What Kills - The Bullet's Kinetic Energy or Momentum?

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01 April 2011, 21:05

Ackley Improved User

What Kills - The Bullet's Kinetic Energy or Momentum?

I thought today would be a good day to resolve this issue. Maybe Walter can put it all in the proper perspective? Regards, AIU

02 April 2011, 00:41

willl

Niether what kills is bullets I've never tried to shoot kinetic enery or momentum out of my gun. Any way have you seen the price of momentum and kinetic energy its outragious i`ll stick to bullets and the animals I shoot will keep dieing

03 April 2011, 02:10

lavaca

What kills? Pneumothorax,blood loss or tissue damage.

03 April 2011, 03:25

ted thorn

Location.....

I am ashamed to say as a younger man I killed more than I should have with a .22LR 40 grn solids through the lungs

I was rough on turkeys too

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03 April 2011, 05:00

Swamp_Fox

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
What kills? Pneumothorax,blood loss or tissue damage.

Don't forget CNS damage.

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03 April 2011, 08:42

SGraves155

Momentum is the first derivative of KE.
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03 April 2011, 16:53

Ghubert

Energy doesn't kill game, people do!

Fight energy controls!

14 April 2011, 02:41

Moorepower

Exanguination.

14 April 2011, 04:40

arkypete

Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

14 April 2011, 13:27

Scriptus

quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

15 April 2011, 04:57

Recono

quote:
Originally posted by Scriptus:
quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

I don't think it's funny. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that arkypete's analysis is closer to the truth than most theories I've heard. I'm sure that it correlates MUCH better with actual experience than energy or momentum.

15 April 2011, 22:54

The Dane

quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

Sooooo when shot at night nothing dies until next morning?
Apperently scandinavian wild pigs don't know that rule

15 April 2011, 23:38

arkypete

quote:
Originally posted by The Dane:
quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

Sooooo when shot at night nothing dies until next morning?
Apperently scandinavian wild pigs don't know that rule

No, still works, moon light is reflected sun light. And star light is sun light from a far away sun.

Jim

16 April 2011, 02:09

someoldguy

quote:
Originally posted by The Dane:
quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
Actually it's day light that kills. Put a big hole in the critter, let day light in and the critter dies.

Jim

Sooooo when shot at night nothing dies until next morning?
Apperently scandinavian wild pigs don't know that rule

It may have to do with moon phases.

29 April 2011, 18:29

45otto

What about an overcast night? Actually it's a failure of the pnuematic/hydraulic system.

01 May 2011, 10:53

Idaho Sharpshooter

Neither. It's actually the noise. That's why a 600 NE kills so much better than a 22lr.

Rich

01 May 2011, 13:03

N E 450 No2

Actually what "kills" is when the Brain is rendered dead.

This can happen if the brain is destroyed.

Or if the Brain does not get enough blood.

Or if the Brain does not get enough oxygen.

The man or beast, can be knocked down, or stunned..., but the "life form" is not dead until he brain is dead.

SO, unless the Brain is hit, the quicker the bullet causes disruption to the Brain, the quicker Death will be.

In many circumstances the immediate cestation of hostilties [ICH] is more important than death. Still, rapid blood pressure loss, leads to rapid ICH.

01 May 2011, 19:30

OLBIKER

quote:
Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Actually what "kills" is when the Brain is rendered dead.

This can happen if the brain is destroyed.

Or if the Brain does not get enough blood.

Or if the Brain does not get enough oxygen.

The man or beast, can be knocked down, or stunned..., but the "life form" is not dead until he brain is dead.

SO, unless the Brain is hit, the quicker the bullet causes disruption to the Brain, the quicker Death will be.

In many circumstances the immediate cestation of hostilties [ICH] is more important than death. Still, rapid blood pressure loss, leads to rapid ICH.

Then how do you explain all the women walking around??????

01 May 2011, 19:51

Grizzly Adams

I always look at the fact it is imperative for the bullet to make a hole, in order for it to do it's job.

No hole, no KIll.

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01 May 2011, 23:36

45otto

Women and poloticians? Or women politicians? A double whammy!

02 May 2011, 16:18

arkypete

OK fellows, the Navy SEALs proved my theory that allowing day light into the critter is what kills. The SEALS opened up OBLs head to allow enlightenment in and he died. Truth most always hurts the recipient.

Jim