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Have it your way. Go fuck yourself, and you can join the rest of the sheep your country is so famous for for all I care. NOTHING that happens in your country has any bearing on the US so you can blow that out your ass. | |||
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Is that all you got to say? Really? Then why are you even on the NZ forum? You are a typical Right wing bully who tries to poke his nose in other peoples' business instead of minding his own. Who is paying you - NRA or Putin?
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I had a golden shower last night....twins too,soooo much gold,so much warmth,so much dirt washed out. I am so sick of divisions in the firearm community. I divorced myself again from the internet shit by filming some sambar again this morning. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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LOL! Lucky bugger.
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Boys - we all need to sit down , have a cup of your favourite tea , and stop going out of your way to wind everyone up. I know its a stressfull time , and its easy to type shit that you should keep in your head - but please - desist. You really arent helping anybody by baiting all those who have a differing opinion. We will work through this in time , no need to alienate the rest of the world. And no - people from overseas do not understand . Accept that and let it go. Its a shit place we are in and we dont know whats coming . Biting people on internet forums wont fix that . ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Yep, but these guys are not helping and overall the input from Americans that is making its way into NZ public conscience is more likely hardening the opposition to sensible results and will be used against us, because the culture of the way we talk on these subjects is far different and what is acceptable language in America is not acceptable here. I also take exception to anyone, kiwi or foreign, who derides another kiwi for the personnel opinion they hold as a firearms owner on this subject. We all have a tough time coming and its over to each of us how we deal with and rationalise the changes we will be forced to make. Likewise Naki, your statements are inflammatory and have no relevance to the topic at hand.But on that topic, Most of us realise the similarities rather that the differences in the colonialist pasts of our respective nations, and the reasons for those differences. Back on subject. We dont have a law prohibiting firearms for self defence. Just a law that says self defence must be proportionate to the threat you or another person faces. you can not give self defence as a legitimate reason to have a firearms licence. just hunting and target shooting. None of that hides the fact that we are facing an attack on the democratic process by way of the speed and lack of consultation involved. Though I think given the almost unanimous support across the political spectrum, it would not matter much to the end result anyway. | |||
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Where did I criticize the USA, I made two references that you obviously take as criticism, Rambo movie? I happen to have watched them all and enjoy them just for the action entertainment factor but they hardly reflect real life and I make the point that trudging round our countryside here in NZ trying to emulate Rambo in dress and weapons as I have actually seen some do is not conducive to responsible firearms ownership and conduct. The other reference was to your Ku Klux Clan organisation where I believe the deranged Aussie, who slaughtered 50 innocent NZ citizens including children in the name of white supremacy, would be more at home in. Surely you don't hold the KKK dear to your heart. If you feel my reference to the KKK and what it stands for was an affront against the USA I don't apologize, I just feel sorry for you but I hope I'm judging you wrong. BTW to be clear and re-reading my post I'm sure I am, my references to assault rifles and MSSA's are all in relation to my country, not yours or anyone else's. What you do in your country doesn't concern me, you live with your laws. | |||
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I was attempting to be supportive until it was flung back in my face. I care about the good people all over the world. If you think more than 0.000001% of the US population supports the KKK you're sadly mistaken. We happen to be in an extremely challenging time in the US with social justice warriors and far-left wing media dominating social consciousness on the surface. Everyone here makes everyone else's problems their own instead of just being a good person and a good citizen. I was moderate my entire life until the last 10 years which has seen me pushed farther right than ever before. That's not to say in any way that I am extremist. I happen to be a surgeon and consider myself to be a good husband, father and citizen. I apologize if I came across as inflammatory and I wish you all the best in sorting this out. I'm also quite envious that your country is not filled with these nuts that claim to be tolerant and caring as long as you agree with them. Remember, conservatives are all about live and let live as long as you're a good citizen, as opposed to the left which is about do as we say not as we do. | |||
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Enjoy your new restrictions. | |||
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Don't be a dick. No reason for your horseshit. | |||
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The only thing this American has to say is I am very sorry to see what my friends(the country as a whole as well) in NZ are going through. I truly hope for the best outcome possible. Best regards, Steve Bertram | |||
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They seem to be supportive of them. When I doesn't fight back all kind of things can happen. http://forums.accuratereloadin...5621043/m/7451039052 | |||
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Really Norton what did you have to say | |||
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Like I said in the other thread. I hate that one evil person has caused so much pain, suffering and strife in your nation. I have been fortunate enough to travel to 15 different countries all over the world. I lived in Germany for 2 years. Two things I have learned. My expectations of what another society is going to be like are usually wrong. The impressions other society's have of the U.S. are always wrong. I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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I guess the bit in Toothy's speech about any semi automatic with a detachable magazine going to Cat E and don't bother applying for one just slipped straight past you? Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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The TV announcement saying .22 and shotguns for duck hunting are not included seems to have slipped past you. Those who are so passionate about semiauto guns are not going to agree. Those who are influenced by "gun rights" are not going to agree. You can either decide to understand the other point of view or you can try to force your own. I am done with this waste of time.
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Naki, open your heart. there is an UN agenda to disarm civilians. https://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/salw/ they have to start somewhere. when they will remove from the hands of legal owners some firearms you dislike they will go after the ones you like. it is just a matter of time. gun control is not about gun is about control. | |||
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I haven't commented thus far, but after reading this all I feel compelled. Truthfully, I and most American members here are very sorry about all this. The massacre was unspeakably evil and all the results or outcomes from that evil will be poor. America may in some ways glorify violence in media, movies, games etc, but individually, these headlines make us all nauseous. I feel very sorry. | |||
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I suggest you open your mind and brain and serious think about facts and logic. Even totalitarian countries like Russia allow ownership of guns. Not easy and not for everyone but it is allowed. Even very controlling societies like Japan allow ownership of guns with severe controls. It takes many years to graduate from shotgun license to rifle license. Bit it is allowed. Restrictive countries like India allow easy and abundant ownership of guns for national level target shooters. The US is an extreme outlier. Rights to own guns is BS. Stand Your ground law is just legalising murder. The day the US brings in sensible gun regulation including blocking the loophole for background check, the American people will find some peace. Your suicide rates will drop. Families will have fewer dead fathers & brothers - common gun suicide are men & teen youth. In NZ it is NOT a political issue. I TOTALLY condemn all those who want to import American political thinking into NZ society. I even disapprove of the importing of Halloween 20 years ago purely for commercial purposes. Let us be NZ. Plenty to be proud of.
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Naki im in Canada .... gun control and logic ... look up in Australia they even lost the right to own pump action shotgun but continue to own handguns under what logic? your country was under a really bad tragedy but the ones dancing on the grave to input more control will never stop it. i wish you the best but one day someone will question why some have elephant gun caliber like the 9.3x62 you own: there is no wild elephant in your country ... | |||
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The 9.3X62 is an ideal caliber for Sambar mate!  My 470NE is very good for head shooting rabbits - most ethical way to kill a rabbit!  Boots on the ground here - there is NO rabid anti-gun or anti-hunting rants here. A few gun lobby types are a tiny voice in this pristine landscape. Wait & see - I think we will all be good in 6 months. I hope I am not wrong.
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No one moaned about American culture in New Zealand when the Japanese were on the war path. People like you Nakihunter are the problem with New Zealand today not America. Trump 2020 MAGA "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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so on some NZ hunting forums the fact that hunting magazines has been removed from display is not anti hunting perception? the fact that some gang members already said they wont surrender their firearms should tell you guys that they are aiming legal gun owners. but who im we already have to deal with the antis in Canada ... | |||
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Only one chain of book shops at this stage. Paper plus "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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You don't like me, then move to Trump land or Putin land!
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Better idea send you to Tsavo, I hear the Lions are hungry "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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Boys - Nakihunter and Top Predator - desist. Stop shitfighting amongst your selves. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion then sit on your typing fingers. This type of infighting is exactly what will derail any chance we have of hauling back some of the measures in the new law. Throwing each other under the bus is not helpfull - Naki , you in particular have been unhelpfull in this discussion and I think you need to go away and take no further part. James - back off as well , biting each other wont make a scrap of differance. Its a testing time for all of us ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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I’m not the one that rolled over on the rest of New Zealand gun owners. When third round of laws changes come MSSA will be least of our worries. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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This is all anyone needs to know about you. Thankfully, other than your chums in the government, you seem to be an outlier in your own country. | |||
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If I was an outlier here in NZ, where are the raving and ranting lunatics screaming about the law change. The only ones making an issue are Gun City, the gun lobby & wannabe Rambos like the other bigot here. I know people with 60 guns who are not into the Rambo BS. Any attempt at "stand your ground" here will land you in jail.
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You are a racist bigot. You want me dead eh? If you have the guts, let me see if you can face me! Rambo wannabes are cowards with no guts.
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Muzza Where have I been unhelpful? I have not called names or made personal attacks. I have a right to my views like anyone else. I am a Kiwi like anyone else. After 27 years I have earned that. This bigoted racist wants me dead or leave my country after 27 years just so he can hold on to his Rambo toys! Let us see some honesty from you mate. What right have you to tell me not to take further part in this "discussion" when there has been racial abuse, bigotry and xenophobis directed towards me? Please check your moral compass mate. Just look at yourself in the mirror.
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You have a right to disagree just like I do. You have no right to abuse, attack personally and insult me with your racist, bigotry. Try that face to face and I will take you to the Human right commissioner. You are a bigoted coward 
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You want me dead eh? FFS Naki where was anything like that mentioned? Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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The proposed laws do not affect me.... yet. Despite that Im feeling very aggrieved and disillusioned with the situation. This is because the proposed laws are punitive against a group of people who have done nothing wrong. They dont address the actual failings in the licence system. A better system that wouldn't cost 300,000,000 and that would go towards fixing the holes that currently allowed this is sitting there waiting if only we were given time to work through the issues. Though hunting is my main focus, Im not self centred enough to put aside the realisation that many NZer just plain enjoy shooting. Calling each other names and dividing us is what the shooter wanted. | |||
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And for my part im sorry at the laungauge I used and the way I expressed myself there. Having spent some time in the states, and more time with American's, I know that mostly we are all similar. While i dislike some of the more extreme commentary and action that has come on this from the states, I also heartily dislike that way our dear leader has been held up as an example to the rest of the world, including by some of you politicians. Im sorry you guys have to deal with her too. | |||
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Try the Tsavo experience suggested for me and stay alive, mate. He is the one who started the personal attacks and wanted me out of my country just because he cannot have his dumb Rambo toy. That coward is a bigoted racist with no place in NZ society.
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Since a few mates of mine are wondering why I am so pissed off by some of the comments I see, let me give you bit of facts. I have been a Kiwi for 27 years. All my 3 kids have grown up here - either born here or grown up here since a few months old. No one has the right to tell me that I should not be here. That is just plain bigotry. After the terrible Christchurch incident, that weekend my 19 year old son was scared and in his flat in Hamilton as there were cops all around. Some here have met him. He was scared to go to the Supermarket. No one should be in such a situation. How many of your kids had that experience? As soon as I saw the TV news I thought that if I had been walking down the road then with my family, we could have been among the victims. I shared this with my family a week later and it just freaked out them all. How many of you had that conversations with your families at the dinner table? All it needed was one hateful bigot to kill 50 people. All it needed was one hateful bigot on ARPF to make this into such a shit fight. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Fear of terrorism as a child yes I know all about it, you may have heard of IRA bombing London? "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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