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After seeing Toms 600 OK ,ive been corrupted into wanting one of these ,ive found a donor 416 Rigby cz550, just have some questions 1.what is the ideal barrel twist for a 600 ok. i believe Lothar Walther make a 600 barrel so would probably use one of them. 2.where do i get cases for it ? does jamieson make them ? 3.what mods need to be made to the magazine ? 4.does anyone stock reamers for them ? any other help or advice would be good,2000 fps will be the fastest it will go for me Thanks | ||
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I would send PM to Robgunbuilder (Rob Garnick - the inventor of the round) and Bitterroot (Wayne Jacobson of American Hunting Rifles) who has built quite a few of these behemoths. I am sure that they will be able to point you in the right direction. Good luck, Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I think most of us used Pac-Nor for our barrels at least thats what Rob, I and most of the folks early on used. I have a couple .620 barrels here and would be willing to part with one. PM me if you're interested. It might save you a few bucks and a few months, unless one of the manufactures happens to have one in stock. PM me if you're interested. The origional cases came from Hornerber but there may be others making them now. Get ahold of Neil @ custom brass and bullets, he goes by RNS on the bords here he may have some in stock. You will deffinately need some mag work and some rail modification. If you are not experenced doing that work send it out. American Hunting Rifles (AHR) deffinately has the most experence building the 600. There are probably a few reamers out there but not many. Rob may be able to point you in the right direction. I would bet that AHR has one. CCMDoc has it right Rob is who can give you the most help. He's one of the good guys and has always been helpfull to me and many others. Good luck with your project. The 600 is a great creation it can be mild or wild. It's all up to you. | |||
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fritz454 is being modest as far as his own knowledge and input into bringing the 600OK to fruition. If you don't want that barrel, I'll take it. My brass is Jamison and I got it through AHR. I believe that is what Neil carries as well. Good luck - Rob's brainchild has taken off and has a life of it's own. We have all enjoyed the fruits of his labor. As fritz454 says - he is one of the good guys - I speak from persoanl experience with Rob an his better half. Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I concur with the above postings regarding Rob and Wayne at AHR. Both of them are top notch individuals and I value their knowledge and wisdom regarding large bore shooting. Wayne builds superb rifles at great value and workmanship with a short build time as compared to many other builders. He built a 375 H&H on a Granite Mountain action in a six month time period. (Took him 4 months to get the action from GMA) Met Rob and went and shot his 600OK and 12 GAFH in Vegas this last summer. Hoping to see him over the Thanksgiving holidays. There seems to be a lot of opinions (And lots of BS) in the gun world, and on the AR forums. These guys are knowledgable and I will be planning to have Wayne build a 600OK as well as a Alaskan bear rifle in the near future. | |||
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Tankhunter- Well a .600Ok would certainly help you live up to the full potential of your AR name! The .600Ok flat performs and my first one was in fact built on a CZ550 .416 Rigby donor action. I also suggest you simply send cash to AHR and wait patiently till you too get a surprise pkg in the mail. Everybody says they will only shoot 2000fps loads but you know deep in your heart that just isnt so. Welcome to the bruised but happy group of .600OK owners.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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2,435fps with 900gr 2,675fps with your 730 grainer  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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hey Rob, do you know if anybody has comissioned one in Australia ? We really haven't got access to large PH actions here, but if you can squeeze on into a CZ then there is a chance..... I don't know about my end, I'd need to get a letter and case drawings off to Australian Firearms registry for approval, but what do you think the chances of getting a chambered barrel out here are ...... regards S&F | |||
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shortandfat.- you buy the barrel and I'll short chamber it for you. Dont know why it would be a problem in OZ. I have the paperwork from the BATF in the US demonstrating its a sporting cartridge not a DD. You can build a .600OK on a Enfield P1917 with 1914 bolt, a CZ 602 or CZ550 etc.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob thankyou, a most generous offer. Today I managed to locate i believe an old Winchester 1917, not an Enfield or is it the same thing. Does that sound right. I have sent an email to Penny at PACNOR to see if she is happy for me to get a barrel made and contoured sent to you. Pacnor don't send to individual buyers in Australia anymore, things have got tuff at your end, they require an additional $300 or $400 export permit and documentation for orders over $100 however person to person is still OK as far as I know. I still need to check with Australian Firearm Registry to see if they are happy with the .620 cal, seems anything over .500 scares people today even here. Plan is to build it as a single shot with open sights. So no action, magazine or floor plate work initially just open the bolt face. Muzzle break added. Heavy piece of timber, not beautiful but practical, wrist pin, cross bolted and second recoil lug added and bedded. Take it to a few Big bore shoots and let people get smashed by it while I film it. load one shot into it like Saeed's 577 Trex and let people "feel the power".....so it only needs to be a single shot. Then at a later stage, when the wallet has a bit more money in it...open the mag well on the stock up and the action, new mag box and feed work done. Firstly though.......I need to find out if I can get a chambered barrel, dies and cases into Australia. I did with jeffe's 500 AccRel regards Joe aka S&F | |||
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More like 'export tax'.  Rob, Explain why a P14 bolt is required? Bolt diameter M17/P14 is exactly the same, only difference is the shape of the left side bolt lug. When the bolt face is opened ... does the M17 bolt give less support to the case head or something? Cheers... Con | |||
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its easier to hold a huge round on the 14bolt, as you are going to actually be using the EARS ... just like a trex opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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winchester model 1917 is an enfield pattern rifle opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Use smaller words ... I must be having a blonde day! What are you refering to as EARS. The left lug? Cheers... Con | |||
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the lugs on the 14 bolt can be opened "wider (no, not really, but) than a 17 bolt, and can hold the casehead better ... <i think> opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Okay ... I think I understand ... but for everyone's education I'll drop off a P14 and M17 bolt to S&F today ... he can post photos of them side by side and you guys can explain how it gives better case head support. This question has intrigued me for quite awhile. Cheers... Con | |||
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OK guys Here's a picture of both the 17 & 14 bolts  Now I think the reason you guys say the 14 bolt is better is because the right hand lug on the 17 Bolt tapers off way too much and is smaller Am I correct there ? Outside diameter of both bolts is approx .690 so there is room for the 600 OK case regards S&F | |||
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Yes, the extra steel on the right lug is why the P14 bolts are used for big builds. One question I have and hope someone here will post the answer; why is the P14 extractor preferred of the P17? | |||
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The picture shows it all. The P14 bolt will have enough metal on it after its opened up so that the case head has something to hold it in place against the extractor opposite it. Make sense now? I learned this little piece of info the hard way about 20 yrs ago. I found its a little easier to reshape the P14 extractor than the 1917 for a .600OK. Thats another part of the .600Ok build thats actually pretty important.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob, That's almost a DOH! moment. I get it now and that makes perfect sense! Cheers... Con | |||
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I think i will just take Robs advice and get AHR to make me one ,just a matter of finding out whether they will let it into Australia .Id love to see how a 600 ok performs on scrub bulls buffalo etc | |||
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The 600 OK is a great cartridge. The guns are super to shoot. How the hell did I end up with 3 of them???? | |||
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Bigdoggy, Three is an odd number. I think four sounds better. Just wait, you will have Tom's latest one before long. HA!! | |||
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Wayne, Beware of someone who casts his lead practice bullets in empty beer cans. Can you say "one bore"??? Bigdoggy has some serious penis issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |||
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Hey Jon, my penis is just fine, but thanks for thinking of him. Ha Ha Ha | |||
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Jon, better be careful, don't you own a 600 and a 700 too ???? | |||
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Was informed today, my approval to import a 600 OK barrel was accepted So getting a 600 OK in Australia, is almost a reality Rob, Fritz454 will be sending one of his barrels to you for chambering Gents I'm going to need some advise here. Dies - 600 OK, who has them Cases/Brass - I have a permit for 25 Cases. Jeffe tells me his buddy Neil can supply these Head space gauge - I only need a GO gauge or maybe an old case with the head and belt only Thanx in advance gents Here's the action I'm going to use. It's an OLD Remington M17, the bolt has been changed over to a P14 with the M17 extractor. It's had a fair bit of work done to it already, I do have the safety it's just not on for the photo    regards Joe aka S*F | |||
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G'Day S&F, Great news on the permit and barrel!!! I got my brass through AHR and bought dies directly from CH4D http://www.ch4d.com/. This is beginning to sound like a broken record but Rob did a FANTASTIC job in designing the .600 Overkill and I heartily recommend it for anyone interested in a cartridge that will perform mildly to INSANE levels of power. No doubt you've perused this thread: http://forums.accuratereloadin...871052201#7871052201 I found it pretty straight forward to shoehorn the Big 6 into an Enfield. One change I've done since the post above is that the mag box is now welded to the bottom metal. With the box loose, it was wacking the bottom metal hard enough to cause the floorplate to eject. Eventually it broke the rear latch. Now that it's welded in place, the floorplate has not "bombs away" since. It looks like your action window has been opened to the rear. Good. The standard opening is a little too short for ease of filling the mag and although good at the bench (no lost brass) can interfere with ejection. Good luck on your project! | |||
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I forgot to add - just grind the original follower flat. In some thread, Jeffe said he just used a belt sander and that worked for me. The plastic U-grooved follower I made wasn't necessary and actually limited the box to one down. It fed slick but so does a plain flat follower. | |||
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S&F- I have one of the original .600Ok barrels here thats long chambered for the .600OK and threaded for a CZ550 or 602 action. You sure you want to do an Enfield? They require square threads and a extractor cut. Thats alot of tricky work. Your miles ahead buying my barrel and trading the Enfield in on a CZ550 or 602. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Damn Rob, now you have thrown a spanner into the cogs That was my original plan...... But Actually Rob, I'm committed now, the enfield it will have to be. Unless I can find a cheap CZ in the next 2 or 3 days I picked up the action as you see with a little bit of work done to it already for $250 Australian, thats about $220 US, So it hasn't cost me a lot YET I told Fritz454 I'd take his barrel, but it will need profiling......and trimming, it's huge I've had a quick meassage from Jeffe and he might be able to do me a favour on the stock, if I'm a nice guy.. Thanks anyway Rob | |||
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So are you paying me soon?  Cheers... Con | |||
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SaF, Rob's way would certainly be the easiest and CZ are not too expensive and have been prooven performers for the 600 OK. If you want to go a different way there will be no hard feeling on my end. The goal is to get as many people shoohting this wonderful creation as possible. So whatever you decide is fine with me. | |||
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I can't speak for S&F ... but we have both mulled this over. Over here ... a CZ in 416Rigby is a minimum of $1300 (S/H) or $1500 new. The Enfield at $250 can have $1000 spent on it before it's even on par with the CZ cost wise. A beater stock for the Enfield is already here ... a new stock will be maybe another few hundred to get ready. If he goes the CZ route ... it'll be expensive because I'll talk him into a very nice complete rifle, where the Enfield at this stage is a 'shits and giggles' rifle which will be singleshot at first and then altered later for a single stack magazine. Either way, it's his call and we've both gone from one side to the other, arguing the merits of both. Mind you ... I reckon that's the best part about a bigbore build. Cheers... Con PS: I think I volunteered as 'crash test dummy' for getting the open sights regulated.  | |||
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Con, I freely admit that I have almost no knowledge of the Ausltailan gun market. My point was to let SAF know that should he change his mind and decide to go a different route I would harbor no ill will to him for changing his mind to I deal he confirmed to me via email. No matter what directon he decides to take I will welcome him to the 600 OK owners club and help in any way I can. | |||
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fritz, Understand perfectly and I wasn't taking a shot at you. Prices here went crazy when the AUD collapsed, we're now back at AUD 90c to the US $1 and are awaiting prices to drop. Mind you the CZ's in my opnion where the least affected ... new Ruger's went from $780 to $1200. Locally ... you want to see crazy ... ex-mil stuff (SMLE's in particular) is going through the roof! http://usedguns.com.au/used_gu...new.html#whats%20new Cheers... Con | |||
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Nooooo, make him sweat it out S&F  .Paz 458AR & 500AR owner (yes it is done  )12GFH in the pipeline(but not a real one, just a "mini one"!! The single shot on fine and beautiful lines built by a master craftsman is indeed a gentleman's piece... Colonel Townsend Whelen | |||
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I would not want to be sitting on a big bank account filled with any currency these days. Fortunately, thats never been a problem for me. If it were, I would dump all my cash into stuff, anything real. I heared the $AU was strong, that should favor imports in austraila, guess one cannot believe all the hear on TV news. Con, If you had an ounce of gold, you could buy that Ruger. | |||
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