Medium loads on left, max loads on right.

Samual Baker was a big guy at 6' 8" tall and nearly 400 lbs. Using 600 grains of black powder will push a 3500 grain bullet to about 1500 ft/sec. That is 17,500 ft lbs of energy and generates about 740 ft lbs of recoil with a 20# rifle. No wonder it spun him around and he had a nose bleed!!

Bigdogy,actually us "lighter"guys fair better as we "roll with the recoil"vrs standing there absorbing it.For example,Ken Owens,our 4 bore and 600 double rifle builder is 6ft and 140 pds and he regulates all these cannons himself!He has shot up to 20 rounds at a regulation test!...IF I ever get my 2 bore,I will work up the loads from 1000fps to whatever(1400?) and after all,I dont shoot these a whole lot anyway.
PS."I Ain't Scade"

Maybe a 6" thick sorbethane Beignet could be fitted?? OR! Maybe the whole buttstock could be sorbethane!!!

I didn't see this video posted to the thread.

3500gr bullet / 500gr powder


Hell, if that guy can shoot it you can Safarikid!



--Tinker

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Originally posted by a.tinkerer:
I didn't see this video posted to the thread.

3500gr bullet / 500gr powder


Hell, if that guy can shoot it you can Safarikid!



--Tinker

SAFARIKID, would laugh that off!! You'll have to cut the rifle weight in half to get him interested!

I'm not positive but the last time I was in Clayton Nelsons shop I THINK he had a couple of 2 bore barrels but they MAY have been 4 Bore. He builds a nice single shot action.

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Yes,I would like a True 2 Bore Breechloader to hurl those 3500 grain Projectiles!I would want it to have a 20" Octagon Barrel with Express Sights and Killer Wood,maybe Case Hardned Receiver and not to weigh over 20 pounds...Now,where do I start?

In all seriousness, try Martini & Hagn. They make their own action. Ask them to make one SAFARIKID size!!

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Originally posted by zimbabwe:
I'm not positive but the last time I was in Clayton Nelsons shop I THINK he had a couple of 2 bore barrels but they MAY have been 4 Bore. He builds a nice single shot action.

I have handled one of Clayton's 600 nitros, One hell of a nice big beefy rifle!

Someday soon I'm going to buy a wire EDM machine for making complete actions. Then watch out! I know what you like! It will not be cheap! It will not be quick! But It will work!-Rob

And the answer to the question is.......Clayton Nelson. If hes up to it now or you are up to the wait that is a different question. Clayton can certainly to the work.
Steve

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Someday soon I'm going to buy a wire EDM machine for making complete actions. Then watch out! I know what you like! It will not be cheap! It will not be quick! But It will work!-Rob

I will be waiting Rob!...Will also check the web for Clayton...

Oh, boy!

Well, Rob, if you want to plan ahead, you might want to think about a 1 bore. SAFARIKID was not dissuaded by the 600, nor the 4 bore. He now seeks a 2 bore, and that can only mean the 1 bore will not be far behind.

What kind of velocity do you think you can get a pound of lead up to?

There is a gentleman at Action Castings who goes by "Smoke" and he is developing a single shot action that is supposed to be able to take up to 20mm. If anyone would like his contact info (I am not affiliated with him in any way) let me know.

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Originally posted by viperidae:
There is a gentleman at Action Castings who goes by "Smoke" and he is developing a single shot action that is supposed to be able to take up to 20mm. If anyone would like his contact info (I am not affiliated with him in any way) let me know.

Please tell me how to get ahold
of him. Maybe his will do for 4bore
and be cost less than a Borchardt.Ed

ME Teaux!

I am posting this information due to the multiple requests I have received for it.

Here is the contact info for "Smoke" and the potentially 20mm capable action from Action Castings. From my communication with "Smoke" he seems to be in the very early stages of developing this action. But, that being said he is the only one I am aware of currently taking on such a task. The more interest he gets the better that chance of it materializing. I have no affiliation with "Smoke" but he did as I spread his contact info:

http://www.actioncastings.us/
smoke@actioncastings.us

Was Mr. Smoke's Webmaster kidnapped by Bigfoot some time ago...??

If I'm not mistaken, the 4 bore in these pictures was built by Clayton Nelson. Also, while I haven't seen it personally, the owner of the 4 bore had several stories about its 2 bore mate owned by one of his friends. As I recall they got as far as 3500 grains at 1750.

3500 grain bullet at 1750 ft/sec = over 23,000 ft.lbs of energy. Must be pretty stout recoil!

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
3500 grain bullet at 1750 ft/sec = over 23,000 ft.lbs of energy. Must be pretty stout recoil!

Charge Weight: 500 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 1750.0 ft/s
Firearm Weight: 30.0 lbs
Bullet Weight: 3500 gr

Recoil Velocity: 40.4 ft/s
Recoil Energy: 759.3 ft•lbs
Recoil Impulse: 37.6 lb•s

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Originally posted by Macifej:

quote:

Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
3500 grain bullet at 1750 ft/sec = over 23,000 ft.lbs of energy. Must be pretty stout recoil!

Charge Weight: 500 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 1750.0 ft/s
Firearm Weight: 30.0 lbs
Bullet Weight: 3500 gr

Recoil Velocity: 40.4 ft/s
Recoil Energy: 759.3 ft•lbs
Recoil Impulse: 37.6 lb•s

Mac,I think I'm getting a "woody"! (Just kidding,I like my Retinas attached....No Thankyou!)

Has anything happened following the talk a year or so ago about making a Wicklffe 76 type action large enough for the 4 bore?

Macifej,

I do not know very many people that can handle 300 ft.lbs of recoil, let alone 759 ft.lbs of recoil. I shoot a lot of really big stuff and have for along time, and have even been hurt a couple of times, but 760 ft.lbs is rediculous.

quote:

but 760 ft.lbs is rediculous

That was my point....

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Originally posted by Mike Scott:
Has anything happened following the talk a year or so ago about making a Wicklffe 76 type action large enough for the 4 bore?

heck, did those get done as is?

The wickliffe action is a POOR DESIGN for a big kicker

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Originally posted by hubel458:
Please tell me how to get ahold
of him. Maybe his will do for 4bore
and be cost less than a Borchardt.Ed

What does a Borchardt action cost these days and whom sells them ??

You can do anything on these yes ??

We are still working on scaling up a
Wickcliff to do bigger cases. Got
to set up more equipment.
Al Story at Borchardt Rifle makes his
for about 3 grand.That's one like Rob did
the 12GA FH in.
The one our friend Cannon holds above I
think is Kent Lamonts.Nice gun.Ed

going thru some of my cards and remembered this post.

You might try this guy too.

Reto Buehler
PO box 4096
Medford OR, 97501
rbrifle@earthlink.net

Reto can build one now if he wants to is another story!!!

Ed

Email in route!

bigdoggy, how has recoil hurt you other than when your pistol came unglued on you?

Tyler,

other than the 460 weatherby hand gun episode, I have not been hurt by any recoil. An occasional nicked knuckle on my trigger finger from the trigger guard, but thats it. I have never had eye problems and except for a a slightly bruised shoulder now and then after a lot of shooting, no other injuries at all.

Tyler - BigDog had sorbethane implants in his shoulders. He looks like Don Johnson with those big shoulder suits from the 80's...

Just reading about the recoil is unbelievable- makes me want to take a couple flexeril and chase them with a glass of bourbon. R.

I pulled sporting clays for a big black guy named Don Johnson yesterday...who is that, the name sounds familiar.

SAFARIKID- YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE TILL YOU DO A 12GAFH FIRST! JUST THINK OF THE PAIN!-Rob