If there is one gun that I regret not getting its the 405 I passed up for $800.I missed an original one 10 years ago in Alaska for $700.I swear every time I read one of my Teddy Roosevelt books I have to have one.I shot one two years ago and I wanted to burn up a whole box of shells.I do wish it was a 416 Winchester so I could use the 350 gr speer bullets I have.I know its not a big thumper but Teddy Roosevelt was the most Awesome President that ever loved guns and hunting.He really liked it in Africa .I think it would be fine on moose a little small for my tate for grizzley but woiould do if it had to be done.Any other 406 shooters.Ruger made a #1 ,TC made the encore and Winchester the 1895.My favorite 405 is the only model 21 ever made in it.I would love a small frame double 405 .

congratulations, you have passed the entrance exam and are now a junior grade rifle loony!
I want a TD model so bad I can taste it. They just have that "cool" factor. It would make a great double rifle cartridge.

Rich
Buff Killer

i keep looking for a take-down, case colored 1 also.... just for the "kewl" factor....i passed on several in the $900 range, now found 1 for $1100... but its blue, non-takedown....

The only thing I am afraid of is they will quit making the 405 ammo again.I asked Hornady and they said as long as the demand was there they would.People are missing out by not shooting their 405s.With a decient pad instead of a steel butplate its is a big pussy cat .I really enjoyed shooting my friends.I keep trying to trade him out of it.I shot his 470 capstick that day and it was not fun to shoot.I shot my 416 Rem mag that day and its alot of fun to shoot to me.I think the 416 Rem mag is the limit of recoil I can take without a brake on the gun.The 1895 405 is a awesome combo but I probally would not shoot any of the big 5 with it.I would use my 416 Rem mag for that job.

It was 1960. I had just sold my three 4H hogs, and I walked into Sheaffer Bros Sporting Goods on Hanover St. in Carlisle. It was a beautiful September day. Youngsters could buy a gun back in those days. I had $60 dollars in my pocket to buy my first deer rifle. I had been looking at a 32 Special on the used rack for the past few weeks. When I went over to pick it up, there was a bigger heavier lever rifle beside it. The tag read, Winchester Model 95 405 Winchester, $43.95. That was $13.00 less than the Model 94. WOW! I can still see it and feel the cool of the steel, the warmth of the walnut stock, where the sun was hitting it. I left the store and ran back up the street to drag my Dad back down to see it and share my enthusiam.
He was a practical man. A product of the Depression and member of the Greatest Generation. With his practical approach he convinced my hopelessly romantic, lost soul that ammo was impossible to find, the gun was heavy, way too much for deer hunting, and way too big for my 4' 2' frame. I bought the 32, but gosh how I still long for that 405.
Like a I need one with 2 9.3's, a 375 and a 416! But my 12 year old heart still yearns for the first big bore I ever handled.
Bfly

Anybody who reads "African Game Trails" and doesn't want one has no soul. When I get one I'm gonna buy all the ammo and components I can afford and not worry if the stuff gets scarce. I'd be happy just to hold one and dream.

I can feel your pain, I passed on a Winchester high wall chambered in 405 a while back that went for $850 and I've been semi-kicking myself ever since. An yes, I am a rifle looney. I even have the hat to prove it.....
GWB

I just can't get the warm and fuzzies over the Win 1895 (and Yes TR was the best president ever). But I had a Ruger #1B rebarreled to .405 and it's a sweet cartridge. 400gr Woodleigh bullets at around 2,000fps, 300gr Barnes bullets at 2,200fps, 375gr cast bullets designed for the .416 sized to .412", 265gr WNGC cast bullets over Unique and of course the 300gr Hornady bullet used as intended. I even played with a .410 shotcup and #8 shot over a light charge of Unique but the rifling does horrible things to the pattern.

If I win the Lottery the first thing I'm doing is commissioning a small frame .405 double rifle with TR themed engraving.

I never really wanted one until I learned on AR that it could be loaded well above a 416 Remington and be completely safe. Thanks ScottS, you inspired me.

Seriously, my father has had a life long love of the rifle and cartridge. Seems this combo is one of those pieces that carry's a certain romance with it. Much like a Pre-64 in 375H&H.

It's definitely a nostalgia piece for me. They don't fit me well and I can't hit the broad side of a barn without a scope anymore. Still I'm getting the next decent looking one I can find for a reasonable price. I'll think of something to shoot with it later. It probably wouldn't be legal and I can't afford it anyway but I sure would like to shoot a lion with one someday. Probably have to settle for a pig though.

I finally learned why Mr. T R was so energetic... He drank 1 gallon of coffee a day, reportedly. I doubt it was decaf. Probably contributed to his early death at 57 along with all his other problems...

But he "made the most of life!"

Well I guess I am not the only one that wants a 405 either.My luck they will stop making the ammo.I heard you can make it from 30-40 krag if you have to.Its a fun gun to shoot.I think its in the middle of a 444 marlin and a 450 marlin.I had a 1895 Browning in 30-06 but it didnt get my goose.I never fired it .I even had the very hard to find scope mount a williams to fit it.I am wondering if one of those will fit the 405 1895.Yep it seems its a magical gun like the 256 what WDM Bell had.Yep I am limited to about 50 yards on deer with open site maybe 100 on moose but wouldnt it be fun to get one with a 405 winchester.

A .405 Winchester is cool, but why not go "all the way" and get one of these Ruger #1s in .450-400 Nitro Express 3 inch? That's what I did to sooth my current case of rifle loonie fever. Just finished loading my first handful of ammo. Turns out that you can find once fired Hornaday brass at affordable prices, but the bullets, including some for the .405 Winchester, are just plain expensive.

You can always shoot 41 mag pistol bullets in it.And you can use cast bullets too.I already have a 41 mag and the 210 Hornady xtp bullets about 1800-2200 would be lots of fun.I just wish it were 416 caliber I have tons of those bullets.I tried to get rid of all the different calibers I had.I did it for a while.I narrowed myself to .338 and .416.I had 12 338 win mags ,2 338-378 and 6 416 rem mags.Then I had to buy a 375 winchester another lever gun favorite of mine and a 375 jdj .The 375 jdj was been used on Elephants but I wouldnt try it.The 405 is just totally different in many ways.Its not a long range gun.Its not a hudge gun.Its just something totally different.

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I would love a small frame double 405 .

Like this one?



Martin

I would love for the 1895 to be increased in dimensions by 30% to take all kinds of rimmed rounds... like the 500 nitro!

I'm gonna hafta say that you still want a .405 Winchester only because you haven't thought about it long enough.

No I still want all kinds of screwy stuff that I've thought about for years. Don't ask me why I want it though or what I'll do with it when I get it.

I like the catridge and in a ENCORE Rifle it can become a 450/400 clone. Of course a Encore Rifle can do what no M1895 can and that is withstand 55Kpsi or more. I have one called the mini cannon and it a neat gun. -Rob

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Originally posted by Joe Miller:
I never really wanted one until I learned on AR that it could be loaded well above a 416 Remington and be completely safe. Thanks ScottS, you inspired me.

You can?
Sounds incredible! I have always understood it can achieve about the same as the 9,3x62 (plenty enough). Is this then more because of the old guns so chambered?

Schauckis
Joe's sense of humor is too dry for you

Schauckis,
You missed an era where some posters were trying to turn lever action rifles into elephant rifles with creative handloading.

Don't do a search it's too painful to read

Rick

You just have to understand that ANYTHING ScottS says is a lie or at best a complete distortion of the truth. Most everyone here knows that but new folks often dont figure it out till someone points it out. Lately he posted that he BULDGED the barrel of his new .458win Mag with over the top loads. We have challenged him to post some pics as we really dont believe a word he says. So far no Pics! -Rob

WHY ask WHY,
just get one and then wait for your next ilogical fansey to coem your way and get one or 2 of those too !
Why am I hankeing for a 300 savage when I already have 3 .308s.
I am not asking why , just trying to find one that is a worthy investment. ! ...tj3006

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I like the catridge and in a ENCORE Rifle it can become a 450/400 clone. Of course a Encore Rifle can do what no M1895 can and that is withstand 55Kpsi or more. I have one called the mini cannon and it a neat gun. -Rob

I like shooting ROb's 405 in his encore... and Remembering a heck of an exciting hunt with he and it!

Jeff you and Rob are full of it! My loads are right off of Hodgdon and within 50 fps of their results. I own an Encore in 405, which I doubt Rob actually does, and it exhibits almost twice the case stretch for any given load/velocity as a my Winchester M1895. Why don't you just stick to what you ACTUALLY have experience with and keep your mouth shut with regard to subjects you know nothing about.

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Jeff you and Rob are full of it! My loads are right off of Hodgdon and within 50 fps of their results. I own an Encore in 405, which I doubt Rob actually does, and it exhibits almost twice the case stretch for any given load/velocity as a my Winchester M1895. Why don't you just stick to what you ACTUALLY have experience with and keep your mouth shut with regard to subjects you know nothing about.

This pig


was mortally hit by this 405 encore -- lower left side of the pictures



as well as Rob Cleaned up this cull deer, with the same 405


I took the pictures..

hey, i had the same hat and green jacket on today, when i went to the range, with my 45/70 double rifle, my 45/120 self built double rifle, my 458 AR and my 470 AR .. and my crackhead bigbore-- a NEF 45/70 converted to 45/120

Poor ScottS- Smacked down again! Feeling kinda stupid huh! ScottS by the way, the Bird salute we are giving in the picture is for YOU! Your cases stretch because you dont know how to load for a Encore dumb ass. Mine dont strech at all after the first firing. There is a reason for that Scottypoo. I'm curious, you never mentioned in 9 years ever owning a Encore in .405 winchester. You know post some date stamped pics of you and the gun! Are we to believe your telling the truth? Not likely! You are THE AssClown remember!
If you are the real Scotts you once told me in a PM that you had a Drag Race car. What was the body, motor ET and MPH in the quarter? Just checking if its really you! Something smells fishy to me. -Rob

OK, so what's the secret to loading for an Encore, so the cases don't stretch? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Originally posted by xs headspace:
OK, so what's the secret to loading for an Encore, so the cases don't stretch? Inquiring minds want to know.

Zero Headspace!-Rob

I still enjoy my Z-HAT Custom Win. 95 405 WCF
more than any other gun I own.If I were limited to ONE gun for the reste of my life it would be my Teddy Gun!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Rick R:
Schauckis,
You missed an era where some posters were trying to turn lever action rifles into elephant rifles with creative handloading.

Don't do a search it's too painful to read

Rick

Don't I feel like a f**ng a**hole...

Schauckis,

I didn't mean to cause any insult. There were just a lot of posts on a lot of threads about hotrodding old cartridges with questionable reloading practices.

The usual response on an online forum is "do a search" in this case my response was "don't bother" because you've probably got better things to do with your time.

You were right, you can't do much with a .405 that you can't do with a 9.3x62.

The .405 winchester in an Encore with a throated chamber can equal the vaunted 450-400 with safe reloading practices( i.e 410gr bullet at 2150 fps). To gain case capacity the bullets are loaded out .25 inches in the specially throated chamber and pressures run to 55-60Kpsi. A new cannalure is added to the bullet for crimping. These cartridges will not even fit in a M1895. I did it just to show that it could be done and to have a simple take down gun which with two barrels, a .405 and a .270 could be put in a suitcase and be able to hunt anything on the planet!. The gun in the picture has fired hundreds of 410 gr woodleighs at 2150fps and shows no stress. Its been shot by quite a few AR members too! Its extremely accurate and very much fun to hunt with. The Engineers at TC confirmed that I was working well within the Encores safety envelope. The barrel was made by Virgin Valley( while they were still in buisness) as a blank and chambered by me. Its not a Drill Press special like most TC barrels are.
There were those like ScottS who SAID they were getting the same velocities and more from a M1895 win. running well over 65 KPSI. Of course it was never confirmed and was undoubtably another lie by the Assclown! Just another Lie that was publicly exposed by a number of posters here.
I've always liked the .405 win as I've always admired a man like President Rooseveldt particularily in comparison to whats in the Oval Office today!. M1895's are fun to shoot and I own originals as well as reproductions.-Rob

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Originally posted by dgr416:
If there is one gun that I regret not getting its the 405 I passed up for $800.I missed an original one 10 years ago in Alaska for $700.I swear every time I read one of my Teddy Roosevelt books I have to have one.I shot one two years ago and I wanted to burn up a whole box of shells.I do wish it was a 416 Winchester so I could use the 350 gr speer bullets I have.I know its not a big thumper but Teddy Roosevelt was the most Awesome President that ever loved guns and hunting.He really liked it in Africa .I think it would be fine on moose a little small for my tate for grizzley but woiould do if it had to be done.Any other 406 shooters.Ruger made a #1 ,TC made the encore and Winchester the 1895.My favorite 405 is the only model 21 ever made in it.I would love a small frame double 405 .

Every time I think hard on a 405 Winchester, I talk myself out of it. But I'm drawn back time and time again. Maybe I'll have an old Enfield sporter rebarreled to it and either get it in or out of my system one way or the other!

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If you are the real Scotts you once told me in a PM that you had a Drag Race car. What was the body, motor ET and MPH in the quarter? Just checking if its really you!

Rob, it was a Dodge Roadrunner with a 426 Hemi. Ran the 1/4 mile in 9.5 secs! So there you now know it is me!

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Rob, it was a Dodge Roadrunner with a 426 Hemi. Ran the 1/4 mile in 9.5 secs! So there you now know it is me!

You stupid lying bastard, the Road Runner was a Plymouth!

Lying piece of shit! It was a Buick you claimed before! you said you did a sub 7. Didnt believe you then and certainly not now, You cant even keep your own lies straight! Moron! My street legal Viper will run 9's, its a dodge! lets see the print outs asshole!-Rob

I wound up with two of the 1895 Repros. My dealer had ordered two one standard and one high grade. I bought the standard then the siren call of the high grade got to me, went back the next day and got it, one of the prettiest rifles I have. I just had one of the Lyman #38 repro sights installed a few months ago on the standard.

This is a good and important thread - I especially like the last turns of the discussion that significantly contribute to the original topic.