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Not enough straight line penetration compared to the FPS.

I have used the Lee sizer dies to Reduce .268" Carcano bullets as much as is needed to fit 6.5x54 M/S bores (which are all over the place). Those work so sweetly and accurately, and they are inexpensive.

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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct the thinking of GSC.


It will take more than that...


 
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Anyone used the "CUP POINT" bullets on Elephant?
What's the thought on this?


North Fork has recommended against it.

465H&H


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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct set the thinking of GSC back about 12 years.
Fixed it for you RIP.
 
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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct set the thinking of GSC back about 12 years.
Fixed it for you RIP.


Well Gerard.
I must admit that I ordered .510" dia bullets and got .512" dia.... AND that they are quite difficult to chamber in the (standard) .511" freebore... Confused Frowner
Thats why I gave you the barrel dimensions (.510"/.500") and freeboredia (.511") before ordering... Sad - but I cannot / will not use them for hunting when they impede slick chambering... Frowner Frowner Frowner
 
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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct set the thinking of GSC back about 12 years.
Fixed it for you RIP.


Well Gerard.
I must admit that I ordered .510" dia bullets and got .512" dia.... AND that they are quite difficult to chamber in the (standard) .511" freebore... Confused Frowner
Thats why I gave you the barrel dimensions (.510"/.500") and freeboredia (.511") before ordering... Sad - but I cannot / will not use them for hunting when they impede slick chambering... Frowner Frowner Frowner


Yes. Sad.
But they can be used if seated only as deeply as possible. That .512" first band goes into the plus-tolerance-neck length and neck-chamfer area of the chamber.
Then the bands are sized from .512" to .511" as they pass through the PS-free-bore,
then they are sized down to .510" by the time they get to the end of the leade in the throat.
No options on seating depth but that.

Thinking is like that of using cast lead bullets that are +.001" or +.002" over groove size.

I will try to get used to this new way of thinking about monometal copper, drive-banded bullet sizing,
properly done only when the bullet is fired.
 
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Isn't it interesting - GSC runs +.002" of groove diameter while Barnes typically runs -.001" to -.002" of groove diameter. Certainly is nice when you run into modern CNC monometal bullets that are held to a +/-.0005" or less tolerance.


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Isn't it interesting - GSC runs +.002" of groove diameter while Barnes typically runs -.001" to -.002" of groove diameter. Certainly is nice when you run into modern CNC monometal bullets that are held to a +/-.0005" or less tolerance.


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Tried some CUP POINTS the other day from my 470 and found that they shoot well with 2grns less powder than my standard WOODLEIGH load.
 
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Tried some CUP POINTS the other day from my 470 and found that they shoot well with 2grns less powder than my standard WOODLEIGH load.
Very good. I've not used either bullet yet but understand the CPS and FPS should take same powder charge and shoot to the same POA/POI. Good luck...


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Tried some CUP POINTS the other day from my 470 and found that they shoot well with 2grns less powder than my standard WOODLEIGH load.
Very good. I've not used either bullet yet but understand the CPS and FPS should take same powder charge and shoot to the same POA/POI. Good luck...



They have for me from my Searcy 470.

465H&H
 
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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct set the thinking of GSC back about 12 years.
Fixed it for you RIP.


Well Gerard.
I must admit that I ordered .510" dia bullets and got .512" dia.... AND that they are quite difficult to chamber in the (standard) .511" freebore... Confused Frowner
Thats why I gave you the barrel dimensions (.510"/.500") and freeboredia (.511") before ordering... Sad - but I cannot / will not use them for hunting when they impede slick chambering... Frowner Frowner Frowner



I sometimes wonder if we are still talking about hunting bullets.

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Tried some CUP POINTS the other day from my 470 and found that they shoot well with 2grns less powder than my standard WOODLEIGH load.
Very good. I've not used either bullet yet but understand the CPS and FPS should take same powder charge and shoot to the same POA/POI. Good luck...



They have for me from my Searcy 470.

465H&H


Do you mean Woodleigh softs or solids? I load 106gr IMR 4831 under the Woodleigh softs, and 104gr under the solids now. I am about to start experimenting with North Forks in my 470, and am just looking for a preview.
 
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Do you mean Woodleigh softs or solids? I load 106gr IMR 4831 under the Woodleigh softs, and 104gr under the solids now. I am about to start experimenting with North Forks in my 470, and am just looking for a preview.


My standard load is 94grns of AR2209 with filler (sold in the USA as Hogden powder) behind Woodleigh Softs and FMJ's.
 
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Tried some CUP POINTS the other day from my 470 and found that they shoot well with 2grns less powder than my standard WOODLEIGH load.
Very good. I've not used either bullet yet but understand the CPS and FPS should take same powder charge and shoot to the same POA/POI. Good luck...



They have for me from my Searcy 470.

465H&H


Do you mean Woodleigh softs or solids? I load 106gr IMR 4831 under the Woodleigh softs, and 104gr under the solids now. I am about to start experimenting with North Forks in my 470, and am just looking for a preview.


In both my 465 and 470 doubles all bullets I listed plus the CEB#13 shoot to 2" groups at 50 yards with the same powder charge. 110 grains of H-4831 or 106 grains of IMR-4831.

465H&H
 
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That hole through the .510" Lee sizer is precise enough to correct set the thinking of GSC back about 12 years.
Fixed it for you RIP.


Well Gerard.
I must admit that I ordered .510" dia bullets and got .512" dia.... AND that they are quite difficult to chamber in the (standard) .511" freebore... Confused Frowner
Thats why I gave you the barrel dimensions (.510"/.500") and freeboredia (.511") before ordering... Sad - but I cannot / will not use them for hunting when they impede slick chambering... Frowner Frowner Frowner


Hmmm...no response?


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