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Lost my wife to lung cancer. I was 35 and had a five year old at the time. She was a smoker before I met her and always said that I would never change her for me. Wasn't my place to do that. So I'm against it. Personally, I have never smoked cigarettes - not once. I do, however, have a few cigars throughout the year, but you can count them on one hand. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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You're kidding. 90% of smokers have to end up with lung cancer and/or heart disease before there is considered to be a causal relationship? If you started flipping a penny and came up with heads 60% or 70% of the time, assuming a sufficient sample size, wouldn't you think you had a problem? Would you wait for 90% heads to say, "Hey - something is going on here."? Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order...  | |||
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100% smell bad ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I've already stated that.
I'm referring to a linear relationship, not a bell curve with confidence levels, which is not applicable. Where did you learn your statistics? "The appearance of the law most be upheld--especially while it's being broken." Boss Tweed | |||
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Jeez....everything has to be a  Even though STATISTICALLY, a 100% correlation doesn't prove causality, we can use other information and logic processes to CONCLUDE causality. Put a mouse in a sealed container that contains no oxygen. Mouse dies. Repeat. The mouse will die 100% of the time. STATISTICALLY, we could say that there is a 100% correlation between putting a mouse in a sealed container and the mouse's death. While we cannot use that statistic to conclude causality, using LOGIC and other information we glean from biology, we know that the mouse asphyxiated BECAUSE of a lack of oxygen. Causality. Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order... | |||
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We tried cigarettes in High School back in the 50's. I remember that homes had ash trays in them then. When my uncle would come over for a holiday dinner he would smoke in my parents house. I got lucky when that same uncle said to me "I understand your smoking now?" (He must have been told by my parents.) I must have been about 16 then. Of course I lied and said I was not. I was fortunate as it worked. Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says. When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like! Do that with your optics. | |||
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With respect, JLarsson, I was not getting into a with you, and you are not being on. All I'm saying, is that if there is causality, then there should be statistical studies showing linear relationships and correlation coefficients greater than 0.90. I have not seen those studies. Statistics can't prove causality, but if there is causality, then it should be should be reflected statistically. "The appearance of the law most be upheld--especially while it's being broken." Boss Tweed | |||
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Nope - not me, and I understood that. I was referring to the "where did you learn your statistics" comments by you and thirdbite. Whether causality is reflected statistically is going to be in the eye of the interpreter of the statistics, yes? What is the difference in incident rates of lung cancer, emphysema, and heart disease among smokers compared to non-smokers? There IS a difference, right? And it's not in favor of those who smoke, right? And there aren't any other consistent factors present to which we can reasonably attribute the differences, right? I'm sure you know what you're talking about in regard to statistics. I'm not sure that the statistical degree of certainty that is required to convince you of causality is necessarily the minimum degree to convince EVERYONE of causality. Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order... | |||
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At the risk of repeating myself, it is a medically proven fact that 100% of non-smokers die.  Best GWB | |||
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In an earlier post, you mentioned a sample size of 100. I was taught the Rule of 300: Researchers should use samples of 300 or more whenever possible. Comrey and Lee (1992) urged samples of 500 or greater. You've stated that you do not need correlation coefficients greater than 0.90. But a correlation coefficient is then squared to obtain a correlation of determination, which determines how certain one can be making a prediction from a certain graph/model. I was taught that any study with a correlation of determination less than 0.85 was doing nothing more than arm waving. Whatever. The weather is too nice here and I'm going to the range to do some shooting. "The appearance of the law most be upheld--especially while it's being broken." Boss Tweed | |||
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Yeah, all those blaming lung cancer on smoking are statistically ignorant, of course, there are these inconvient facts that don't have to be proven by statisticians.
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talk about off topic. All I have figured out from the last batch of posts; from our stat friends, is two things 1. stats make my head hurt 2. everyone dies | |||
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Ted You forgot one other thing off your list They made everyone around them smell bad too.......  | |||
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Well, we've had to listen to all the bullshit about secondhand smoke. I guess now we have to listen to the whining about secondhand stench. Suggestions to you pure ones: Stay out of smoker's homes; stay out of smoker's cars; don't hang with smokers; last but not least, form little support groups so you can stand around and brag on each other and sniff over each other and talk bad about those nasty old smokers. And hope when you finally die (probably none to soon for some of the folks that have to listen to you), you want to hope that when you meet St Pete, he don't have a non-filtered Camel hanging out of the corner of his mouth.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I always heard that quitting was hard.....  Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order... | |||
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Funny......talk about a tattoo and your on the hater boat Talk about smoking and you get bent out of shape I'm laffin . ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Bull shit about 2nd hand smoke...I don't think so. Asbestos doesn't gives you asbestosis either. Are you still using lead based paints around your house? 150 years ago they were still using mercury to try and cure syphillis. Presumably you like stinking like a rancid ashtray. Hmmmm nice! As for St Peter you obviously like believing in fairy stories, like smoking doesn't kill you so why not believe in heaven and the pearly gates... | |||
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You summed it all up perfectly!! | |||
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Only from the point of view of someone who won't accept the truth even if it kills him.  Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order... | |||
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Right on bro!  | |||
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and y'all care whether someone does or doesn't smoke/pierce/tattoo/drink or whatever. personally i hate people that chew gum,talk incessantly on telephones and have no tact or courtesy. | |||
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Be careful on believing the guvment stats on cancer deaths and smoking. They are pure BS. When my Dad died at 89 years old from lung cancer, the undertaker ask me if he smoked. I said "He smoked until he was 62" He said it didn't matter that he quit smoking 27 years ago, if he had ever smoked in his entire life, then died from lung cancer, the guvment blamed the smoking. No matter that he had been around asbestos, DDT, Parathion, Malathion etc, etc his entire adult life. One more number to add to the stats. Pure BS. | |||
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Sounds like a tatto'd up smoker to me ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Especially if they have a mullet and an overbite Best GWB | |||
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You're not paying attention. I don't smoke. I just have a problem with holier than thou whiners. Like you and Thorn. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Beeman.....I have a tattoo remember? My opponion doesnt count. I keep learning around here that's funny ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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all these stats are making my tattoos hurt!! | |||
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I need a cig..... ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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 Who knew??? Lol! NRA life member, thanks to Steve.  Running on empty... | |||
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no tatoos here. i do got a slight overbite though. and a weird grown out mullett [sp?] nomo 35-10 for me. | |||
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Bless you my son. Opinions, opinions, everyones got them. That's why they are like buses....wait around long enough and one will come along that you want to get on. I'd rather be holier than stink or be covered in ink. | |||
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Damn girl....... tats, cigs and cruised past the 40yo mile post. whats next.............. 185lbs?  | |||
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Lmao!! Jools, you crack me up! But no, I'm not really into the Middleweights. I like my men heavier than that. Machida at 205 lbs, or even better... Mir at 259lbs! Humm-una, Humm-una. They're the ones that get my motor running. Lol! NRA life member, thanks to Steve. Running on empty... | |||
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NV, then I guess the statement, "warmth in the winter and shade in the summer" don't necessarily apply to females of the opposite sex only. As someone said earlier, "good comeback  Best GWB | |||
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So what weight are you running at girl, 135 or 215. I know thats 1 or the 2 questions you should never ask a women. The other being her age, but seeing as we have covered the age one I just thought I'd ask.  Nope lost me .. Michida, Mir ???? Sounds like some kinda Guatemalan gastro infection. A woman your age should be carefully around men, you might throw a hip of something. Those joints aint as supple as they use to be you know.  ATb Jools | |||
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Well, I ain't Twiggy, that's for sure. I'm the perfect weight for me.  And, its funny you should mention it. I just hip threw someone last week. But, he's ok. Barely limping anymore. Lol!  NRA life member, thanks to Steve. Running on empty... | |||
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Wey Hey!!!!!! Sorry Howdy Ma'am. By the way have you seen Twiggy lately?  | |||
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Sub 200 by just a drop....I got rid of the beard Growing it back though Hope this doesn't turn into a share a pic thread   ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Lol!! Or worse.... Jools might start a "share your weight" thread. NRA life member, thanks to Steve. Running on empty... | |||
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