Just 5 minutes ago a semi retired smith I know came into my office and droped in my lap a NIB Sako AV left handed action & a NIB LH McMillan Sako Hunter fiber grain stock. Being that I am left handed and have never owned or fired a left handed rifle I'm kinda getting excited here. 1st thing I thought was 375 H&H

Now what do you think?

You can never go wrong owning a 375 H&H.

I think can just see the grin on your face!

.375 H&H is never wrong. Good minimum caliber for the world's challenges ... small to larger.

Congratulations!

.375H&H or .416Rem.

Barring that, a 7mmSTW for those long-range deer.

George

I'll add my vote for the 375. I have never hunted Africa or Alaska and probably never will, but if I were forced to give up all of the rifles I own and just keep one to hunt with for the rest of my life, it would be my 375. JMO.

No wonder - your name is "Golden"; lucky guy!

Yeah, I vote .375 H&H too!

Cool!

Have fun with your new project rifle......Oh, Bye-the-Bye, you won't have to feel undergunned with a .375H&H in Texas, either.

Should have asked this on the original
What barrel?
length?
twist?
bases & rings?

I want to do it right the first time.

Thanks, Steve

I love mine. Awesome caliber.

Another voter for keeping the .375 H&H above all others. If this is your first foray into Big Bore/D.G. rifles...definitely go with the 375. Lots of available loading options. Easy cartridge to load. My .375 will be the last rifle I will give up when the new arsenal control laws (currently being written) in the US go into effect...

Steve
What other calibers do you have, and what would you want to hunt with this rifle?

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Steve
What other calibers do you have, and what would you want to hunt with this rifle?

.22, .243, .270, 30-30 & .340

I don't need a .375 for any particular reason so I guess that is the reason I would want one. Sure would like to blast some pigs with one.

Steve,

If you have a .340Wby., then I'd suggest going with the .416 Remington. You never know when an elephant might escape from the circus, or a bull might get too ornery to be around people.

George

I agree with George. Since you have a 340 Wby [great caliber by the way] I would go with a 416 or a 458 Win/or Lott.

I actually perfer the 458 for a "fun" gun as bullets are so much cheaper.
Loaded to "Marlin" 45/70 velocities you have a low recoil big bore pig gun. You can also always go full throttle when you want.

Good point George. I did start thinking about a .416 after your post yesterday.
If so then how should I set it up - barrel & length, twist? I've never had this opportunity before.

Go for the 375 H&H, 24" barrel. There are now dozens of experts on AR who can counsel you on the correct barrel twist (and I'm not one of them), buy a Krieger barrel, just make sure the twist will stabilize a 380 grain Rhino bullet. You won't need a bigger bore for 99% of your hunting.

Steve,

I'd get a 24" barrel, with whatever twist rate is standard for 400gr. 'softs'.

Put a NECG front site on it, and a Brockman pop-up peep rear scope base to go with the Talley front base.

Put a barrel band on it, or have the front sling stud placed on the fore-end tip.

Have it 'glass bedded, put two cross-bolts in the stock fore and aft of the action, and a Pachmayr Decelerator pad on it.

George

twist rate?? 1:16.5 is spec for the 416 but most makers went with a faster twist at 1:14 to improve performance. Performance can be further improved by going with a 1:10 or at least 1:12.

Thanks George, that is most/all of what I need to know.
I see you are catching a little heat this morning - it too shall pass. Glad I'm not a moderator. When people get ta chomping on my ass I take my mind back to a good hunt - Thanks Again.

Steve,

You're welcome. I'm glad I could provide some assistance.

As for catching heat, not hardly. The person making that post is, and always has been, beneath contempt.

George

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
1:16.5 is spec for the 416 but most makers went with a faster twist at 1:14 to improve performance. Performance can be further improved by going with a 1:10 or at least 1:12.

Dan,

What evidence do you have to support these claims? By 'makers', do you mean major rifle manufacturers (USRAC, Ruger, Remington, Browning, CZ, et al.), smaller manufacturers (e.g., H-S Precision, Dakota Arms, J. Rigby, Holland & Holland), or custom rifle builders (Hein, Searcy, Olson, etc.)?

Define 'performance', while you're at it.

George

According to Blaser paperwork that I have their 375 H&H bbls, standard adn Safari have a 1 in 12" twist.
Their 416 RM bbl has a 1 in 14" twist.
All their 30 cal bbls are listed as 1 in 11".

George,

You do well given some of the silliness that occurs here. Thanks for your patience.

Steve,

I did not realize from your post that you already have one heavy kicker. Therefore, I'd recommend a .416 is Africa is ever in your future. Is more effective on really big game than is the .375. If not, the .375 is certainly big enough for anything in North America.

George,

I went through it all in the twist thread. You don't really want me to go through it all again here do you?

My nephew tells me when he gets rich he will be taking us to Africa. I believe in him as he is very head strong. I don't like to dilly-dalley so it will be the .416rem done deal.
Thanks to all for the in-put.
Steve

George does seem to have a Respectable Class (rare these days)

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
George,

I went through it all in the twist thread. You don't really want me to go through it all again here do you?

Sure why not

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Steve,

If you have a .340Wby., then I'd suggest going with the .416 Remington. You never know when an elephant might escape from the circus, or a bull might get too ornery to be around people.

George

ditto this or a 404 jeffery

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Steve,

If you have a .340Wby., then I'd suggest going with the .416 Remington. You never know when an elephant might escape from the circus, or a bull might get too ornery to be around people.

George

ditto this or a 404 jeffery

Man I thought I made mind up here - I don't hand load, can a person get factory 404 Jeff. ammo?

a square sells it...

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=3&Cat...ystring=653***690***

read some posts on a search on the 404. the owners love them

I'll check into it Boom...maby I should wait and see how you like the .396 BS AMERICAN Mag.

At 9 bucks apiece for the 404 jeff, I'd stick with the 416 Rem!

yea I just checked on midway - can't afford that
back to 416

Thought I heard somewhere that the 404 Jeffery was going to be offered by the federal premium line-might be mistaken on that but it would be nice! I like the 375 H&H very much therefor I have three of them: whitworth express, win model 70 and a ruger #1. There great rifles and shoot very well. R.

Steve, it just so happens I am sitting here with a right handed Sako Fiberclass (McMillan stock)AV in 375 H&H in my lap. Just had it teflon coated and a barrel band sling swivel put on it. It's one of my favorite Sakos. 375 H&H...there is no substitute. It's true that there are bigger cartridges, but few with as much class or history. Lou

my 2cents.

you already have a powerful "30".. and should make this one a "40"...

the 458 lott is the hardest to "beat" bigbore there is... if you reload. you can load down to barely more than 45LC loads, all the way up to, straining, a 2300fps with a 500gr bullet.

brass, dies, and bullets are cheapcheap

and it IS a super pentrating round, and seems to be on the way (if boddington and other's reports can be trusted) in the hands of Phs.

besides, its FUN to blow up bottles with

jeffe

You've got a 340 which is plenty for anything in North America or an African plains game hunt so why not jump to the 458 Lott! I think Jeffe is right and you would have all the bases covered. You can always pick up a 375 later they are plentiful and meanwhile your 340 would more than fullfill any gaps. I've got two 458 wins with magnum length mag wells just starving for a Lott reamer! Rodney.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
George,

I went through it all in the twist thread. You don't really want me to go through it all again here do you?

I lost interest in the twist thread after ten pointless posts.

Restating your evidence shouldn't take too much time or trouble.

All I'm interested in is:

quote:

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
1:16.5 is spec for the 416 but most makers went with a faster twist at 1:14 to improve performance. Performance can be further improved by going with a 1:10 or at least 1:12.


Dan,

What evidence do you have to support these claims? By 'makers', do you mean major rifle manufacturers (USRAC, Ruger, Remington, Browning, CZ, et al.), smaller manufacturers (e.g., H-S Precision, Dakota Arms, J. Rigby, Holland & Holland), or custom rifle builders (Hein, Searcy, Olson, etc.)?

Define 'performance', while you're at it.

George

No opinions, no conjecture. Just the evidence to support your statements above.

George

George,

Looks like a new fight to me. Were you planning posting evidence to the contrary? I am wondering why you would wish to place artificial limits on a discussion. Perhaps you should review the twist thread for the information you seek.

You made claims in this thread, none of which I ever heard before.

I am merely trying to determine whether there is any basis in fact for these claims. If there is, then I have learned something new. If there isn't, then perhaps you should retract those claims.

If I wanted to 'place artificial limits on discussion', I would not have allowed the twist thread to continue unabated for as long as it has.

Asking for some evidence supporting statements offered as fact could hardly be considered as having a chilling effect on discussion.

George

At the risk of derailing this thread in a hurry I will provide some info as I was involved in the other thread.

The factual basis that 500 grains statements rely on are based off of info from Norbert relating to the SuperPenetrator bullets only. If you refer to the middle of page 15 on the twist thread they state that penetration is different between FN & RN bullets...which nobody denys.

The only issue where a faster twist is stated as beneficial is within 20 yards on finishing shots.

quote:

At 20 yards, stabilisation was not sufficient enough for a convincing interpretation. The angle of yaw has to be reached its minimum, the bullet being "asleep". Therefore with close-in finishing shots we often observe tumbling and bullet deformation. Therefore it is advisable to use a twist shorter than the normal 1:14.

I would suspect this has more to do with the extra long length of the SP bullets only. My only issue with 500 grains is that he is stated facts from one bullet makers tests and saying that it should be a uniform rule for all bullets and all calibers across the board. The SP bullets are long for caliber and may warrant a slightly faster twist...but normal bullets stabilize just fine.

George and Steve...I apologize for interupting as I am not trying to be a sychophantic groupie...just offering my interpretation.

George I just noticed that lefty leaning on the buff...what is it?