?

or

Did you "invent" one so that JD would sell you the dies???

If you deceived JD (regardless of the "reason") then you are, by definition, a liar...period, end of story!

Trying to justify deceitful actions with excuses about how unfair it is for JD to practice business as he does is simply childish and ridiculous.....if you don't like his business practices....don't do business with the man, but don't use that as an excuse for lying!

There was a time, not so long ago, when a man's word was everything........have we cheapened ourselves so much that we trade character and honor for pennies? Is it worth lying so you can get a set of dies??? Does a man's word mean nothing anymore??? Does the truth really depend on what our definition of "is" is????? Remember, a whore isn't defined by how much she charges, neither is a liar defined by how big the lie is!

If this post offends some of you, good, you probably needed to be offended.........

I use to think most gunowners were a cut above......after reading some of these posts I wonder if I have been very naive......

Like I said before. I never posted this to put down Jones. I posted this to let everyone know that we was being watched. AND YOU NEED TO GET THE HELL OFF MY CASE JUNIOR!!!!!! [Mad]

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Amen GonHuntin,

Jules, you crapped in your mess kit buy telling the whole world on this forum what you were planning to do with the dies.

Surprise, this party line has millions of viewers.

Ya'll are the ones that's making a big deal of it.

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Originally posted by wildcat51:
Amen GonHuntin,

Jules, you crapped in your mess kit buy telling the whole world on this forum what you were planning to do with the dies.

Surprise, this party line has millions of viewers.

Wildcat?? or what ever planet you are from....so you are saying if you buy a Remington 700 rifle..you cannot shoot winchester ammo in it?? I you own a thompson contender...you MUST use the duo ring scope moount....Not the Weaver or leupold?? Get real Jules should be able to buy Brand "X" dies and use them in his Brand "V" barrel......... But my guess is you are on JD's prostaff...overpriced for what they are.....STOLEN GOODS

Fireball [Big Grin]

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One thing aboout ALL this is for SURE..the only loser here is JD!! The customer has many places to buy his TC stuff...Including the SO CALLED Stolen JD rounds....been able to for years!
so the only thing to come out of this??? the bad mouth causing atleast a few to NO LONGER do bussiness with SSK...that would be the only loss.
The GOLDEN rule in Bussiness...Argue if you want...But most sucessfull businessman will tell you the CUSTOMER is KING...treat him with a smile
Take his Money with a Smile..and NEVER bad mouth or redicule another product...you sell your product of its OWN merits...like Bellm does...never..NEVER refuse a sale.... we the customer are losing nothing but a temper or two..and a few minutes of unproductive time...JD he has lost business....how ever slight it may seem....all he had to do was get on this forum and explain.
fireball [Razz]

GonHuntin

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Originally posted by Rich Jake:
GonHuntin
I don't have a problem with JD. I would like to know what was his reasons for the way he handled his business(as a customer of his from the past & maybe one in the future). It seems that He was able to find this spot when he had a problem he wanted to check it out & confirm his accusations. I still don't think that a customer should have to qualify his reasons for making a purchase. I also noticed that there were a few people out there saying that it wasn't fair to JD since he didn't get a chance to respond. Firstly I don't think it's a true statement. He knows exactly where we are & I'm Inviting him to make his actions known, first hand. Not through a third person. The last point that I'm going to make is this I do have a problem with the guy who wants to hide like a coward in the back ground Immune from the B.S. That they started. This is the last time that I will respond to this thread, so you can have the last word if you like.
Rich Jake
I think that we can just agree to disagree on this one.

Rich

I don't have a problem with JD either, nor am I president of his fan club as some probably think..
.......I don't care either way......

I believe JD should be able to run his business any way he sees fit, it is, after all, his business and he doesn't owe us an explanation!

I also don't think someone who buys JD's product should be grilled on how they will use it..... however, if JD wants to make that a condition of purchase and someone doesn't like it....then they simply shouldn't do business with him........but none of that excuses being dishonest and deceitful!

I'm also not a fan of informants, rats, narcs or whatever you want to call them.......pretty low if you ask me......

So, I doubt that there is much disagreement between us.......

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