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My dad died of lung cancer when he was 43, ten years younger than the age I am now. He has been gone well over half of my life....that being said I do beleive that it is matter of indivdual choice whether a person smokes or not. I just ask them to be considerate and not do it around me; unfortunatly in my experience the longer they have smoked the less considerate they are about where they light up. | |||
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If you care to look back you'll see I never claimed other wise. I am well aware of the vast divide between cured and reformed I think you'll find the sorriest and the most self-rightous bastards are the ignorant SOB's that you seem modeled upon. I'll leave it there before I say what I truely think. | |||
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Wow!  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Go ahead and say what YOU truly think, no skin off my ass.
Nothing self-righteus about me, nor am I ignorant. I have known people with various addictions and I treat them all the same. If they want to get help and fight the addiction, I support them any way I can. If they don't want help I let them go their merry way. If they don't want to get straightened out, who am I to tell them different? Until a person recognises and admits to THEMSELF, that they have a problem, it is NONE OF MY DAMN BUSINESS, UNLESS what they are doing has a DIRECT EFFECT in some manner on ME! I am also intelligent enough and knowledgable enough to admit that I have met enough individuals from the UK to understand that not all of them are pious-pompous asses like you!!!!!! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I'll decline your offer. I've long learnt not to agrue with an idiot. They alway beat you with experience. The skin on your ass must be pretty thick you talk out of it much. I admit I'd never see a feller talk out his ass and his hat at the same time until you canme along.
Well you would claim that. So that's just another subject we will have to disagree upon.
I have it on good faith that ignorance is bliss. You must be the happiest intelligent, knowledgable dumb ass around. See ya around, and don't for get ya hat on the way out. | |||
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Wasbeeman Your incorrect about Medicare and SS benifits. How do illegal alliens get them if they are earned. I have family member who have collected SS and Medicare and never worked a day in there life, outside of being a housewife. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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There is a world of difference between Medicare and MedicAID. We poor bastards that are on Medicare have to pay a co-pay. The worthless bastards on Medicaid are getting a free ride. They can call it SS but it is really plain old charity. That's what it was called before some touchy-feely ass decided they could get more votes by saying the bums were "entittled" to it. The Dems are just raping the SS funds in order to buy votes. I lived in WV for 10 years. There isn't too much about Medicaid and welfare that I haven't seen abused. And don't forget the folks getting tax returns on money they didn't earn and didn't pay in. I knew folks that had never worked. Able bodied folks. That were living fine. My mother was a home maker and after my dad passed, she drew SS based on his earnings. I don't think that compares to a illegal alien. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Not a single thing you stated in that post proved my opinion was wrong. In fact all it showed was that your bluff was called and like any other Nancy Boy you folded and ran away. The best way a person can demonstrate how totally pathetic they are is by trying to show how wrong another person is, without providing any evidence. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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They're not ??? oh chit... There goes my Sunday afternoon on the patio with a good stiff whiskey and a fine cigar..... Oh well, guess I will make it a good stiff whiskey and a plug of Bull of The Woods or Tinsleys Red Tag. "We Don't Rent Pigs !" | |||
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Like I said "I've long learnt not to agrue with an idiot. They alway beat you with experience." You supply all the evidence and experience needed. Don't forget ya hat. | |||
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learnt? Please Back to the topic at hand.....what kind of a person smokes? If white trash idiots get a tattoo who is the smoker? . ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Jools, I feel bad for ANYONE that is addicted to ANYTHING. Getting religion and preaching to everyone else does not change the fact that the person is still addicted to whatever it was that got them to this point, but because they got religion they have a false sense of being "cured" of their affliction. It does not work like that, in fact for many, for a while it is just another addiction. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Your "grasp" of smoking statistics is quite a bit off. You need to re-think your rationalization, not to mention the other deaths directly caused by or contributed to by smoking. In fact about 90% of lung cancer deaths are attributable to smoking.
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"Learnt" is a perfectly good word. Perhaps you should improve your grasp of English usage before you criticize someone else's proper use of a word? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Smoking is an experience. I know that for sure. I atarted when I was in the second grade. Or at least I tried to. The kid across the street, (Bobby Piano) was in the same grade and classes with me in grammar school. He took up shoplifting from the local grocery store as a hobby. Both our dads smoked, so Bobby "lifted" cigarettes, mostly by the pack, but sometimes by the carton, for us to share. We tried Camels, Raleighs, Pall Malls, Kools, and several other brands. Tried inhaling and not inhaling. Either way they were awful. Then one day, we were up in my folks' barn loft trying again. Its a wonder we didn't burn ourselves to death. There we were, sitting on about 6 tons of unbaled loose dry hay. all lit up and trying again. I was knocking the ashes off of my cigarette through a knot hole in the barn wall. About an hour before he was normally supposed to be home from work, I heard my dad swear. Well, long story short, he had come home early, and had started to walk into the barn when some ashes fell on his head. Guess who got their butt tanned right then and there? So I quit. Until I was 14 and we had moved from Arizona to California. When I was 14, I was working evenings repairing two cycle engines at the local gas station after school, by myself...4 p.m. 'til midnight, 5 days a week. I decided consciously to take up smoking again as several of my movie star heroes, mostly cowboys, all smoked and I was making enough money to buy my own junker car and to afford bootleg beer and cigarettes. So I started out again, on Kools. After a while I was up to three packs a day, plus several cigars a day too. Smoked like that until I graduated high school at 16, went into and got out of the service (after 3 "hitches") and went to college. Got several degrees at various good schools (Stanford, U of Oregon, and U of Oklahoma) but was still a heavy smoker. I was offered a high paying civil service job at Keyport Naval Torpedo Station. Had to take a physical. The Doc flunked me, which astounded me. Then he told me why...because I was a smoker!! He made me a deal when I pleaded desperately for him to pass me. If I would quit smoking, he would clear me for the job. So I walked out on the front steps of the huge old granite block medical building there at the University of Oklahoma, smoked about 12 Benson & Hedges 100s end to end. lighting one off the other, and then never touched tobacco again in my life. When I quit, I had been smoking for 16 years straight with at least 15 of those years puffing away at the rate of 3 packs of cigs a day, plus cigars. The first week was kind of tough, but I WANTED that job and I had given the Doc my word. After the first few days, every time I got the urge to smoke again, I'd tell myself "You've done the hard part. Why throw it all away and have to quit all over again by having a weed now? Go without at least the rest of today..." After about 3 or 4 weeks I had no conscious desire to smoke. Once in a while for the next two or three years, when in a bar or pizza parlor having a drink or fast food where others were smoking, I got the urge, but it was never too difficult to resist. And after maybe three years, I never even got a twinkling of an urge to smoke, ever again. It has now been over 40 years since I have had a smoke, and now I honestly can't stand the thought or the smell of of smoking. On reflection, I think it is easy to quit IF a person really wants to...and probably impossible if they don't. I was lucky. Something came along in my life which was important enough to me that I really WANTED to quit. So I did. And every time I am reminded of that former life (as this thread has done today) I think of that old Doc and thank him for being there at just the right moment to make me choose.  | |||
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Yup. BTW, "learnt" is a perfectly good word. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Waiting on lesson #1......the ball is in your court ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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My grandfather was a tobacco farmer. At age 7 he had me in the field-- asked me if I ever smoked. I said 'no'. He then proceeded to roll me a big green cigar from top leaves and made me take 2 puffs. I threw up for 3 hours --- I have never smoked after this. The smell of any tobacco product sickens me--- especially the ones like skoal. So, I don't like it used around me. | |||
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It's not that easy. You're not going to shift your lack of education onto me. You are the one who is lacking in language skills and you are the one who needs to improve them. I have no interest in teaching you but if you've learnt not to criticize other's usage without the basic knowledge required, then that is a start. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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So would one be grammatically correct if he was to make the statement..... That he was neither British nor learned was something I just learnt.  GWB | |||
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I call.....still your move.....but it would seem you have folded ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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https://www.google.com/search?....0...0.0.BmuBFkUVrrs the above aside,
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I was awaiting my education in British vs USA English from another member I lurk here to learn ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Ted, I understand, but I figured if I were to interject, that might supercede the need to consider the words "opprobrium" or ignominious, when contemplating posts in regard to linguistics and style. but perhaps, I'm tampering with untempered mortar, so not wanting to become garrulous......... Best GWB | |||
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I learnt long ago that trying to teach fools was a fool's errand, so I leave you to wallow in your ignorance. If you want to call that folding and it makes you feel better about yourself, that is fine with me. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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so mote it be
Still gathering lifes knowledge.....thank you for your input. Now...please back to the topic at hand.....smokers ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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 According to the Kinkster, it's speaking English that's killing us.  GWB Smoke Gets in Your Eyes Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. More often—especially today—it’s a political statement. http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-03-01/friedman.php When I was a child, I spoke as a child and, believe it or not, I smoked as a child. At the tender age of eighteen months, when my mother’s back was turned, a prescient if somewhat perverse uncle surreptitiously substituted a cigar for my pacifier. I don’t know if I should thank Uncle Eli, but 61 and a half years later I’m not only still smoking—I’ve started my own cigar company. I named it Kinky Friedman Cigars, or, as it’s become increasingly known throughout Texas and the world, KFC. Although smoking in general is currently being attacked from all quarters, I have no qualms about becoming a Jimmy Dean—style pitchman for my product. I strongly believe smoking cigars can yield at least three positive effects: reducing stress, increasing longevity, and irritating Lady Gladys Cumwell. From time to time, of course, as the situation dictates, I still resort to the pacifier. This draws the occasional rude comment, but truthfully, there’s not that much difference between a good cigar and the time-honored pacifier. After a lifetime of smoking I have only one or two taste buds left, but I can assure you, those little buds are having one hell of a party. Simply to suck on a cigar these days is tantamount to making a political statement. Politicians and bureaucrats at all levels of government have failed so disastrously at resolving the issues that matter to most people—health care, education, immigration, energy, property taxes, the environment—that all they seem able to do is tax tobacco and pass ever more stringent smoking regulations. The combined might of our government appears capable only of criminalizing trivia. You’d think George Washington crossed the Delaware expressly to keep Winston Churchill, Mark Twain, and Groucho Marx at least twenty feet away from the entrance to Katz’s Deli. We’re turning our beautiful country into nothing more than a condo association. Rules, regulations, and political correctness are strangling the best things America has to offer: freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom to be who you are. If you own a bar and want to let people smoke, you should be able to put a sign on the door, “Smoking allowed.” If you don’t want smoking, fine. Maybe you have a bar and you don’t want drinking. That’s fine too. If you’re gay, you can go to a gay bar; if you’re straight, you can go to a Jewish singles Purim party. This is the way America should be. Instead, we have a Houston city councilman who told former mayor pro tem Michael Berry, explaining why he voted for a citywide ban on smoking in bars, “What if I want to bring my kids to the bar?” Common sense is going up in smoke, folks. Misguided zealots behind draconian smoking laws often fall back on the argument “It’s for your health.” They haven’t noticed, apparently, that whenever you see a ninety-year-old geezer, most of the time he’s still puffing a stogie. But you almost never see a ninety-year-old smoking a cigarette. This is because we cigar smokers religiously follow the wise example of Bill Clinton: We don’t inhale. Unfortunately, not everybody’s fired up about my new venture. One malcontent recently e-mailed me the following message: “It is sad to see an icon turn into a whore.” “I don’t care what you call me,” I wrote back. “Rick Perry calls himself a public servant. Al Sharpton calls himself a civil rights leader. Besides, whores tend to hang around with a better class of people than icons.” I’m waiting, with bated smoke rings, for his response. The other folks who aren’t too happy with Kinky Friedman Cigars are some of the cigar industry Goliaths who don’t like seeing little David sharing their shelf space in stores. Nevertheless, after only a matter of months as the CEO of our small start-up, my friend Little Jewford (he’s a Jew and he drives a Ford) filed the following report: “We’ve moved more than 100,000 sticks in the last quarter. You’re on track to become the Famous Amos of the cigar world!” While being the face of the company is fun, I know we need some savvy as well. That’s why I tapped a true cigar maven, Sean Robinson, to be the president of KFC. At the urging of cigar magnates Hank Bischoff and Rafael Nodal, Sean traveled to the jungles of Honduras. There, amid machine guns, tarantulas, and beautiful women rolling beautiful cigars on their beautiful thighs, he befriended a man named Nestor, the king of the Cuban cigar—makers, who promised to create a special blend for Kinky Friedman Cigars. When Sean returned, he had several small darts in his back, compliments of the Mosquito Indians, and five cigar lines: the Governor, the Kinkycristo, the Texas Jewboy, the Willie (which has a little twist on one end), and the Utopian, the only cigar in America benefiting animal rescue (profits go to the Utopia Animal Rescue Ranch). Sean and Nestor are currently developing three new lines: the Clinton, a replica of the Cuban Montecristo I once presented to Bill at the White House; the Kinky Lady, with the butt (of the cigar, that is) dipped in honey; and a brand-new cigar whose blend, I’m told, enhances the flavor of tequila. In anticipation of their arrival, my friend Ben Welch has built the largest portable climate-controlled cigar vault in Texas. We are very concerned the Clinton’s becoming too moist. In the humidor. I’m sure there are people out there who’ll write letters to the editor of Texas Monthly casting asparagus upon this column, but I promise you, my words aren’t hazardous to anybody’s health. I’m just saying that God’s not going to honk your horn until he’s good and ready, so you might as well find what you like and let it kill you. Don’t get me wrong: I admire Lance Armstrong, consider him a friend, and appreciate his work fighting cancer. I respect anyone with genuine intentions regarding the welfare of all people. What I object to are officious little hall monitors who use health as a smoke screen to promote their agenda and themselves. What I want these people to put in their pipes is this: Spain, Israel, Japan, Italy, France, and Greece all have more smokers per capita than the U.S. They also have longer life expectancies than we do. What can we conclude from this? Speaking English is killing us! | |||
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Forgetting all the potential political statements, all the plus or minus health arguments, and so on, there is one reason for sure that I'm glad I quit smoking.... Money. For the 45+ years I haven't smoked, my "guesstimates" go about like this: 1966-76 Cost per pack $.50 or so average over that 10 year period. Times 3 packs per day, x 365 days per year, times 10 years = $5.475.00 saved. 1977-86 Cost per pack $1.00 or more. Amount saved = $10,950 or more. 1987-96 Cost $1.75 per pack or more. Amount saved = $19,162.25 or more. 1997-2011 Cost $2.25 per pack or more. Amount saved = $36,956.25 or more. Total grand aggregate saved just by not buying tobacco since I quit smoking is $72.543.50 or probably more, not including compound interest earned on the savings or any of the money I would have spent on cigars. The savings also does not include the lower premiums I paid for homeowner's insurance and health-care insurance over that time. The savings are also probably increased because I used part of the savings to NOT buy things on credit nearly as often because I had more money to pay for them up front. Hence, no interest paid to the robber bankers on items which would have been bought on credit if I was still smoking. So the upshot is that I CAN afford to live on my social security because I DID save the money and earned interest and dabbled in the stock market with it. Using some of the interest and the stock market earnings, I bought a nice home and a lot of shootable toys. That still left six figures in my checking account balance. I'm glad I quit just because of the better standard of living it made possible. | |||
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How do i feel about those who do...???Pathetic addicts. | |||
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So are all the brain damaged from motorcycles, skiing, watersports, football or any other physically risky activity. We support most of them for a lot longer than 10 years on average. They get a bullet too? You sound like Pete Singer. As for the original question, I don't think about it at all. They're just people to me. I haven't smoked since '74, dipped for a lot longer and after I quit that in '91 I began to realize how unpleasant it was to other people watching. Couldn't see it myself at the time (funny how that works). I guess I escaped the rabid-ex user syndrome. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Sounds logical but two problems with it. First, there is a price point at which smuggling becomes too profitable to ignore. For example, a pack of cigs in Times Square can be as high as $14.00 in some cases. Or you can go just around the corner and buy from street dealer for $7.00 and no tax at all is collected. Second, its so hard to quit that price won't deter most (including the "poor") from smoking. And since the "poor" are already the most vulnerable to start with as minors, its a given they will bear a much higher burden as a percent of income. Which means you and I will eventually have pay more taxes to support poor smokers than we already do. It is a no-win for anyone but the tax man. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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They are when they ship them to the Dominican Republic and have them re-branded. But then Dominicans are as good or better than the best Cuban today. Another icon of Cuban culture destroyed by communism. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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In statistics, there is what is called a correlation coefficient. A correlation coefficient value of 1.00 is a 100% correlation. Even then, a 100% correlation only proves there is a relationship, not causation. If there is a relationship between smoking and lung cancer or heart disease, then the correlation coefficient, to be considered statistically valid, should have a value of at least 0.90. I haven't found one study statistically linking smoking with lung cancer or heart disease with a correlation coefficient of 0.90 or higher. The adverse effects of smoking has become a social and political issue -- not a scientific one. "The appearance of the law most be upheld--especially while it's being broken." Boss Tweed | |||
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Absolutely!! It is almost funny reading these various post. Especially the ones from the self rightous posters that have the advantage of all of the "monday morning" information. When I was young, everybody smoked: Doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs, mothers, preganant women, everybody. Smokes were included in the C-ration packs. Tobacco companies would go to military bases with cases of their brands and hand out cartons and packs to the GIs. Movie stars, athletes, and just about every other role model type person smoked. Needless to say, testosrone crazed teen aged boys spent quite a bit of time in front of a mirror, trying to effect a cool manner whilst smoking. How many are old enough to remember when the ultimate of Kewl was walking around with a cigarette behind your ear?? In that sort of peer and role model pressure, I wonder how many of the current self-rightous posters would be smoke free?? Condidering how many of todays folks use drugs and promote the legalization of drugs, I daresay not many. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I wonder if I was to start smokin' again, could I be glamorous like Fred and Ginger? GWB | |||
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I won't argue statistics with any of you. You all know the old saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure". I suspect there is a causal relationship between smoking and lung failure because of the number of destroyed lungs I have seen in/from deceased smokers in the hospitals where I have served. It doesn't take a hell of a lot of looking at those blackened, tar-ridden lungs with much of the tissue absolutely destroyed to where there are large areas that simply are vacant of useful lung tissue, to cause one to say..."Nope, not worth the risk". | |||
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Just to name some things that are not health related that are turn-offs for me with smokers They (people) smell bad....real bad They taste bad....never kissed a smoker....if she smokes, it's a deal breaker The inside of most smokers cars stinks The inside of most smokers house stink ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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