Is 458 brass going to become more difficult to find now that it has been discontinued?

do what?
winchester is macking this a seasonal run, hornady makes it every day, and lots of other people make it..

not to mention the thousands of guns in it.

I think you assumption is flawed

You should be able to find plenty out of this last Winchester run. I picked up about 400 with no problem. If Midway, etc. are out give Dave at Buffalo Arms a call. He had plenty last time I checked.

Tom

If you live somewhere like Australia, locating unprimed brass has definately become more difficult then in the past. Having said that Norma still produces it regularly, and you could shorten 375H&H brass ... or just do what I'm doing and get a 458AR built because 300RUM brass is plentiful .
Cheers...
Con

I think some guns are even still being made. Remington was claiming to import the "798" in 458 win.

Just curious,does anyone reload these cases? I found the primer pockets to be really loose after just one firing.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Just curious,does anyone reload these cases? I found the primer pockets to be really loose after just one firing.

thats because you have no clue what you are doing. expanded primer pockets means you are SERIOUSLY over pressure

so what

I bought so much of the 510gr sp's that I don't think I'll run out of brass anytime soon

Are the loose primer pockts a result of a higher instant pressure or a preesure exerted over a longer period of time because of the 500 grain bullet? Doesn't one experience loose primer pockets with larger calibers?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
so what

wear your helmet, son, you'll need it...

complaining of results when you have no clue you are doing is a sign of ignorance. Being informed and taking no corrective action is willful negligence.

If you hurt someone else by your actions, after being warned, you are liable.

Don't complain of your own actions as someone else's fault.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Are the loose primer pockts a result of a higher instant pressure or a preesure exerted over a longer period of time because of the 500 grain bullet? Doesn't one experience loose primer pockets with larger calibers?

Only when seriously over pressure.

shoo thataway, you are WAY WAY WAY over pressure. Now, LISTEN UP, you are making mistakes and ARE going to hurt people, including yourself.

STOP LOADING BULLETS AND LEARN .. and NEVER give reloading advice, as you are seriously past all safety margins.

Your amazingly reckless actions clouds EVERYTHING you post, and you are seriously at the edge of what one can do and LIVE

5 reloads, MINIMUM son, FIVE .. if you can't get FIVE you are going to pierce a primer, blow it, blow up a gun, and./or hurt someone.

What a load of marketing crap.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Are the loose primer pockts a result of a higher instant pressure or a preesure exerted over a longer period of time because of the 500 grain bullet? Doesn't one experience loose primer pockets with larger calibers?

As long as you do not exceed the yield strength of the brass it will hold the pressure forever.
If your primer pockets are loose after one shot you are exceeding the yield strength of the brass. That means YOU are causing it by overloading it. Read more.

Where have I been? WHO is discontinuing the 458 WM?

Then why do I get NO loose primer pockets on cases that have severe high pressure signs in my 300WM and 270WSM? Signs such as shiny marks on the head along with ejector marks,sticky bolts and cases that will no longer fit in the chamber or reloading die.The 458 wm cases show no sign of high pressure and the bolt opens with ease.Velocities are also the same as those published in reloading manuals.

it means you are over pressure.

now, SHUT UP and load 5 grains lighter and see if you get the same problem.

keeping your insistance on "being right" means you will keep "being right" until you pop a case, rupture a primer and cause injury,

which do you wish to be? "right" or whole?

in other words, son, don't be an idiot

Shootaway,

I've got no dog in this hunt ... just commenting because this REALLY is a safety issue. I have been reloading for 40+ years and am still here to comment on life, love, and the pursuit of happiness.

Loose primer pockets is a very strong sign of significant over pressure!!!!!

Doesn't matter how your loads compare to loading manuals or other published data.

If you're seeing loose primer pockets after a single firing ... you're running WAY too hot in your rifle!!!!!!

Reminds me of something my dad used to say ...

There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots ... but there are no old, bold pilots." He retired as a Command Pilot with more than 22,000 flight hours in military aircraft.

Ignore the Troll. He cannot possibly be for real. DrC

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Just curious,does anyone reload these cases? I found the primer pockets to be really loose after just one firing.

And you are not concerned about why?

Shootaway, dude read a couple of reloading manuals.

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Originally posted by canam:
Is 458 brass going to become more difficult to find now that it has been discontinued?

Hornady basic belted brass makes great .458 Lott brass and it's just a few more cranks of the trimmer handle away from being .458 Winchester brass.

hth

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Originally posted by shootaway:
so what

So what the rifle can blow up in your face you friggin' MORON. Then again, it might keep you from procreating. jorge

I'm surprised ya'll havent put Shootaway on your ignore lists. I thought everyone did once they read a few of his posts

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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
I'm surprised ya'll havent put Shootaway on your ignore lists. I thought everyone did once they read a few of his posts

Yea, but this is a serious, serious sfety issue!!!

Shootaway,

I load the 458wm. I load it to kill elephants. It kills elephants with loads that last ten or more reloadings. I chuck the brass after ten to be safe, but its got more life really, with my very successful elephant loads. If you are experiencing loose primer pockets at all, and certainly after just one loading, STOP!!!

Go get the right manuals and they will provide loads that will do all you ever need without any issues or potentially hurting yourself or others.

Really!! I'm not kidding and the other guys aren't either!!!

JPK

The vocabulary and sentence structure are very reminiscent of our ol pal ScottS/Judy/A/ axel/ ToddE and oh so many more. Oh yes he went a way for a while. A word to the wise.-Rob

what RGB said...

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

A little common sense and some obsevation will go a long way to preserve his life if he cares at all. That way we can continue having a good time blasting this dude.

All shooting manuals are strickly guides to get started and they do warn about working loads up slowly and with caution. What is a mild load in one gun can be dangerously over pressure in another. That's why magazines always post a disclaimer, "published loads are only safe in the authors gun" work loads up slowly with caution.

Then again there are folks that should call ahead to reserve the range for themselves and the rest of us stay home that day for safty sake.

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Originally posted by JPK:

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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
I'm surprised ya'll havent put Shootaway on your ignore lists. I thought everyone did once they read a few of his posts

Yea, but this is a serious, serious sfety issue!!!

Shootaway,

I load the 458wm. I load it to kill elephants. It kills elephants with loads that last ten or more reloadings. I chuck the brass after ten to be safe, but its got more life really, with my very successful elephant loads. If you are experiencing loose primer pockets at all, and certainly after just one loading, STOP!!!

Go get the right manuals and they will provide loads that will do all you ever need without any issues or potentially hurting yourself or others.

Really!! I'm not kidding and the other guys aren't either!!!

JPK

You say you know about reloading the 458 but when it came to shooting the ele you MISSED the brain!

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
The vocabulary and sentence structure are very reminiscent of our ol pal ScottS/Judy/A/ axel/ ToddE and oh so many more. Oh yes he went a way for a while. A word to the wise.-Rob

Did you build your rifle yet? If so what caliber?

I would like a SERIUOS answer on primer pockets from big bore cartridges.

stop using a drill to remove the primer.
greg

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Originally posted by greghud:
stop using a drill to remove the primer.
greg

...or go back to using Large Rifle primers...

Mark

Shootaway-Are you really that stupid? A bunch of marketing crap huh? Interesting. Please, I beg of you, use 5 more grains in a case. See what happens. A loose primer pockets is caused by excessive pressure within the case, causing the case head and primer pocket to expand. Simple physics.
Here's a simple test that you can do by yourself, and you'll find yourself amazed. Take a plain water bottle and drill a hole into the cap, ensuring the cap is tightly screwed on and there is a little water left in the bottle. Tap a air hose into the cap and turn on the air pressure. Notice something? The bottle expands! WOW! Same thing with a cartridge case you damn idiot!
Now if you keep on loading to the pressure you are achieving, you're going to end up a bloody mess. Common sense son, everyone's told you that so far. And if you think we're just playing, take my advice above and load up 5 more grains and hopefully you won't procreate anymore.

I was thinking of duplexing that load. But then you probably shouldn't do that. It might be unsafe. HO-HO-HO. Packy

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would like a SERIUOS answer on primer pockets from big bore cartridges.

I think you've had many of these. You just seem to want to ignore them. Care to share your load information that is giving you these results?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would like a SERIUOS answer on primer pockets from big bore cartridges.

Fine - Paul Mauser -- lost an eye to gas escape. If you are lucky, that's all that is going to happen to you.

the 460 weatherby operates at 65,000PSI, and can be reloaded SEVERAL times... same for the lott, and I shoot alot of winmag, lott, and 458 AR.

my brass generally lasts 7-10 shots, and if i anneal them, even longer.

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY OVER PRESSURE.

warning
ID-10-T failure warning.

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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
I'm surprised ya'll havent put Shootaway on your ignore lists. I thought everyone did once they read a few of his posts

I understand in this case there is a SERIOUS safety issue.. But.....

I had him on ignore for awhile. Then I started noticing some of the replies to him and had to take him off ignore.. This guy is just TRUELY entertaining...

Shootaway, there are times when you will see virtually no pressure signs and still be WELL over SAAMI pressures... This is one of the signs that lets you know for FACT that you are WAY over pressure... Back down the charge!!!!

Ken....

What this dingbat doesn't realize is that with a continuous barrage of over pressure loads also leads to metal fatigue. He can continue to spout out of the pumpkin on his shoulders until his smoke pole fails and he ruptures his pumpkin. I seriously doubt he evan shoots a big bore let alone own one. The bad part about it is when pumpkin head finally does have a rupture and it sends him to the happy land it will give the rest of us a black eye.

What a load of crap,olcrap. My loads are around 2150 fps which is normal for a 458 win mag.Winchesters supreme safari ammunition has the 500gr Nosler solid at 2240 fps!!! It would be interesting to see if those have loose primer pockets.

Can you guys not see that Mr. Shoo-thataway is obviously a fraud. There is no way ANYBODY could be this STUPID and still be alive.

He is a major ass troll and is simply pulling your collective legs.