http://www.sh-superprecision.com/

Above is the .620-caliber/800-grain version, by S&H, just for illustration of the type.

The lubricity of the brass is better, the coefficient of friction is less, than that of copper.
Yet it is harder than copper.
The nose is less likely to deform, than copper.
It will penetrate deeper, whatever the critter.

I believe a SHARRC FN will have lower starting pressure and lesser barrel friction than even a GSC FN copper solid.

This is due to both the brass material AND the minimal bearing "SHARRC Gill" drive bands.
The Barnes brass or copper is not even in the same league as the GSC and S&H FNs.

And then there is the dimensional perfection, uniformity, and perfect finish on every bullet.
The S&H is in a league of its own, in that regard.

I think the Brass SHARCC FN is easier on the barrels of antique double rifles than any other bullet.

And for maximum velocity and lowest pressure for velocity attained,
in a bolt action or single shot,
it is the hottest and toughest and deepest penetrator of all.

Can anyone contradict me on any of this?

Or is it just "no contest?"

Best solid in the world?

do they have a webpage? Where to buy them? Do they make .585" FN solids?

macifej, who is a regular poster here, is one of the proprietors. He always lists his website on his posts.

I think what is missing compared to some of the other premium solids is adequate field experience to verify the tests conducted on the bullets.

I know of no reason they would not perform well, but the proof is in the pudding.

I volunteer to conduct such tests without pay, I just need my expenses covered.

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Originally posted by buffalo:
do they have a webpage? Where to buy them? Do they make .585" FN solids?

http://www.sh-superprecision.com/

I'll stick that in above too.

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
I think what is missing compared to some of the other premium solids is adequate field experience to verify the tests conducted on the bullets.

I know of no reason they would not perform well, but the proof is in the pudding.

I volunteer to conduct such tests without pay, I just need my expenses covered.

Charles,
Macifej is starting a gallery of dead animals at:
http://www.sh-superprecision.com/

Do not hold your breath until he pays you to add to it.

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Originally posted by Canuck32:
Just got in from doing a little shooting with the 470 Mbogo. Recovered a bullet today (finally).

This one was fired at 2765 FPS avg and traveled @ 3 1/2 ft through wet clay hill. Slight deformation due to small rocks it hit in hill but still weighs 472 grs. Using same charge as I have for 500 gr TSX which is 2650 fps and 47700 psi this is at 42000 psi so I could ramp it up to a lot faster but not needed.
Pressure results are still prelimanry as I only was able to shoot 2 475 grs before weather shut me down again.

Lonny

The above .475/475-grain brass solid had its nose bent, but it went about 3.5 feet into a clay bank with rocks in it, and started off at 2765 fps!
That is an amazing testament to the structural integrity of the S&H brass.

I do believe Lonny had the balls to shoot lion(s), as in simba, with the S&H solid bullets, and it worked!
Can't remember what he used on the elephant and rhino.
He has got a start on an impressive bag for his big balls.

Fantastic 470 Mbogo loads too!
And he is getting pressure testing results that are amazingly low for such loads?
The ultimate sporting dinosaur rifle may be a 470 Mbogo loaded with S&H solids.

S&H SHARRC FN: Best Solid in the World

Still no challenges to this?

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Do not hold your breath until he pays you to add to it.

I am sure he's glad he hasn't held his breath waiting for some of us to actually use his boolitz!!

They still look very shiney in my reloading cabinet!

Cheers
Canuck

Sorry to report we don't have the budget to send you guys to Africa ...

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
Sorry to report we don't have the budget to send you guys to Africa ...

What about a 750 grs FN solid in the .585"?? Can / will you make that??

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
Sorry to report we don't have the budget to send you guys to Africa ...

But your Sharks (along with Rob's Copper Bore Rider and Wayne's X) will make it there nonetheless!!!

Leave August 28th - back September 14th. Cape Buffalo x 2 + various plains game.

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
Sorry to report we don't have the budget to send you guys to Africa ...

Can't blame a guy for trying...

quote:

Originally posted by buffalo:

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
Sorry to report we don't have the budget to send you guys to Africa ...

What about a 750 grs FN solid in the .585"?? Can / will you make that??

700 is better in the .585".

E-mail what you need and will get it done for you.

I hear that S&H has some .510/535-grain FN Solid SHARRCs.
SD .294,
which is the standard 500 Jeffery fare.

I figure that is good enough for ultimate penetrator: 0.300 +/- 0.010
i.e., 0.290 to 0.310 SD,
especially when FN solid is made of that slick brass
with SHARRC gills,
for just about the lowest "START PRESSURE" possible.

Can no one contradict the acceptability of these bullets for antique double rifles?
I think they are good even there.

They are certainly the best possible solid for mono-barrel rifles, IMNSHO.

New .375's & .510's will be shipping mid month ...

Mac,

Very nice bullet with gills laying to the rear for easy crimping, if I interpret correctly.

What ratio or percentage have you standardised on iro the meplat diameter for each caliber.

I see you make a 250 gr 9,3 mm Solid, would you be able to export a shipment to SA or is the hazzle to great?

If RIP says it is the finest bullet, then take it as a compliment you deserve.

Curious to know the composition of the brass you use. Some guy turned 9,3 Solids for me with Phosphor Bronze. Could you elaborate on the difference for me please.

The custom Solid referred to is the bullet on the far right (.366/286 grains):



Thanks
Warrior

Warrior

Phosphor bronze is typically 90/10 copper/tin with a trace of phosphor. The brass we use is closer to 60/35 copper/zinc with traces of lead and iron. The brass machines better and is easier on your barrel. Phosphor bronze makes a good bullet but it's pretty hard stuff - too hard IMO.

We do make a 9.3 bullet but exporting small quantities from the the US is cost prohibitive due to US Department of State requirements. If in the US, you're allowed to carry them back home for personal use. Last I checked you're permitted up to 1000 pieces of bullets, brass, etc. per trip.

Will the inherent design of the fin canalures help the bullet be more true in the barrel and thus more accurate?

How many finalures are needed?
Can some of the shark fins on the longer bullets be canned to reduce bearing surface and go even easier on the barrels?

OK Ron, I will take the bait.

The S & H cannot possibly be the best truncated FN solid in the world because of the following:

1. My good friend Ron Berry's precision rifleman-ship is prominently displayed on the web page.

2. There are not 100 dead elephants on the website. (But there is a deer?)

3. The manufacturer has not been in business for 20 years with thousands of happy customers from all around the world who have received their bullets on time.

4. Claims for less pressure and engraving force have not been verified by an indipendant laboratory.

5. The S & H 450 grain .458 caliber bullet is about 0.2 inches longer than the copper North Fork I used on elephant, and will there fore have less powder capacity, so it had better have less pressure.

6. I have not used this bullet on elephant at 9 paces like I have the North Fork, or measured how much it compressed on a head shot. (Less than 0.005 inches).

7. Does this FN cycle reliably through unmodified bolt action rifles?

8. A .330-.340 SD TC FN Woodleigh w copper coated steel jacket would have about 10% more penetration than a lighter monolithic solid made out of either copper or brass. Problem is, it does not exist.

9. Double rifle shooters have a huge advantage in TC FN configurations. Sharp or no radius to meplat. Wide meplat. Boo hoo!

It sure is pretty though!

Andy

Sounds like someone is jealous of your deer slaying prowess Ron ...

I confess.

I am jealous!

Andy

Rippo,

It is all just talk until I see verifiable data. Saying the brass is easier on the barrel (less resistance) but tougher than copper is a little tough to swallow. And the grooves are not deep enough, in that the rifling is cutting into the shank of the bullet which from the few NF's I have used don't.

Wanna try again?

quote:

The brass we use is closer to 60/35 copper/zinc with traces of lead and iron. The brass machines better and is easier on your barrel.

There are 4 brass alloys that fit this description, including that used by TCCI in the A-Square patent (C36000 free cutting brass).

C35000 Medium leaded brass
C35300 High Leaded brass
C35600 Arsenic free-cutting brass
C36000 Free cutting brass

"Melt stock" used to make free cutting brass is 61.5% copper, 35.4% zinc and 3.1% lead. It consists of recycled copper ingot and or scrap zinc and lead, plus brass scrap turnings. More than one half of all free cutting brass is recycled in the form of machine shop turnings.

There is nothing magical about these alloys. Just that they are easy to machine.

Andy

I like the tale about the alloy. I don't doubt it. I like the design too. I bet the moly coat on GSC makes for a lower starting pressure (into the lands). I also bet peak pressure difference between you and GSC is so small it is irrelevant in the scheme of things. If I had one of those lovely thin-barreled H&H pre-WWI rifles I would not let you test your theory about barrel safety. Sorry.

As both are bore riders, I have a hard time seeing a practical difference in the style of the driving bands except for product differentiation. I think exposure, customer service, availabilty and lastly price will win the day.

Mac,

What percentage have you standardised on iro the meplat diameter for each caliber?

Thanks
Warrior

Andy,
You lessen your criticism by besmirching it with mere alleged
ulterior motive, or hidden personal agenda on my part?
Petty!
Just the facts of the bullets please.
You have done better when you stuck to that tactic, above.

Will,
You need to put your glasses on and gander at the SHARRC fin driving bands. The lands do not engrave the shank!
Lonny's .475/475gr solid above has normal driving bands, not SHARRC fins.
However, even that one is not engraving the shank, just the bands.
It is a transitional design, more like a GSC FN but made of brass instead of copper.
It serves as a testimony to the brass alloy strength.

Here is the evolution of the S&H FN:

First a mere multi-canelured brass FN-FB solid to fill a void of .395 caliber bullets, back when I was begging for this "new-old" caliber.
Then a shocking brass hollowpoint where the SHARCC fin showed up first.
Two very different designs, originally conceived and executed by S&H, to hush a crybaby, me!

Then S&H combined the FN nose with the SHARRC shank and tail.
Voila!
Best solid available in this world!


Compare the strength of S&H brass versus the copper of the GSC FN:






The S&H brass .395/330-grainer started off at 2812 fps.
The GSC copper .395/340-grainer started off at 2726 fps.
Both loads used 96.0 grains of H4350 in same rifle
(the only one in the world).

The copper expanded much more than the brass.
The copper scored penetration of 68.5".
The brass scored penetration of 79.5".
This was in the Iron WaterBoard Buffalo (alternating waterbuckets and plywood sandwhich).

This taken along with the picture of Lonny's rock crusher above,
proves the structural superiority of the S&H brass over copper, and that would include North Fork copper too.

The only picture of rifling engraving I have handy is that of the .395/310-grain SHARRC VeloHexploder, an historic bullet, that proved the SHARRC Fin driving band in brass.
Such fin-like driving band profile has long occurred on many cast bullets in lead, smoothing the transition of the slugs into the rifling.
Bullets recovered after being fired from a .395 Tatanka, into a train of end-to-end 5-gallon waterbuckets,
you see that the shank is not engraved:



BTW the VeloHexploder is a very accurate and speedy one-shot killer of elk and deer. It works.
Nontoxic to humans. A "green" bullet.

I'll get back to you on the lubricity or coefficient of friction of S&H brass versus the copper.
Mere conjecture (by Will) that the copper is softer than brass, so ought to start into the rifling with lesser pressure is not good enough.

The brass machines better too.

RIP,

Surely you know I was kidding.

You are one of the only people on AR who base their opinions on empericaly observed facts and get your hands dirty, bloody, or at least, with the Iron Buffalo, wet and splintered!

You just should have claimed that the S & H was the prettiest TC FN in the world, not the best!?

Andy

PS The A Square patent did verify that the free cutting brass TCCI 0.50 caliber projectile had less pressure than the std 650 grain copper coated steel jacket. Dont know about comparing copper to brass however?

Good point Andy!
Not only is it the best performing TC FN solid in the world,
the S&H FN is also the prettiest!

quote:

Originally posted by Andy:

quote:

The brass we use is closer to 60/35 copper/zinc with traces of lead and iron. The brass machines better and is easier on your barrel.

There are 4 brass alloys that fit this description, including that used by TCCI in the A-Square patent (C36000 free cutting brass).

C35000 Medium leaded brass
C35300 High Leaded brass
C35600 Arsenic free-cutting brass
C36000 Free cutting brass

"Melt stock" used to make free cutting brass is 61.5% copper, 35.4% zinc and 3.1% lead. It consists of recycled copper ingot and or scrap zinc and lead, plus brass scrap turnings. More than one half of all free cutting brass is recycled in the form of machine shop turnings.

There is nothing magical about these alloys. Just that they are easy to machine.

Andy

There are a lot more than 4 in the catagory.

There are allowable variances within particular alloys.

There is nothing magical about any metal.

There are very few alloys of anything which don't have scrap/recycled contents.

There was a point Andy ...??

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Originally posted by Warrior:
Mac,

What percentage have you standardised on iro the meplat diameter for each caliber?

Thanks
Warrior

Warrior

There isn't a fixed ratio of meplat to groove diameter. The ratio and nose angles vary slightly in larger and smaller bullets.

Jay,
S&H brass would be considered a "soft" brass, would it not?
Just the right "softness" eh?

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Originally posted by RIP:
Jay,
S&H brass would be considered a "soft" brass, would it not?
Just the right "softness" eh?

More like a "medium" - condition is H02 or "half hard".

One of the issues with using very soft copper is that the bullet will obturate to the barrel at higher pressures which could increase start pressure. Lonny's example points to this. The yield strength of brass is well above the start or even ultimate pressure the bullet sees.

What type of tolerences are you holding the out side dia. too.

They seem like a very neat bullet.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
What type of tolerences are you holding the out side dia. too.

They seem like a very neat bullet.

+0/-.0002"

quote:

Not only is it the best performing TC FN solid in the world, the S&H FN is also the prettiest!

Gerard, alias Rasputin, is not going to like this, and I suspect he will defend this even in his after-life, by explaining that a Solid should actually expand, as it makes it more reliable, and this reliability comes from his own observations as to how the game fall, and that it is so obvious if you see 50 fall this way, and another 50 fall that way. The Rasputin explanation will come in (punted) by way of saying that all solids actually expand, even if it is just half a thou.

For sure the S&H Solid looks damn nice !!!

Warrior

The GSC FN is good enough for anything.
The S&H is just better.
Nice to have an alternative to GSC,
located on this side of the pond,
and it is an alternative that is not inferior.

Happy Fourth of July Y'all!

My machinist son wants to know which type of turning center you are using.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
My machinist son wants to know which type of turning center you are using.

Citizen L20 for the small stuff.