Apparently this pic is of some buff destined to be "trophys" up in the NT somewhere. Now I have heard (all hersay mind you) of a well known guide that used to truck in big bulls, keep them in the truck without water for a few days then release them near a waterhole. Then he and the unsuspecting hunter would find it. What are your thoughts? Have you heard of this happening. Do we need to do this at all?

Not really a surprise. It'd be interesting to know more about who and where.

Do we need it..? Well no. But there would be enough who want it I'd guess.

Don't know where Bondy. I got the pic off the shooting pages of our internal email network. All the post said was "a few trophies destined for game ranches

location. somewhere in the N.T"

Must be on a Station hunt. Just got back from hunting around Numblwar, and never saw any fence in 100 miles x 30 miles, and may have been much bigger than that.

I understand that this happens near Darwin! The name of the place skips me now. Hunting worldwide seems to be rife with scoundrels from PHs to well known booking agents on this very site!

Can you get that at the supermarket ?

Well I can tell you...These are wild-captured buffalo at Bulman yards, south Arnhem Land - most would end-up at one of the several ranch hunt deals that operate in the NT.

Canned hunt ??? depends on your definition I suppose??

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Canned hunt ??? depends on your definition I suppose??

Yep true mate. If you muster wild buff from one place and stock them in another is it canned? Thats a tough one. I think I would like my buff growing up in the hunting area. Knowing every hill and creek bed etc. If you let them settle for a few years then I would be inclined to think it would be OK. If you let them loose in the vacinity of a waterhole and shoot them the next day then thats crossed the line I think.

Would you as a 'ranch operative' spend big bucks on buying and or transporting buffalo from one area to your own without some sort of "enclosure" to keep them under your own scrutiny for prospective customers.
It has the hallmarks of canned to many one imagines.

Its probably very much like whats involved in the bidding war for the big game animals in South Africa..x amount of head of game at the public auction for ranch hunting customers.

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Would you as a 'ranch operative' spend big bucks on buying and or transporting buffalo from one area to your own without some sort of "enclosure" to keep them under your own scrutiny for prospective customers.
It has the hallmarks of canned to many one imagines.

Its probably very much like whats involved in the bidding war for the big game animals in South Africa..x amount of head of game at the public auction for ranch hunting customers.

Yeah I dont disagree Gryph but the word 'canned' is used sometimes for everything from really canned hunts to very open-range but high fenced hunts that are far removed from the actual canned version ...there are big differences.

Would I buy animals like that and not have some protection for them.... probably not... but I wouldnt buy them like that full-stop!!

There is probably also a lot of difference to these buff and the SA game auctions. I mean these are wild buff from a completely unfenced area, captured by bull-catchers.

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I`m not so sure about that Matty as those buff look pretty relaxed chewing the cud in that pen even with a cameraman there but in saying that those Asiatic buff do quieten down far more readily than the C/buff`s.
After watching a doco on Cape Buff in captivity and the owner getting pasted by one of the cow buff they did say that they cannot ever be trusted (CB) whereas the (presumably most of) Asiatics will tame down.

Its a shame what some operators do to get an animal for a client and it doesn't only apply to buff.

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I`m not so sure about that Matty as those buff look pretty relaxed chewing the cud in that pen even with a cameraman there but in saying that those Asiatic buff do quieten down far more readily than the C/buff`s.
After watching a doco on Cape Buff in captivity and the owner getting pasted by one of the cow buff they did say that they cannot ever be trusted (CB) whereas the (presumably most of) Asiatics will tame down.

Its a shame what some operators do to get an animal for a client and it doesn't only apply to buff.

Think you will find that all bovines 'tame down' quite readily, including cape buffalo by all accounts. Can any of them ever be trusted?? NO , including your pet shorthorn bull!! In the NT the domestic cattle are just as 'wild' a lot of times as buffalo and banteng..

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In the NT the domestic cattle are just as 'wild' a lot of times as buffalo and banteng..

I'll say. I found out I could clear the top rail of a mates yards without touching it when a bloody brahman cow came at me

A little bit of research online tells us this below,different beasts of another kind they are and one of the reasons they are top five animals.

Cape buffalo do not do that well in captivity, and remain unpredictable and dangerous

How many 40 inchers do you want??

exactly,noted the fella isnt on foot in there with a leather flogger or a length of poly too.

Also most of them are young animals with hardly a defined boss and no brooming of the horns. The horns are so thick from the hook out wards. True wild bulls will be broomed from boss outwards & a lot thinner.

We have farmed bison, wisent, guar, water buffalo, cape buffalo, and yak in North America available for hunting.

I guess everyone else does too.

Hey D99 how are you finding Canberra?

Bakes - I think they have Canberra on most maps of Australia these days so he shouldnt have any trouble finding the place - besides he could always follow the smell of politicians with their snouts in the public trough - that shouldnt be too hard to follow ...

I am still in Bureurocrat school, I'll be there the 20th of November.

Still very excited about the next 3 years. Damn lucky I got this job. Everyone else in my class is going to Chad, Sudan, or someplace really scenic like Columbia.

Very good Muzza.

"Everyone else in my class is going to Chad, Sudan, or someplace really scenic like Columbia"

LOL lucky fella But six months in Canberra fighting the ACT drivers and you'll wish you were in Sudan!

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or someplace really scenic like Columbia"

The scenery is incredible..they have lots of coke there.

Yes, but it's the "new Coke", and people don't like it as much. The women are hot though.

How long will you be in Canberra for D99

3 or 4 years.

Long enough to breed 2 or 3 anchor babies in case we want to live there after I retire from the Navy.

Ok you might want to come on down a bit further to hunt a deer or two next year.

Thanks Gryph,

I will take you up on that.

Matt,
With soo many buffalo on a concession such as your Gan Gan, why would a hunter want to take a ranch buff located in NT? Is it just the comfort of a nice farm facility, or your unique outdoor cooking that sends them there?

Apparently, canned hunts have their place for a sufficient number of "hunters".

Geoff

Saw a couple of nice buff bulls in cattle yards on an NT station a few weeks back. Had been there about a week . Heard on the grapevine that some mates of the owner came up from a Southern state and popped them for "trophies" . Lots of rumours about and I hope that one isn't true but I get the feeling they weren't headed for pet meat and doubt that they made it back to the bush alive.

Not buff but canned just the same.

I once went pheasant shooting on a game farm in central Victoria. The operator claimed to have released a bunch the night before but the only time we saw any was when his offsider turned up in a truck with cages on it, supposedly to take birds already shot away to cool storage. Somehow, they were always in a piece of scrub just near this dude and always happened to fly towards us.

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Matt,
With soo many buffalo on a concession such as your Gan Gan, why would a hunter want to take a ranch buff located in NT? Is it just the comfort of a nice farm facility, or your unique outdoor cooking that sends them there?

Apparently, canned hunts have their place for a sufficient number of "hunters".

Geoff

Lots of reasons mate - hunting outside the regular 'dry season' (some are easier to access and closer to Darwin), personal accessibility reasons, extra comfort for hunter/observers, proximity to Darwin, time constraints, desirous to hunt extra species in one locale, etc..

We book a few of these hunts every season for different reasons but mostly the seasonal thing and length of time available. They are still great fun hunts thats for sure but anyone wanting to experience the real deal will be better-off doing a wilderness hunt - that's for sure!

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Saw a couple of nice buff bulls in cattle yards on an NT station a few weeks back. Had been there about a week . Heard on the grapevine that some mates of the owner came up from a Southern state and popped them for "trophies" . Lots of rumours about and I hope that one isn't true but I get the feeling they weren't headed for pet meat and doubt that they made it back to the bush alive.

They were shot in the yards and dragged out for a trophy photo... what a complete joke.... be interesting to see if the 'story' turns up in a hunting magazine mate!!!!

For the cattle-station owners it is a love/hate relationship with the buffalo...