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To be honest Fred I'm fed up hearing these reintroduction ideas coming, mostly, from the various "conservation" groups. Here in the UK they tend to be driven by the various green nutters who are also the loudest voices complaining about shooting and, indeed, virtually any other interesting or fun mode of conservation. Here in the UK and, specifically, in Scotland they want to reintroduce wolves, bears and some big cats. The greens are over the moon with this idea for the very reason that they are urban based and their only experience of the more remote areas of Scotland is driving through it once a year on holiday. They don't realise that those "empty" moorlands are someone's income and workplace. When faced with these people I often suggest to them that such reintroductions are started off with a 5 year pilot scheme in the parks of central London. Of course they object to this: why it would be dangerous and the environment is unsuitable and the bears might eat their children etc. How is it any different for the people of Scotland? This is a bad case of do what I say, but don't expect me to do it. The moorland isn't a park, it is a workplace, and if the green nutters want to release their latest mad plan upon it then they need to start much closer to home. From the perspective of hunting and shooting there is no way anyone is going to get to shoot a rare and newly introduced species and there is no way the greens would give any consideration to the sporting potential of such reintroductions, they are all at the extreme edges of the anti-shooting campaign. We would be in the situation where a farmer in Scotland wouldn't be allowed to shoot the wolves that were eating his sheep in order to bolster the ego of some urban green nutter living in a city 500 miles away. In my opinion this is just not acceptable. Anyhow, we have enough of these do gooders moving animals around the countryside without adding more potential to their list. Recently there are reports of sightings of fox on the Isle of Lewis and the do gooders also introduced hedgehogs there as well. This may not seem like much of a problem until you realise that there are no trees and most birds are ground nesting. Only my perspective of course and it is possible to see some circumstances where such reintroductions might work but in a densely populated UK I think they are a non-starter. | |||
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Why not go the whole hog and turn the UK into jurrasic park. | |||
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I once sat in on a meeting with the then enviromental minister for the state of victoria here in oz,where brumby finished explaining that the Sambar deer had no natural predators here in oz. She then enquired what were there nat. predators Brumby replies yep big stripey things .She then says well we had better get some and release them here where ever the deer are,1 of her advisers suddenly realized what those big stripey things were started to choke and gag at this point. Yep she was talking about releasing TIGERS into the Australian bush to help control the deer.dosnt matter where you live city folk in general have no sense of reality when it comes to the bush (country side) | |||
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I am still in the student levels of anthropology and palentology, but this guy is an idiot. In Alaska the state wants to reintroduce Woods Bison to a lot of areas that are wood's bison friendly habitat. As well as increasing the numbers of muskox to cover more of the available muskox habitat. This is pretty common sense approach to reintroductions. Adding asiatic lion, hippo, elephant, and the like to mainland Europe is stupid, moronic, and with out a doubt get someone killed. More than likely a lot of people killed. | |||
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We have the same greenine group over here tha thas smuggled wolf from Estonia and Sweden etc. It was a "Project Wolf" that they had some years ago, and now it has started to see rich hunting areas has declined in sold hunting licenses and many hunters dont hunt there with tehre dogs, because that the wolf attacks and killes them . Its reported of many incidents, the greenins used and journalist to infiltrate the "wolf hunters" a couple of years ago and they made an documentary that uproared the greenines. They think all wolf that dies is poached, but dont they know that the male wolves has fight about their territoriums? Sadly at UMb and Evenstad , 2 universities, many greenies are educated , and they have their own agenda, with theri research and such. Its a sad world we are living in. Getting the countryside to be a part for people to watch the nature and letting it be left alone for the animals to live in peace in. Tom Clancy`s book "Rainbow Six " gets truer every day..... | |||
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Agree !! Where the hell would such animals be supposed to stay ? In central Europe, or in the European parts of former USSR ? Or perhaps in the deep woods or mountain areas in Scandinavia ? To even THINK about such a thing says me that the man is out of his wit. Arild Iversen. | |||
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If we're ever able to re-introduce extinct species back into the world, my guess is the first species would be the thylacine. I would love to see that. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Heh heh. "Green Nutters." Good one. Same problem here, clueless urban people. Here in northern Wisconsin we have cougars slowly moving back into the area. This is good, as the jogger population around here is out of control, no natural predators. -Fred
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I hope they re-introduce wild boar to Ireland. The sooner the better. Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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Yea Fred, got a chuckle out of that  and agree, think we need Cougars here in Germany as well to control the explosive jogging population. Sorry to hear it's contagious and affecting Wisconsin already, hmm, Waidmannsheil, Dom.-------- There are those who only reload so they can shoot, and then there are those who only shoot so they can reload. I belong to the first group. Dom --------- | |||
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??? I would estimate that you have some Tazzie Tigers running in your back yard? Or where do you rekon we are going to get them? | |||
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Dont be such an idiot, wild boar and Irish/British Isles farming are non compatable on soooo many counts!!! | |||
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There is bugger all money in farming anyway ( I know, I've tried ) - we may as well have some sport  .Can't be any more destructive to woodland than 10,000 frigging pheasants. Are the ecosystems in the south and west of England collapsing?? Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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Of truly extinct species (not just wiped out in a specific area), we would have to have intact DNA and an improved method of cloning such. The best DNA available from a (probably) extinct species is that of Thylacine embryos preserved in several locations. Of course, most of this thread is about reintroduction of species which have been eliminated in certain areas (not the same as extinct). The linked article jumps from talking about extinct species to talking about REPLACEMENT of extinct ice-age species with similiar modern counterparts. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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I think the greenies should release the African lion in the parks of London. Then they can be fed the Euro greenie. (A cousin to the American weenie and once removed cousin of the American Bunny Hugger.) That is the current term for the long lost and thought to be extinct European Dumb A$$. ( second cousin once removed of the Zebra) We find them all over and it would control their numbers quite readily. We need this to be done in America as well! Probably the first release of lions would be at Beserkley University in Kalifornia.  Packy  | |||
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I've often suggested that the grizzly bear be re-introduced into California. Since the grizzly is so prominently displayed on the state flag, I feel it would be appropriate to have them running around somewhere within the state. After much consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the ideal location for the re-introduction is Griffith Park. http://www.50states.com/flag/caflag.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith_Park This location would guarantee the bears a constant supply of fresh meat, and would thin down the severe overpopulation of bunny-huggers within the Golden State. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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Best damn idea I've heard.  Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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There is also some rubbish spouted. Read the original report and you would think that the Asiatic Lion is plummeting towards extinction with 300 animals in the Gir Forest. In fact this population is increasing and starting to cause problems as they are straying outside the reserve where they are rigorously protected. That is not to suggest that the species is safe and doesn't need protecting - it does. I am for reintroducing indigenous animals where there is a suitable habitat but Asiatic animals should be reintroduced to Asia and not Europe. I've personally benefitted from the re-appearance of boar in the UK as I've been able to shoot a couple but I would not condone reitnroductions without a good deal of research on the proposed location in terms of size, habitat, food supply and impact on other species. | |||
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I don't believe this at all. There is a big reward for those who can show evidence for this. But no one have yet got it. I would prefer to call this a conspiracy theory. Science has showed wolfs can travel much longer than many believers in this theories ever thought. And I have not yet seen someone put this science in doubt. Of course greenies have their own agenda, I have no doubt in that. But I'am sure people on the other side have their own agenda too; to extinct wolfs from Norway. And there has been some pouching of wolfs , people have already been convicted for that. I do not belong to the greenie or antiwolf communities, but prefer to make up my own mind based on evidence and not theories. And to go wolf hunting is for me just as valuable, and perhaps even a bigger challenge than to hunt moose. Game is game......and hunting is hunting...... | |||
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