Hello.
In the last Hatari Times magazine , a new "Leverbolt rifle " is being advertised . It will be on display in the SCI Convention, Reno, Booths #129 & #131. Would appreciate fotos and info. of those who are lucky to attend.
The ad. says "Proven Mauser 98 , combining the speed and ease of operation of the lever action".

Humm..Intriguing.
Pulki.

I will be in Reno for the final three days. I can take a look and report back.

Rich

Rich,

How about taking a photo or two, and asking if they'll produce it in left-hand in the (foreseeable) future?

George

Gee. Will it be a push feed in .45-70?



JUST KIDDING!

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Gee. Will it be a push feed in .45-70?



JUST KIDDING!

leverbolt?
like a saavge 99?

or like a BLR?

Winchester 88 type perhaps?

Might just be the ticket if it was magazine and controled round fed...nothing but substituting a lever for a bolt handle more or less...I can see it working....just don't know how.

Looking forward to pictures...

There was a Newton Leverbolt 80+- years ago that I think was a straight pull operated by a pivoting bolt handle. Nothing at all like a conventional lever action.

Bruce

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Originally posted by DWright:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Gee. Will it be a push feed in .45-70?



JUST KIDDING!

The browning BLRs have a rotating bolt, don't they?

I had it in my fat little fingers a couple times Thursday afternoon. Harald says starting at $8000 and a year's wait. It was pretty spiffy. I sent Ed and Boomie and Jeffeosso some pictures. Somebody should post them tomorrow. I would buy one in a neater caliber, like 450 Rigby/Dakota. Harald says he makes them to order, and if he had ten orders for the bigger action he would make a run, about the same $$$. This is much sleeker and better looking in person. It really works great IMHO! I could live with one in 458 Lott I guess. You have to work the bolt a few cycles to really appreciate what Newton did seventy years ago. S-l-i-c-k!!

Rich
Buff Killer

Nice looking rifle, can't imagine anything else coming from Mr Wolf (?) though. The scalloped bolt handle in the scan of the flyer is a bit confusing, the photos that boomstick has posted up show it better, would love to know how it works, some sort of cam to give the bolt body a 90 degree turn I guess, but how from what looks like about a 20 degree bolt handle arc? Looking forward to more info.
Steve

Shinzo,

the lift shown in the rifle in white is how far you have to lift the bolt, and then just pull back and push forward and down. Slick!

Rich
Buff Killer

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Shinzo,

the lift shown in the rifle in white is how far you have to lift the bolt, and then just pull back and push forward and down. Slick!

Rich
Buff Killer

Thanks for that Rich, I sort of suspected that, nice to have it confirmed. Now, being a creature of insatiable curiosity,(a bit like the elephants child, pity I missed the never forgetting bit ), I want to know how Harld & Charles newton before him, turns a 20 degree fore & aft bolt handle movement to a 90 degree bolt rotation. Strikes me as being way clever. I have to say I like the look of it & it should be a very quick action to cycle.
Steve

I guess it all depends on the cam angles...ie;-the more radical, the more degrees of bolt rotation per degree of bolt handle rotation.
...unless it operates on a pinion gear system then it would depend on the dia. of the gear thats attached to the handle that enguages with the bolt body...
the larger the driving gear on the bolt handle, the better the ratio of turn for the bolt body
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I was going to ask, but I think it has been answered,is the rifle in the white a new rifle or an orginal example that is being refurbished?

From the posts, I think it is a completely new rifle.

Like GeorgeS, I hope the leverbolt is made in left hand configuration one day soon. It would be fitting if the rifle were available in chamberings like the .350 Newton.

I do not have much experience with straight pull rifles. I have only shot a Blaser and seen a Ross rifle. Coming from the traditonal turn bolt background, I found it difficult to get along with the Blaser straight pull.

Those who have handled the Newton rifle, how difficult is the bolt mechanism to get used to?

With the short backwards travel needed to open the bolt, do you think there are any safety issues involved with field use of the rifle: accidental discharge with the bolt mechanism not fully locked up?

Do you think the bolt action could come open inadvertently when brushing up against undergrowth when slung over the shoulder or withdrawn from a scabbard or cover?

I think it is a very fine piece of rifle making and wish the project every success.

the only way for it to come open inadvertantly would be for something to lift the bolt up and haul it backwards. It could happen, but seems rather unlikely.

Both rifles in my pictures were N-E-W by Harald Wolfe of Hatari Times.

Rich
Buff Killer

I gave the rifles a good once over at the show and found them interesting and well built but wonder what, other than being different, they really offer? IF they are any faster than a well honed bolt action it would be minimal at most and unless you were well trained with them it would be easy to confuse their operation with standard bolt actions - which would certainly make them slower.

If Harald does finally produce them though they will be well built.

Phil,

I think you are dead-on, it's like Bisleys VS SAA gripframe. For a guy that will commit to the design early on and stay with it, might be a way to be different, but still deadnuts reliable. As you said, if Harald makes it, it will be quality. I liked the way they felt cycling, but the tariff was about six standard grade CZ's.

Rich
Buff Killer

I printed out the pics this morning, and noted that the faces of the lugs on the bolt are canted like those of the 1917 Enfield. The locking faces therefore move away from each other when opening, rather than sliding across each other as in the '98. This will reduce the effort required to rotate the bolt to the unlocked position, as well as providing powerful cammed chambering. From the angle of the locking faces, it appears that the bolt unlocks by rotating clockwise, the opposite of the Mauser.

Scaling the large photo, I come up with about 25 degrees of rotation of the bolt handle. If the bolt dia and lug dimensions are the same as the '98, about 70 degrees of bolt rotation would be required to move the locking faces of the lugs clear of the locking abutments in the reciever. This would be the minimum amount of rotation to unlock. So we have 25 degrees input at the bolt handle and a minimum of 70 degrees of bolt rotation as output. This gives us a ratio of about 2.8 to one, which is certainly do-able, but I'm curious about cammed extraction.

Suppose, for instance, we decide that 1/16 inch of cammed extraction is sufficient, based on the notion that at 1/16 inch, the case is either popped loose from the chamber, or the extractor has pulled through the rim of the case. At the same camming ratio found in the Mauser, I come up with an additional bolt handle motion of about 3/8 inch. I am very curious as to how cammed extraction is accomplished.

Another interesting point is the compressing of the striker spring. Is it cock on closing?

Anyway, this is all wild speculation and great fun.

I'm wondering if someone here knows Harald Wolf, and if so perhaps he could be enticed to post a little something explaining the workings of this most interesting action.

RG

Harald hunts Africa a lot, and does a quarterly magazine called Hatari Times. About $50 a year. He will have a complete description of the rifle in the next issue. I could enjoy owning one if he did a slightly larger frame, say a 416 Rigby or 450 Dakota/Rigby. I really like the silky smooth cycling action. Newton was a genius.

Rich
Buff Killer

Thanks, Idaho-

I'll get in touch with them about a subscription.

I must say it is a very nice looking rifle and the craftsmanship is clearly first class. I've never much cared for schnable tips, but the one on this rifle is nicely done and I actually like it.

And yes, we all owe a lot to old Chas.

RG

Now if it were a double barrel lever bolt we all would be happy

The craftsmanship looks lovely.

I wonder if these can be mass produced or if they require lots of hand tuning to work.

Who do I contact about the new Newton Leverbolt?

Welcome...

Anyone got the # or website for Newton Arms?

It would be great if they would post here.

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"I gave the rifles a good once over at the show and found them interesting and well built but wonder what, other than being different, they really offer? IF they are any faster than a well honed bolt action it would be minimal at most and unless you were well trained with them it would be easy to confuse their operation with standard bolt actions - which would certainly make them slower."

+1 to that here too!

I can't see the point of trying to fix something that isn't broke. Any and all "turning or rotating or moving bolt" straight pull rifles are an accident waiting to happen.

A straight pull rifle should have a bolt that moves only in one direction ONLY. That's right. Straight back. No lifting, turning, rotating, twisting or any other nonsense. JUST STRAIGHT BACK!

That is only one safe straight pull rifle and that is the one where you do just that. Give it a straight pull and a properly positioned and shaped bolt that sticks out to the side like a flag to do the job right. Like Ross did got in right in 1905!

It is a stupid idea. You do what? Lift it up then pull it back? So your hand is now holding a bolt handle not 90 degrees to the direction of pull but 60 degrees? So the possibility that it could slip off if you need to pull hard with a sticky case? Ridiculous! What on earth advantage does that give in speed and ease of handling over a conventional Mauser action?

And it's far more complicated that just pulling straight back like on a Ross.

It is a lovely made rifle. The wood is good, I like the large magazine capacity too. But "flip-up" rearsight is a miss also waiting to happen.

Sooner or later a shooter will aim through the "ring" created by the cut out holes. Which do what? Just make the blade weaker!

you must be kiddin....wow, and I thought you just needed glasses.......

Direct pull back makes more ergo sense to me than cock out/lift then pull back.

The MannLicher M72 is an interesting unit, it has short boltlift/multiple lugs like a MkV, but has CRF and Blade Eject!