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What do Canadians carry for self-defense in Canada that is legal? Or is self-defense even legal in Canada? I know most handguns are illegal but what about shotguns, etc.???? "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | ||
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Though legal on the books, self defense with either a firearm or knife is basically treated as if illegal in most jurisdictions....whether you're assaulted by a human, a grizzly, or whatever. Many Chief Law Enforcement Officers seem to adhere to the view that if you could have run away or otherwise escaped without defending yourself, that is your obligation. Kind of like defending yourself with an unregistered handgun on a subway car in New York City. In some rural areas, particularly in the West, you may escape prosecution, but its almost certain you will be given a very long and very hard time even if not arrested. For defense against bears when I was living in Alberta, the politically correct thing was deemed to be a 12 gauge Remington 870 or 1100 cut off just behind the pistol grip and just ahead of the magazine tube...yielding a gun just a bit over the minimum legal length of 26" overall, and loaded with either SSG, or any other shot size down to #4-0ught. And you were basically free to shoot after the first couple of chomps were taken out of you by the bear. But I sure wouldn't want to use it on a human being regardless what was going on unless half the members of my family were Queen's Counsel rank defense attourneys. I suppose if the assailant had already killed your wife and half your kids before you fired at or cut him/her, you might be legally okay, but I wouldn't count on it. On the other hand, because of that "mandatory peace" culture where conciliatory behavior is taught to everyone from the day they are born, there is nothing like the amount of violent crime in Canada that there is here in the 'States. Not even a vaguely similar amount. Everyone has to decide for themselves whether the tradeoffs balance. Me, I'm living here in the 'States now and am satisfied with that. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Canuck, I believe that this is also the view of most jurisdictions in the USA. I am not sure what you mean by "escaped without defending yourself". If you mean escaping without being judge, jury and executioner then that is correct. Unless you are in your "castle", most jurisdictions require you to retreat if that is an option. I suspect that that might also be the view of most (sane) people. In Florida we are no longer required to retreat. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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By escaping without defending yourself, I mean without taking ANY overt actions of a physical nature against the perp or perps. And in Canada, there is no such thing as the "Castle" doctrine. If you are in your home, you are pretty much expected to flee, if necessary, both to protect yourself and the assailant. That's one of the reasons I live in a "must issue" state in the U.S., and am about to move back to Arizona where I was born. In AZ you don't need a carry permit to carry concealed or openly. In defending yourself or others from grievous bodily harm you are more than to welcome to shoot the SOBs if necessary as a reasonable man's resort. And I know a hell of a lot of very deep abandoned desert mine shaft locations there, too. Anyway, having to roll over and pretend orgasm when being raped is one of the reasons I will not live in many U.S. states. As a Native American my people may be conquered and our lands taken, but I sure as hell haven't given up my right of self defense and never will. That's true whether the government and/or the politically correct like it or don't. | |||
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I never really had any desire to go to Canada especially after they (the Canadian govt.) took in all of the draft dodgers during the Vietnam war. I still view that as a poke in the eye of the U.S. Even as far as hunting, I don't see anything that can't be found somewhere in the U.S. 50 that wouldn't be just as good. After reading A-C's post it has reassured my thoughts. Thank you for your reply A-C and "thumbs up" on your move to the great state of Arizona. "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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Great posts Alberta Canuck. Fantasy Liberal ideology purity trumps personal safety (The ultimate civil right) and it is a creeping death that is spreading here. In Cali this BS is alive and well and needs more forceful legal challenges. Unless these stupid laws are challenged they stand and not many groups are manning up to fight these unconstitutional laws. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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A big Canadian?  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Comment from the CBC tonight, on the violence at the G20. "Some people are asking, what the police did to provoke the protestors. "  Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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I think we're going to find that McDonald v. Chicago changes all this significantly. | |||
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interestingly enough, the UN states, of all their human rights, that there is NO right to self defense ... my friend in canada love coming to texas .. they can hunt with handguns here! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Partially correct; In AZ, although you do not need a permit for Open Carry, you need a CCW for Concealed Carry. It is rather easy to obtain, just a week end class, fingerprinting and a background check. However in case you end up in an altercation in which fire arms are involved (fired/brandished or not) there is a high possibility of getting that fire arm confiscated. The chance of getting it back is 50/50 even if you are found not guilty. In 1998 it happened to me, I ended up having to relinquish my Hk carry side arm in an event that did not involve shooting or the display of the fire arm. I have written off that Hk until I got a letter from Phoenix PD in 2009 informing me that they were going to destroy the HK if I wasn't going to claim it within the next 30 days. During the few years after the incident I have made countless enquiries about the whereabouts of my pistol and the best answer I received was that it was at ballistics lab and that they were doing a national check on it. Needless to say, I went and picked it up the day after I got the letter. Luckily it was in the same exact shape they taken it from me, including the ammo. As a part of their "Here Is Your Gun Back, Sorry For The 10 Year Delay" package, they gave me a lock too. Cheers | |||
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Not according to the national press AND the NRA. Acording to them, the AZ legislature recently passed, and your governor signed into law, a new statute allowing all Arizonans to carry concealed without requiring a CCW, and specifically eliminating any need to pass a State-ordained safety course. Not that it matters. Born and raised there, I carried all my life (until we moved away in 1991 and I had to get a permit in our new state). The police and darned near everyone else knew it. Not a soul ever even mentioned it. Of course, I didn't live or hang out in south Phoenix, either... At various times my concealed carry gun for the vehicle was a full-auto MP-5, a full-auto Mini-14 folder (AC-556KF), or something similar such as an UZI. The police actually preferred and asked that I keep those hidden from view. | |||
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Again partially correct. Governor Brewer signed the Constitutional Carry bill (SB 1108) into law on April 16, 2010. The law will become effective 90 days after this session adjourns (Sine Die). In reality the law begins effect at midnight of the 90th day, or the beginning of the 91st day. So considering the actual Sine Die it would be safe to say that SB 1108 becomes effective on July 29, 2010. So, Alberta Canuck, when are you moving back to AZ ? Based on your hardware list and carry habits I would love to have you as a neighbor, hell I'll even find you a nice house to buy not far from mine.  Cheers M. | |||
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Thanks for the offer.I just might take you up on it when I get there. The movers are tentatively scheduled to pick up our goods the last week of July, depending on whether the sale of our property here closes on July 8 as currently scheduled. BTW, I assume PV (your location) stands for Paradise Valley? If so, you likely live very close to one of my old homes...it was at 7421 E. Berridge Lane...a nice little walled 2-acre place pocketed away at the end of a cul-de-sac more or less behind and a hair south of the Scottsdale Hilton. We haven't decided yet quite exactly where we want to move to. As we both are retired and want less square footage to care for than we currently have, we may be moving north and closer to Carefree, or farther east in the Valley. But it will have to have easy access to the Scottsdale Mayo... My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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It is indeed Paradise Valley. I recommend Cave Creek or North Scottsdale maybe even Fountain Hills. Considering the current state of the economy and the real estate prices I'm sure you can find a lot of potential properties. Sorry for the Topic Hijack guys, now returning to the original topic. I think Canadians are limited to carry Hockey Sticks for close quarters, Hockey Pucks for longer distance and Colourful Language for less-than-lethal. Cheers M. | |||
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For the original poster. "Very Very Very skinny, light weight Mounties"  | |||
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Back to the origional question...what do Canadians carry? I have a nice oak stick in the truck. It's hard to describe to you or to help you understand how we Canadians are "wired" but honestly we don't feel the need to carry for personal defense. I have guns around the house but I still don't even feel the need for those. | |||
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They don't carry anything. The Canadian government believes that they have so built a Happy Place for Canadians that no one is ever going to be mean, rude, cut you off in traffic or use bad language toward another Canadian. The Canadian government prefers its citizens unarmed and dead after a violent attack-- assuming one ever, ever occurs-- to having the law-abiding armed, alive and the perp dead. I don't get the rationale but then, the rationale is generated by liberals. I guess that means there is no intelligent rationale present-- just emotion. | |||
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The issue with not having a right to defend yourself is that it is not needed under peaceful conditions such that currently exist in Canada. I personally like the idea of not needing to think about it but the thought of letting a grizzly gnaw on my ankle before I put a slug in his head is a bit of a stretch for me. If true than your Govt. is showing a genuine lack of concern for its citizens by imparting more rights to the Grizzly. I understand that we may be treading upon his territory but I am still the king of beasts, so to speak, and should have the right to go anywhere I want, whenever I want. My wife is Canadian and she has adopted a fondness for firearms to a point that she keeps one on the nightstand when I'm away on business. Does that make us criminals. I hope that Canada wins there battle with registration and I am sure the NRA is helping, at least should be. I commend Canada for many of its forward liberal thinking but as with most liberals they don't know when to quit. Captain Finlander | |||
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In the third post of this thread Alberta Canuck wrote "there is nothing like the amount of violent crime in Canada that there is here in the States. Not even a vaguely similar amount." Correct, but not in the way most people think. According to a recent U.N. report the rate of violent crime in the U.S. is 466 incidents per 100,000 population annually. In Canada the rate is 935 per 100,000 annually. So according to the U.N. (hardly a friend of gun ownership, or a defender of the U.S.) Canada has double the rate of violent crime compared to the U.S. | |||
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In the microseconds before the brutal attack, they whip out a small card with a government-approved "Please don't kill me" message on it. The message has been demographically tested not to racially offend and thereby further enrage the killer, so as to limit the amount of physical damage he does to your corpse after he kills you. You are supposed to try and get this message out of your mouth before he shoots you many times. Police reports indicate the "card method" ain't workin' too well in reducing the number of murders in the country. | |||
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The governments assurrance that it is better to behave in a politicaly correct manner and let someone with a weapon that is NOT a gun, attack whom they please, to preserve their religious freedoms. And, the knowledge that if you overstep the boundaries of good taste, and defend yourself, you will quite probably be tried as a vigilante.. Bear country, you wear steel toed boots, carry a small hammer. The buddy system is still used. | |||
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We play a lot of Baseball. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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In Idaho, we just get the sheriff to sign off, and carry what we please. Rich | |||
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Hmm. I think we have the same card here in Britain too! Always angers me when an innocent victim gets killed in a mugging and THE POLICE describe it as "a robbery that went wrong..." I always shout at the television or radio! "Well, MR POLICEMAN, what's "a robbery that went right"? One where the victim doesn't resist, loses all their property, and the mugger gets away?" | |||
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With the possible exception of Kalifornia, I don't believe this is true. Force may be met with equal force w/o a problem. Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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I have a friend/fellow Gunsite grad/past Gunsite instructor who live in Chino Valley. He tells me that Arizona (along w/ a couple more western states) are now Right-to-Carry. This means that if you are legally allowed to own a firearm, you may also carry it just about anywhere in whatever manner you choose. All states should be like that. Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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