Does anyone have any experience with the German made "Shorty". It is a bull pup with a pistol grip which you cycle as the pump. It has a 26.5" barrel in a 33" package, detachable magazine and is available in 375H&H and 416 Rem Mag. Believe it or not it is a CRF. Pictures can be seen at http://www.hermannsguns.com/Rifles/SoShorty/SoShortymain.html.

I have one in 300 Win Mag and am thinking of rebarrelling to 375 Ultra.

Has anyone used one. Any problems with misfires or feeding.

regards,

mike

I've got a buddy with one in .30-06, parts (the proper scope mounts and magazines) are awfully hard to come by, no function problems other then it is totally different then any other rifle system out there. If you were going to use if for dangerous game you might want to put your other rifles up for a few months before the trip.

I think I am going to faint.

Well, that's interesting. I'd think that putting your face so close to the muzzle blast would not be a good idea. I had a .308 with an 18" bbl and that was enough for me. I can't imagine the concussion from a big bore being that close to my eyes and ears - likely disconcerting. Bullpups are good for some things, but I don't see them being practical for magnum hunting calibers. Handy, sure, but maybe not as good as the 'normal' configuration.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
I think I am going to faint.

i am sure 404 jeffery is not far behind

Boomstick, RIP,et al,

The first 395 needs to be on a unique platform...and I think we have just found it.
Quick! somebody, throw a bucket of cold water on Dan, I think we're losing him!
I can die happy, I have now seen it all.
Wow!


Rich
DRSS

Didn't Reinald Von Meurers use one of these Sommer Ockenfuss "Shortys" sucessfully in the jungles of Cameroon for a while? Or was it some other well known Cameroon hunter?

i'll be happy to shoot it but who would smith it

id love one in a lott

makes you long for the african lever action threads dont it...

A 338 Lupua launching bullets that close to your face. A bit too much of a good thing. I wonder if we can get Joe from Real Guns to test one?

Wasn't this picture supposed to be posted on the "Ugliest Big Bore Ever" thread?

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Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
Wasn't this picture supposed to be posted on the "Ugliest Big Bore Ever" thread?

i thought the same thing

but looking at that abomonation again i thought the other won out. this one wins the "buck rogers" award though

damn dirt apes...

Gotta love the schnable forend on it. It kind of gives it that "classy" look! LOL!

I wonder if they make them in 375 Ruger?

Rich
DRSS

I can't believe it. I have now actually heard a dumber idea than BS's .395 idea.

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
I can't believe it. I have now actually heard a dumber idea than BS's .395 idea.

i'd want mine to have a 46" barrel and a mannlicher stock. w/ yeller dots

keep it up and it is likely to cause the lead time for my barreling job to grow exponentially. just a word to wise, do with it as you wish

From looking at the website, you better take your finger out of the trigger guard immediately if you want to chamber another round. Any quick action might hurt that trigger finger.

I ordered mine while I was in hospital after a motorbike accident as I thought I'd be doing a lot of hunting from the SUV. his turned out to be a good idea.

On the plus side it is accurate - 2.5" groups at 250 yards, has a reasonable amount of power (150gn bullets at 3300fps from the 300 Win Mag) and offers quick second, third and fourth shots - important if you are disabled and have trouble following up wounded game. the recoil is well controlled as it comes straight back and, with a break is about the same as a 243.

Another advantage is that if you fit a sling with a double strap it can be carried back pack style. Another method of carry, again with a double strap is to place the sling over your head and let the rifle hang down on your right side, holding the pistol grip in your hand. It can then just be swung up and fired without removing the sling.

he down sides are that it is ugly as anything I've seen, the balance point is at the pistol grip and there are lots of sharp edges so one handed carrying is uncomfortable and the detachable box magazine is not easy to insert or remove.

Extraction power is limited - the chamber is slightly fluted at the shoulder area to make it easier.

It is a joy to use from the car window and offers reasonable firepower for culling pigs and goats. Semi autos are not legal in Australia.

I'd really like to get it rechambered/barrelled into a big game round rather than its current varmint calibre. It would be a great talking point in an African camp.

Not that I'd actually want to use it on DG, or even PG. I cannot see a picture on my trophy room wall with me, a leopard and a piece of plastic, aluminium and steel in a strange shape.

Funnily enough, if I just want to plink or muck around shooting 300 yard rocks, it's usually the "Shorty" that I get out of the safe.

mike

If I had to choose between a Blaser and Shorty, I'd actually go with a Shorty!

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Originally posted by ErikD:
If I had to choose between a Blaser and Shorty, I'd actually go with a Shorty!

If I had to choose between a Blaser and Shorty, I'd quit shooting!

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
keep it up and it is likely to cause the lead time for my barreling job to grow exponentially. just a word to wise, do with it as you wish

all in good fun there marc

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
I can't believe it. I have now actually heard a dumber idea than BS's .395 idea.

Probably not the best way to communicate with someone who has offered free gunsmithing services.

Does Herman the German still sell these in Australia.........as I heard they are not even made any more ??

It came in .458 win mag as well if I recall correctly.

marc_stokeld, aka PWT

I have been waiting and watching for you to try and weasel out on the deal. About every third post you set a new standard for chichenshite. We all pretty much know you crawfished pretty quick and far on the bet you offered when I tried to take you up on it...as we say here in Idaho "...all hat and no cattle...".

regards,

Rich
DRSS

oh wow...

think i can do one is 470 AR ?

it's a pig pumping gun...

no, wait, that didn't come out right...

Idaho Sharpshooter-

Once again, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I don't even know who is doing the talking. I have asked you more than once who and where you are, and it has always been met with silence. I am making every post with my real name and real location. I moved last week and promptly changed my location in my profile.

I do not know what a "chichenshite" is, and have no idea why you wrote "aka PWT" after you wrote my name. Just as an aside, I do find it interesting that you always put the underscore in my name. I used to be registered as "Marc Stokeld", but could never get logged back in when Saeed had the format change a couple of years ago. So in order to keep my real name showing, I used the underscore.

I have never renigged, or even tried to renig, on what I said I would do for free. I spelled it out in very clear detail when all of this started. I laid out the conditions required for me to donate time and then clearly defined exactly what I would do for no charge to anyone.

Even on this post, I never said I would not do it. I did say, quite literally at th etime I might add, that if people flipped me off it would cause their free work to get pushed farther down the pipeline. BS came back and said he was joking so then it was all cool.

I am not really sure why you have a burr under your saddle when it comes to me donating work to the hair-brained project, but I really wish you would find another way to occupy your time. If you absolutely must continue to make derogatory statements towards me, I wish you would at least be gentlemanly enough to PM them to me and not air your dirty laundry in this public forum.

To everyone else, I appologize for being in the middle of this mudslinging.


Marc Stokeld
Cloquet, MN

Not any kind of a problem marc. Just abstain from any rude comments about my man boomie and I'll take the saddle off your back.

Things like hare-brained (note: it hare-brained as in reference to the rabbit in Alice in Wonderland, not hair), or stupid, etc really rub me the wrong way. If somebody here wants to come up with a caliber to fill a perceived gap, it does not require your consent, or approval to proceed. If I may be blunt, nobody heare cares if you live or die, let alone your opinion of rifle calibers. Sorry, but that's how it is.
Boomie is a bit of a dreamer, but so are most of the top 5%, intelligence-wise, of the world. They call them research scientists. They get the means to do their dreaming/research usually in the form of government grants. They dream up some pretty hare-brained stuff, like penicillin, glipizide, and organ transplant rejection suppression medications.
Back to the AR forum. Specifically, there is the 2nd largest gap in boltguns between the .375's and the .411-.416's. The biggest one is the space between .510 and .577, but Neal Shirley has dealt with that thru his dream of a .550" and guess what? Them dummies at CZ are so hare-brained that they are offering rifles chambered for his "dream"...come true. And, they didn't even clear it with you first!! Impudent dreamers! So, Boomie asks why, and you feel the need to quash this notion...except RIP takes off with it, proposes three separate power level parent cases...and Pac-Nor and McGowen are going to make barrels... I got an action sitting here pending the deal, and you graciously offered to do the metal work. I thank you for that. But you keep trying to kill the joy of this whole adventure with snide remarks. You simply come across as the grinch that is trying to steal Christmas...and that ain't a'gonna happen and me stay mum on the subject.
So, I suggest that if you can't stand the heat, stay out of this kitchen. You can still come out here as one of the major players in building the first .395X, or be quiet if you have concerns or misgivings, or be a divisive element. The outcome is inevitable, the guns(s) will get built, just get in line or go stand on the curb...out of the route of the parade.

regards,

Rich
DRSS
'nuttin personal at all, Boomstick is just my good AR friend

heare-brain

sorry couldnt resist

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Originally posted by 500grains:
I think I am going to faint.

At least you'd never have to worry about someone stealing it.