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Originally posted by Mike70560:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I loostened the forearm screw andI think its finally starting to settle down.Here are the five last shots I will fire before I put it away for my hunt in August. .........The barrel will shoot-out

First a comment:

Before a trip to Africa I would rather be absolutely certain than I "think its finally starting to settle down". Africa is a long way to find out about trouble.


Now a question:

I have been shooting my 416 remington every weekend and will continue to do so until I leave for my Selous Buf hunt in September. I will probably run 500 rounds through it before I go with about 10% being Woodleigh Solids. I also have a 458 Lott ordered and intend to shoot the heck out of it for a possible 2010 elephant trip. Should I worry about the barrel life? The only barrel I ever shot out was a 223 with nearly 10,000 rounds and it still shot fine but the throat was becoming extremely long.

I know this is a little hijack but shootaways comments got my attention.

Mike,I have shot out a bunch of rifles.I know when a barrel stopped grouping at 100yds and at 200yds for the calibers I owned.This knowledge came from experience and a desire to learn the most I could from my rifles.The CZ Lott stopped grouping at around 200 rounds.It reached the point were it could not get on paper.It was much easier to group with softer bullets like the A-frame and more difficult with the TSX and more so with the Woodleigh FMJ and at a certain point, impossible with the Bronze Barnes banded solids.This said I don't think your rifle will remain accurate for 500 rounds.Also,ask yourself why are you practicing? Is it to improve your hold? To get used to cycling the bolt? To see if you could handle the recoil? If your hold is strong,your rifle is accurate and you could cycle the bolt well then why should you continue ruining barrels for nothing and taking the punishment of the recoil?

Special Olympics Big Bore Rifle Training Techniques as pioneered by shootaway.
When they add that sport to Special Olympics, shootawry can be a one-man team and coach himself too.

Only one scope ring allowed per rifle.
Snowmobile helmets must be worn by all competitors.
Drool buckets optional.

20 strokes with JB paste after each shot is required cleaning technique for Special Olympics. Very boring to watch at the competition. Seems to take forever ... but it slows them down enough to minimize damage to themselves and bystanders, inside and outside of the competition range grounds.

Interesting.......

CZ Lott stopped grouping at 200 rounds...500 rounds of big bore rounds and the barrel is shot out????

For an "expert" you are interesting for sure

John

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Though I continue to have you on "ignore" (therefore feel free to not respond), based upon the posts of others in response to you, I feel compelled to ask

Are you related to:
Ass-Clown/Axel/judy/ScottS/ ToddE/Poseur/AHR500?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The barrel will shoot-out.I am an expert.I will not be attempting the high shoulder shot on buff.Thanks silwane

BULL SHIT!!!

I do not claim to be an expert. This is my first trip to Africa. The only (semi) big bores I currently own are a .375 H & H and my 416. 500 rounds prior to my trip my be a little high, but I will certainly shoot more than 300. The more I shoot I find the recoil is becoming very manageable. I seldom shoot on the bench, mostly different position and sticks, scopes and irons, and testing different loads. It does not take long to run several hundred round in preparation. The largest round from personal experience I have to compare to is my 30-338. I fired over 1500 200 grain bullets at 2975MV and it was still a sub MOA 1000 yard rifle (I shoot NRA Highpower). So should I worry about my rifle going bad after several hundered rounds of mostly softs? Shootaway defnitely thinks so. What are other people 's experience with this many rounds. BTW I am working my way up, MRC will have my Lott ready within 4 weeks, and I am keeping my eye open for left hand Ruger 7MM to build a .500 AR. Maybe one day I can be an expert.

Seriously ,I am no expert,and far from being a full time shooter.My oppinion on shooting at the range come from my honest experience.It is obvious that many do not agree with my observations.Mike,all I can say is that we do not agree on the barrel life of rifles.

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Originally posted by silwane:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The barrel will shoot-out.I am an expert.I will not be attempting the high shoulder shot on buff.Thanks silwane

BULL SHIT!!!

No bullshit when I say I will not be attempting that shot.

Jeezuz shootaway! You think you are going to shoot out a barrel in a couple of months and that practicing and getting proficient with the rifle is a waste of time?

You ought to be shooting that fucking thing every day, in various off-hand positions, off shooting sticks in various stances/angles. You should be practicing high speed drills etc...

I am baffled.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Seriously ,I am no expert,and far from being a full time shooter.My oppinion on shooting at the range come from my honest experience.It is obvious that many do not agree with my observations.Mike,all I can say is that we do not agree on the barrel life of rifles.

True confession time for the shooting ballerina?

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Originally posted by Demonical:
I am baffled.

If you had been following his posts long enough you would not be baffled.

More than one renowned gunsmith has told me the easiest way to wear out a barrel is by over cleaning. I use a one piece aluminum cleaning rod with a bore guide. I clean the rifles after every shooting session but only wire brush it 3 strokes, then use cleaning patches. At the end of the year I use Hoppe's bench rest cleaner to get the copper out (mainly by soaking). I have over 5000 rounds through a 270 barrel and it's still shooting nickel sized 3 shot groups at 100 yards. Most of the shooting was done in the first 5 years in Montana (varmint shooting using 90g Sierra HPBTs with light loads of IMR 3031 at 3300 fps).

In my opinion, anyone shooting out a modern barrel after a couple of hundred rounds is doing something terribly wrong.

Chuck

I feel I practiced enough.I work 7 days a week and I sometimes feel burned out.Like now.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
More than one renowned gunsmith has told me the easiest way to wear out a barrel is by over cleaning. I use a one piece aluminum cleaning rod with a bore guide. I clean the rifles after every shooting session but only wire brush it 3 strokes, then use cleaning patches. At the end of the year I use Hoppe's bench rest cleaner to get the copper out (mainly by soaking). I have over 5000 rounds through a 270 barrel and it's still shooting nickel sized 3 shot groups at 100 yards. Most of the shooting was done in the first 5 years in Montana (varmint shooting using 90g Sierra HPBTs with light loads of IMR 3031 at 3300 fps).

In my opinion, anyone shooting out a modern barrel after a couple of hundred rounds is doing something terribly wrong.

Chuck

I didn't have time to clean the barrel before my 270WSM shot out.This caliber is the KING of barrel burners.

My shooting ability was nourished bit by bit over many years instead of overnight.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I didn't have time to clean the barrel before my 270WSM shot out.This caliber is the KING of barrel burners.

I'm pretty sure my 338-378 Wby is burned out. I mean I haven't been able to get it to group under a half inch after the first 50 or so rounds . Course it has never grouped less then a half inch but it has grouped right at an inch since the day I bought it over 300 rounds ago .

HA HA HA, I do soooo enjoy reading shoo that away posts. It's almost as entertaining as the political forum .

Ken....

To the new guys on this site. DO NOT BELIEVE a thing Mr Shitthisaway says.

I've got one .375H&H with over 3,000 rounds through it. She still shoots under an inch. If in fact Mr. Shitinhisway even owns a rifle and it stopped shooting at 200 rounds it is because it is cooper fouled due to over pressure hand loads and disimmular metal mixing to the point of being a smooth bore.

I've owned 4 different .458Lotts one of which now has nearly 1,000 rounds through it and it still shoots lights out all day every day. My current user .458Lott is based on an MRC action and it has nearly 200 round through it and of COURSE it still shoots just fine.

One word of warning about MRC actions however. MRC is using cheap firing pin springs mine collapsed after about 200 rounds. I sent the rifle back to Jim Brockman, the builder. He told me he's had multiple MRC actioned rifles coming back with collapsed springs. GET those MRC actions respringed with a quality firing pin spring before you take your rifle to Africa.

And of course mine quit shooting on my hunt in Zim this year... Go figure.

At least I still had my "worn out" over 3,000 round .375H&H to shoot which killed my buff with one shot.

Once again people if you are new to AR don't listen to this prick Shootaway he is a phony and liar and from all indications mentally retarded.

SURE,whatever you say.

With regarding the out-shot bore in the Ruger magnums, My EXPERT experience has found using the Outer Bore Foam after the third shots will greatly affect bore rifleing. So watch that carefully.

You know I have given Shootaway a hard time here on many occasions, even went as far as to post a picture of him (that was subsequently deleted, understandable ) all because.....well....he is full of shit!.

This is a true story...today my credit card company called me and said that someone was trying to transfer a card balance to one of my cards...this person was claiming to be me, had my SS# and knew my mothers maiden name, full deal. It seemed fishy to the CC company as I have never transferred balances so they called me. The number the person used that was trying to defraud me was a Montreal number...... Shootaway is from Montreal.....So I wonder is shootaway smarter than we think??

Did shootaway stalk me online and get my info to pay me back for the, what I thought, was a very flattering picture??

Is shootaway the head of an organized crime ring that lives on Molson beer and knocks off so many people with 458 Lotts that they burn thier barrels out on a monthly basis??

Perhaps shootaways upcoming buffalo hunt is a euphemism for a trip to the lower 48 to assasinate Surestrike, Charles Helm and a few of us others???

Makes me wonder

He promised to come see some of us (Jorge, me, I can't remember who else) at the Dallas Safari Club show after calling us fakers, but then decided he would go to Reno instead?

It has been a little boring lately, where are Shootaway and Jeffe? Since I have not seen them posting lately I wonder if Jeffe and Shootaway are the same person.

Here I am a half hour ago at the range after work.458WMfull loadsoffhandCZ100yds

Were you able to hit the broadside of that big barn in the clip?

It's Saturday night again, time for another beer and some freshly caught seckled trout that was given to me by a friend.That CZ action Martini worked on SURE is smooth.It feeds great with round nose bullets but not with pointed ones.I should have sent him more dummy rds.He SURE polished up that feed ramp and those rails.That bolt handle is also a big plus.One thing I notice when shooting my big bores is that as the rifling erodes,the rds hit lower on paper.The next time I shoot I would like to chrono these rds and see if velocity at the muzzle dropped also. Jim Manion,I don't see a barn in the vid or did I see one at all.

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Shootaway,
an honest question, if you have worn your barrels in a few hundred (less?) rounds, why do other .458's see years of use without that wear?

Barrels just don't wear that fast from shooting...!

I know guys with 50 year old pre-64 mod 70 and FN .458's that still work and shoot extremely well, no major barrel wear and a lot more shots fired that a couple hundred.

Why do you believe that the barrel wears so fast?

The last thing in the world I want to do is pay for a new barrel for nothing.I know when they wear out.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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Where's the beer?

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I challenge Shootaway to a barrels/ballistics trivia contest!
I'll give him a handicap for every year he is older than me...

A sample question for your Mr. Shootaway, how long does the average 22 Long Rifle barrel last, as long as those dastardly rifling-eroding Stingers aren't used?

Tyler Kemp,I never shot a 22,so I wouldn't know.I would expect it to last a lomg time.

Whitworth,I drank the beer afterwards.

I have the CZ 550 American Safari 458 Lott. It has a

Laminated Stock, Two cross bolts, Three sights

that can be fliped up to use. I put a Burris

Safari 1 3/4 X 5 X 30 Scope on it. It weights

about 10.5 Lbs. Has 74 Ft Lb of recoil. It is

one Great Rifle.

Ok, how long would you expect the milder 458 Win Mag's barrel to last? You sound like you get rebarrels quite often, do you mind if I take those burnt out ones off your hands?

It goes for about 50 rds before the point of impact drops at 100yds.It's still good afterward but it's at its best for the first 50 shots.