The term Defense is too limiting.

Looking to update my semi-auto shotgun equipment. Owned an M1 Super 90 for years and looking for something equivalent or better. 12GA or possibly 10GA. What's out there now?

Interesting but not semi-auto.

I'm not particular but the Winchester Super X model 3 may be worth a look..

Jim

Old Browning A5. Still the gold standard.

Rich

If you like semi-auto's take a look at the new Benelli's.

Anyone have one of these?

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/produ...d=FNG002&mid=FNM0202

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Anyone have one of these?

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/produ...d=FNG002&mid=FNM0202

Shorten the barrel by a few inches and sweeeeeeeet!

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Anyone have one of these?

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/produ...d=FNG002&mid=FNM0202

Shorten the barrel by a few inches and sweeeeeeeet!

Then you'd have to shorten the mag tube. Needs the buttstock from the Tac model & dump the blue finish.

Will it work for ruffed grouse? Don't want to show up with the "wrong" gun.
Peter.

If you want a true "offensive" shotgun, get a Saiga 12 ga. and send it to Robert Wright at R&R Racing. They are pretty reliable after his work and loading 20 round box magazines of 12 Ga ammo is pretty offensive.

It would probably not be allowed in some of the more "defensive" minded gun sports, but if you want to blast pigeons out of a silo, its waaay fun.

Nothing over 10 round detach mags legal in Kaliforniastan.

My condolences...

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Originally posted by crbutler:
My condolences...

Appreciate the thought. When gorebal warming heats up those Minnesota winters, I might escape this Bolshevik quagmire.

I have a Benelli M4. It replaced an M1 super 90. Has several upgrades and is, of course, up to Benelli standards. Would be a great choice. They are a little pricey, however.

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Originally posted by sam308:
I have a Benelli M4. It replaced an M1 super 90. Has several upgrades and is, of course, up to Benelli standards. Would be a great choice. They are a little pricey, however.

Been trying to get on the Benelli website for a few days. Lookslike it might have been hacked or something. No go. I'd buy another Benelli, the M1 was flawless.

Macifej, the latest CDNN catalog shows the FN SLP ( not the competition version). You have to call for the price. I will try to do that tomorrow.
Seems like it might be a good gun if the price is right!
They also have a HUGLU in a more conventional semi auto look, but with a 20" barrel.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Macifej, the latest CDNN catalog shows the FN SLP ( not the competition version). You have to call for the price. I will try to do that tomorrow.
Seems like it might be a good gun if the price is right!
They also have a HUGLU in a more conventional semi auto look, but with a 20" barrel.
Peter.

Peter

There are a bunch of em on Gunbroker around $900 or so. Really more interested in the compettion model if you run accross one. Thanks for looking out.

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Old Browning A5. Still the gold standard.

The Britosh Army in the Malaya Emergency and the South African Police can't be wrong...but ther are maybe better choices now?

Here in UK about thirty years ago a lot of the ammunition for these was sold off. The cartridges were paper but with an ALUMINIUM outer skin.

And from memory "Special SG" buckshot. Which is just below one aught buckshot in size. Eleven 7.6mm shot to the one ounce.

Hmmm, way to rich for my blood! I was looking for a nice toy. Of course it did not even occur to me look at GB.
Peter.

Take a look at a Mosssberg 930 SPX.... about $550 to $600.

Look at it before you buy. Go to Shotgun World and read review by M21shooter.

Benelli M-4. If it's good enough for the USMC, it's good enough for me.

Benelli Super Black Eagle, with extended tube and a light mounted. #4 3.5 inch turkey loads -great for turkeys.

Benelli M4

I did my own. Just get a good quality Rem 1100 and add all the goodies you want. I used it for IPSC 3-gun competition years ago. Had it backbored, ported and added the extension tube. Very accurate with slugs. I don't mind that it is 2-3/4" only. No biggie. Replacement parts are readily available unlike some of the others, although I have never needed any.

I really like the Benellis! Hard to beat.

Is perhaps better to get a really good pump gun than an "iffy" auto. With limited finances the Mossberg 590 20" 8 shot pump gun is hard to beat.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If you want a true "offensive" shotgun, get a Saiga 12 ga.

+1

The greatest limitation to using a shotgun as a serious modern day offensive weapon is the time it takes to reload the tubular magazine. The Saiga uses box magazines. Magazines available are 2 round, 5 round, 8 round, 10 round, 12 round, and a 20 round drum. There is even a "California legal" 10 round drum available.

Macifej I ran an M1Super90 for years and loved every minute.

Then one day I was watching http://www.patrickflanigan.com/
on an episode of Impossible Shots and he had dumped his Winchester for a new Mossberg 930SPX.

So I sold my Benelli and ordered a Mossberg
930SPX

AWESOME!

Saga 12 with 20 Rd drum full of buckshot? It backs up the loaded 870s I have laying around the house.

Benelli M2 Tactical or M4.

Lefteris
www.europeancartridgeunlimited.com

My uncle has the Benelli M2, which has never failed in our beaver hunting adventures, and i like the feel of the gun, it balances and points well. #4 buck is what he runs in it and it is mighty good medicine for those rodents.

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Originally posted by larrys:
I did my own. Just get a good quality Rem 1100 and add all the goodies you want. I used it for IPSC 3-gun competition years ago. Had it backbored, ported and added the extension tube. Very accurate with slugs. I don't mind that it is 2-3/4" only. No biggie. Replacement parts are readily available unlike some of the others, although I have never needed any.

Larry,
Have you ever had any jamming issues?
I guess having it backbored took care of that?

We would let you emigrate here my friend...

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Originally posted by COOL:
Macifej I ran an M1Super90 for years and loved every minute.

Then one day I was watching http://www.patrickflanigan.com/
on an episode of Impossible Shots and he had dumped his Winchester for a new Mossberg 930SPX.

So I sold my Benelli and ordered a Mossberg
930SPX

AWESOME!

I want --- what is the going price??
G

Benelli M2 3-Gun
http://www.benelliusa.com/shot...p-m2-3-gun-model.php

For most people and most situations, any shotgun will do. However, if you are going to shoot a lot and run it under less than ideal conditions, the Benelli autos are the only ones I have ever seen that are reliable. My next choice would be a Rem 870.

Hunters Hut Custom Saiga 12 Street Sweeper. Comes with Pro Mag 20 round Drum Magazine and all accesories.

The pic on my website is the older one. The new onew one has all Dark Earth accesories. With a new custom muzzle break.

Each Pro Mag Drum is hand fitted for specific shotgun and serial number. All original parts are included.

The badest 12 Ga Semi in the market place.

Check it out www.huntershut1.com

PAH... the Head Hunter..

Don't own one, BUT,.. My buddy picked up a "Akdal MKA 1919 " last month. He let me play with it " KOOOL " ..
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blo...raac-akdal-mka-1919/

No jams or problems shooting it

Here's a custom job !

http://www.firebirdprecision.c...icle&id=30&Itemid=39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atMEE_HDQnA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzh1HxRxp80

PAPI

I managed to squeak thru another 3-gun season with my decrepit (like me) old A5 with zero issues. About five cases of my reloads, slugs and buckshot between practice and matches.

Benelli has been the standard for over twenty years. I have an M1 super 90 and it never let me down. Any of their models would make an exceptional tool. Just get professional training and practice.
Any exhibition shooter can make any shotgun dance it doesn't mean it is the best. It is the man or woman behind the gun that makes the biggest difference. You can't buy skill.
There are a lot of good quality shotguns out there. Get what you like. If you can afford it and your life depends on it have it tweaked by a quality "Shotgun" gunsmith. Stay safe.