I guess I would try and find another position or wait for another shot. Shooting my 500 Jeffery from prone is asking for a broken collar bone ...

Chuck

No question about prone position absorbing all the recoil. When trophy hunting in the low forest you take what the forest allows. Shots are extremely close so the .500 Jeffery is in the environment that August Schuler designed it for.

I've never felt recoil or heard the shot go off when pressing trigger against game. In the low forest you are put to the test.

I have a 416 Rigby and a 500 Nitro,have had a 416 Rem and have shot a 458 Lott a bit.
The 416's and 458 are very similar in same weight rifles but stock fit then becomes very critical at these recoil levels.My 500 Searcy,at 12lbs and a well fitting stock is by far the most comfortable to shoot.My custom 9.3x66 with a tailor made stock is almost as easy to shoot as my factory 270.Stock fitting makes a huge difference.At 6'3" in height the factory stocks are all dreadful,the CZ 416 with older hogs back stock the best of a bad bunch.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:

I've never felt recoil or heard the shot go off when pressing trigger against game. In the low forest you are put to the test.

Sounds good, lets see the video of you putting rounds down range with a big bore in the prone! The recoil generated by the biggest (458 lott and larger) is heavy enough to do damage to the soft parts and even some of the hard parts if the body doesn't have the ability to move. I guess its better than firing with your back to a tree. Besides, if the forest is so low that you need to be in the prone rather than kneel, you probably won't see what your shooting at anyways.

I shot a warthog from prone with a No 1 in 416 Rem, I was more worried about the scope hitting me than the recoil. Everything went fine and I smoked the warthog, but I would be hesitant to do it again.

Hunting in the jess in Zim I shot a buffalo from a sitting position with a 470. I could take that all day long.

Felt recoil on my 416 Rem 400 gr at 2380 in a No. 1 is as much as my Lott with 500 grain bullet at 2220 in a MRC rifle/McMillan Supergrade stock. Both have a LOP of 15".

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:

I've never felt recoil or heard the shot go off when pressing trigger against game. In the low forest you are put to the test.

Sounds good, lets see the video of you putting rounds down range with a big bore in the prone! The recoil generated by the biggest (458 lott and larger) is heavy enough to do damage to the soft parts and even some of the hard parts if the body doesn't have the ability to move. I guess its better than firing with your back to a tree. Besides, if the forest is so low that you need to be in the prone rather than kneel, you probably won't see what your shooting at anyways.

Yes, you see what you are shooting at, that's why you are in the prone position to begin with.

Reference, John Taylor's African Rifles and Cartridges where he talks about Fletcher Jamieson shooting his .500 Jeffery from the prone position.

Here's your video

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:

I've never felt recoil or heard the shot go off when pressing trigger against game. In the low forest you are put to the test.

Sounds good, lets see the video of you putting rounds down range with a big bore in the prone! The recoil generated by the biggest (458 lott and larger) is heavy enough to do damage to the soft parts and even some of the hard parts if the body doesn't have the ability to move. I guess its better than firing with your back to a tree. Besides, if the forest is so low that you need to be in the prone rather than kneel, you probably won't see what your shooting at anyways.

John,
the 458 lott doesn't even BEGIN to be big recoil .. yes, its a step up from a 458win/416rigby ..

the 500 jeffe is a SERIOUS step up in recoil from the lott .. too many people have been stunned at the difference from 500gr at 230 and 535 at 2400 ... add in that the guns weigh the same and 40gr more powder to do it, it start makes sense, as its EFFECTLIVLY 575gtr at 2400 vs 2300 ...

Though, in all honesty, most people don't have the desire to learn to master the lott, much less the truely big bores ...

You don't "THINK" i am right? then why shoot the lott when the 460 is right there, too? Which, unbraked, is an entirely different animal than the lott ..

you are welcome to come and shoot some true big bores, if you ever come to houston .. i'll put some 550s, 500s, 505s, and 470s in your hands .. and even my dinky 458 AR ... and THEN, and not till then, will you understand what recoil and ejecta REALLy mean ... and that yes, 30 grains less powder to do the same thing is a GREAT idea, and kicks TONS less.

I LOVE shooting the biggies.
I would try shooting the big shove carts VS the big punch carts.

Mercury recoil reducers are quite the recoil softeners.

I would pick the cart of choice then tame the recoil with the multitude of recoil reduction methods.

And I don't know why more have not made a 550 Express. That is a fun cart to shoot!

I own the 458 Lott but would not mine haveing
some more know how About the 404 Jeffery.

Just being a newcomer to the whole big bore thing, I've slowly worked my way up to shooting 570g TSX's at 2300 fps out of my 500 Jeffery. I'm comfortable offhand or sitting (though you're not getting a quick second shot from the sitting position lol). I won't shoot it more than once from the bench without a lead sled, and I will NEVER shoot it prone.



It hurt me early shooting from the bench, without a lead sled or a shoulder pad and I've learned to respect "Baby" and we get along fine now, she's my favorite rifle to shoot offhand ...






Chuck

Holy s**t chuck how many rounds was THAT! I've been black&blue from 60 rounds out of my Lott in a day...but that looks like a bus accident!

You are not new to this, your true to this...Big Bores that is.

Chuck,
SLipped out of the pocket and you made "a noise" right? I don't bruise neverly that much, but i KNOW what that feels like ...
SHESH

I was real stupid, had just got the Jeffery and wanted to try some MAX loads. I shot 30 rounds from a bench that was too low and too far forward, so my body had nowhere to go, just absorbed all of the recoil. However it was nowhere as bad as being prone! I was trying some of the "Real Guns" loads and had the 535g Woodleighs over 2500 fps and the 570g TSX's up to 2400 fps using a bunch of IMR 4350.

http://www.realguns.com/archives/157.htm

It started hurting real bad and I only had eight shots left to chronograph so of course being incredibly stubborn I kept shooting till they were gone lol ... My wife made me go to the doctor and he asked me which end of the rifle had hurt me ...

I took two months off, bought a lead sled, went to H4895 and keep the velocity down to about 2300 fps with the 570g bullets and all is well. I got a mule deer doe at 225 yards with it in December off hand, and I shoot 20 rounds through it every other week. My son and I try and shoot soda cans at 100 yards offhand with our rifles (he shoots his 270) and sitting at 200 yards. It's good practice and a little family competition never hurts. Unfortunately I lose most of the time now ...



Chuck

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
John,
the 458 lott doesn't even BEGIN to be big recoil .. yes, its a step up from a 458win/416rigby ..

the 500 jeffe is a SERIOUS step up in recoil from the lott .. too many people have been stunned at the difference from 500gr at 230 and 535 at 2400 ... add in that the guns weigh the same and 40gr more powder to do it, it start makes sense, as its EFFECTLIVLY 575gtr at 2400 vs 2300 ...

Though, in all honesty, most people don't have the desire to learn to master the lott, much less the truely big bores ...

You don't "THINK" i am right? then why shoot the lott when the 460 is right there, too? Which, unbraked, is an entirely different animal than the lott ..

you are welcome to come and shoot some true big bores, if you ever come to houston .. i'll put some 550s, 500s, 505s, and 470s in your hands .. and even my dinky 458 AR ... and THEN, and not till then, will you understand what recoil and ejecta REALLy mean ... and that yes, 30 grains less powder to do the same thing is a GREAT idea, and kicks TONS less.

I do appreciate the offer, don't know if I'll make it to Houston anytime soon. Funding being what it has been, travel trips have been limited to hunting trips and family visits for the past year, this year doesn't look to be much better.

I am not sure if the 458 lott is granted big bore chest pounding rights, but I think that most would agree that at that level, improper technique damages the body, sometimes permanently. The 458 win is much more forgiving, and I don't mind shooting it sitting, but the lott is brutal when sitting, and I couldn't even imagine the prone.

I've had the pleasure to lob 460 Wby's down range in a Ruger #1, no brake. Not as bad as I thought, but enough to tenderize the meat in the shoulder.

A 500 Jeff at 2400 fps is one screaming load, I like it much better at 2200 fps or so. I think I'd rather go toe to toe with Mike Tyson than shoot 570's at 2400.

John,
the nominal load for the 500 jeffe is 535 at 2380-2400 ... 2700 is a screaming load ... 2500 is easy to do with mondern powders .. and ALL are a bunch more than at lott ..

which is my point ... a rigby is an ANYONE can learn to shoot .. a lott is a youHAVE to want to learn to shoot .. anything bigger requires true guts and determination, and mindcontrol .. except for shootaway, he doesn't mind his own outrageous flinching.

Hey fellas,

Out of curiosity, how do these big bores felt recoil compare to a 338 RUM? I get 3024 fps with the 250 gr PT out of my 9 lb M700 LSS with a scope.

JD338

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Originally posted by JD338:
Hey fellas,

Out of curiosity, how do these big bores felt recoil compare to a 338 RUM? I get 3024 fps with the 250 gr PT out of my 9 lb M700 LSS with a scope.

JD338

About 1/2 the recoil of a 500 Jeff

John

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
John,
the nominal load for the 500 jeffe is 535 at 2380-2400 ... 2700 is a screaming load ... 2500 is easy to do with mondern powders .. and ALL are a bunch more than at lott ..

which is my point ... a rigby is an ANYONE can learn to shoot .. a lott is a youHAVE to want to learn to shoot .. anything bigger requires true guts and determination, and mindcontrol .. except for shootaway, he doesn't mind his own outrageous flinching.

2400 with a 535 shouldn't be too bad, but somewhere you where talking about a 570 at 2400, to that I would say no thanks.

John

If you point of reference is a 458 lott, 500 gr at 2300, the 500 jeffe FEELs like 570 at 2400 -- the ejecta is added to the recoil, and is about +35-45 gr of powder .. 80gr is a big load in a lott, 126 aint a big load in the jeff ...

and its more than a "next stop" in recoil...

but, what I am saying is, if you haven't shot it, its hard to imagine the difference ...

ask ANYONE that went from lott to jeffe ... heh, don't ask forrest ... no, realy, all my cast loads are REALLY powder puff loads (sorry bubba, i THOUGHT i told you before you shot it.)

a rigby is a good lot of recoil .. it really is .. and is somewhat on the edge of what's still lots of fun to shoot ... i just them in deer stands !

Makes me think about the 500 AR
Classic 500 Jeffery performance in a smaller case, less powder and less recoil.
Was thinking about a revision version of it using the same length, neck, shoulder angle but Rigby brass. The 500 AR has the same shoulder angle but a longer neck right?
500 Jeffby lol

Absolutely boomstick, that's why I went to H4895 in my 500 Jeff. I get my 570g TSX's and hopefully my 570 A-Frames to 2300 fps with 105g of H4895 with a lot less recoil than 120g of IMR4350. But because of the cavernous Jeffrey case I have to be very careful of load density and I have taken jeffeosso's advice and gone to Federal 215 primers and seated my bullets deeper. The .495 A-Square and the 500 AR solve this problem with a smaller case volume.

Chuck

Even shooting the 500 AR in a light rig like a Ruger winmag conversion was not a problem for me in terms of recoil.

If you get a chance to shoot Jeffes 500 AR DO IT!!!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
If you point of reference is a 458 lott, 500 gr at 2300, the 500 jeffe FEELs like 570 at 2400 -- the ejecta is added to the recoil, and is about +35-45 gr of powder .. 80gr is a big load in a lott, 126 aint a big load in the jeff ...

and its more than a "next stop" in recoil...

but, what I am saying is, if you haven't shot it, its hard to imagine the difference ...

ask ANYONE that went from lott to jeffe ... heh, don't ask forrest ... no, realy, all my cast loads are REALLY powder puff loads (sorry bubba, i THOUGHT i told you before you shot it.)

a rigby is a good lot of recoil .. it really is .. and is somewhat on the edge of what's still lots of fun to shoot ... i just them in deer stands !

Now its starting to make sense. I think you must have come from the range before you typed that one, it was a bit hard to follow. As for the Rigby, in the RSM, I find it quite enjoyable to shoot. Of course I have the correct LOP and a good recoil pad. My everday load is 101 gr of RL22 in the Rigby, hot loads are about 103 gr of RL22. I am amazed on how much more powder it chomps than the 458 win. I am looking to a 500, probably will be the 495 or 500 A-Square because I'm into cheap brass.

John

The 500 AR negates the need for a rebated belted 495 A-2
A long neck 500 AR to 495 A2 length could be a nice rechamber job

jeffeosso,

Thanks from all of us for the effort. Good show.
Well done.

Buliwyf
thanks, its been fun .. its nearly the minimum for 535 at 2400 or 600gr at 2200 ... but there's no action that dictates it goes shorter to make 500NE loadings .. Michael458's 500BM does a great job, too. .. the reamer is sitting at McGowen if anyone needs one done ..