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What some of you can't seem to grasp, is that Perry is not good for Texas,

Sir, you ever hear the story about the bear attack? Where the fellow tells the other he can't out run the bear and the other just laughs and says don't have to...just gotta outrun you.

Well Perry is the same...he may not be the BEST...but he is better than the other choice.

And either Rick Perry or Bill White will be TX governor. In that race...my vote goes to Ricky!

Simple as that sir!!!

I would be happy to trade Gov's. with you. We get Perry you get Granholm. Deal?

I hope you will continue your enjoyment of "Slick" Rick and his politics, and take full comfort in the fact that my vote is going to be wasted, whomever I decide to vote for, but you can damn well bet, it ain't gonna be Rick Perry, and if he does end up losing, I will be just as happy to vote his successor out of office when his term is up.

Clem, I think if you knew a little more about Mr. Hair Do and his politics you would be less likely to trade.

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Does anyone in half way a right mind think that McCain and Palin would have done any better?

Count me in as 1 that does! Or at least appoint more conservative judges and NOT screw up health care.

I am fairly certain we wouldn't have gotten TWO liberal SCOTUSi .. nor lefty admins and forced appointments..

so, yeah, i think they would have --

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Does anyone in half way a right mind think that McCain and Palin would have done any better?

You're stupid if you don't think it would have been better.

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Originally posted by Will:

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Originally posted by Rae59:
He will have my vote in November.
Succeed!

Make that Secede.

Thanks for catching that Will. In my haste to post, I forgot to spell check.

SECEDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I am fairly certain we wouldn't have gotten TWO liberal SCOTUSi .. nor lefty admins and forced appointments..

so, yeah, i think they would have --

I KNOW we would not have gotten two wacked out liberals.
Gentleman, the big picture is to bring the United States down to the rest of the world's level. In another 10-15 years we will have open borders similiar to what I have heard and read about in Europe. The borders have already been moved in 15 miles here in Texas. Just look at where the INS check points are now.
Back to the original point, Rick Perry and the republican part platform IS PRO-GUN. The democrat party platform is anti-gun.
Keep it up independants, you are still responsible for B.O. in the whitehouse.

Y'all should spend more time in the political forum
The best way to secure our freedom is to get rid of career politicians, get people elected outside the power structure and replace often. The false dichotomy of left vs right is just a tool to keep the power of the oligarchy in place.
The lesser of two evils keeps evil in business.

Good Post Boom Stick and that is the point I have been trying to make.

We keep electing the same old dog and pony shows over and over again, and then fall back on this "Lock Step-Party Line BS."

For some of you half cracked mind readers out there stuff this up your poot chutes.

I did vote for McCain and palin, but only because Palin was brought onto the ticket.

McCain is a democrat in waiting.

It wasn't the independents that got Obama elected it was narrow minded/close minded republicans that sat on their collective asses and let their party tell them there was nothing to worry about.

The democrats did a better job of packaging and selling their candidate to the masses, which if anyone with half an active brain cell functioning, knows does not contain a whole lot of republican supporters.

Apathy and arrogance on the part of the main stream republican Party is what got Obama elected, that and the total inability to put together a ticket that that would have went on the attack like the Dems did.

Too many of you folks want to point fingers and find people to blame because you ain't got the guts or nuts to accept the fact that the democrats did a better job than the republicans, PERIOD.

I will say that I firmly believe this: There are patriotic AMERICANS, and then there are Democrats.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
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The lesser of two evils keeps evil in business.

BUT

it is inevitably the LESS of two evils

Which

IS a STEP in the right (no pun intended) direction.

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I remember one certain democrat that did a lot to put Texas on the map, even though hwe was one of the most crooked politicians that ever held office, Lyndon Baines Johnson.

LBJ was most likely on of the WORST Presidents this country has ever had unless you just love welfare, hiring quotas and gun control! In my book he ranks a place in HELL right next to FDR!!

Who cares what he brought to Texas, that's what we call PORK. The President has to do what is right for the WHOLE COUNTRY not his home state!

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I will say that I firmly believe this: There are patriotic AMERICANS, and then there are Democrats.

And I will have to agree with you!


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Only problem with your analogy JTEX, is that Rick Perry is NOT our President, he just wants to be.

He needs to be worrying about Texas, not his believed national image.

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We keep electing the same old dog and pony shows over and over again, and then fall back on this "Lock Step-Party Line BS."

READ MY LIPS: Vote-in-the-primarys!!!

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LBJ was most likely on of the WORST Presidents this country has ever had unless you just love welfare, hiring quotas and gun control! In my book he ranks a place in HELL right next to FDR!!

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Rick Perry is NOT our President, he just wants to be.

And...he'll get another vote from me!

95% of our politicians are whores. As long as you use the two party system to get elected you are owned by the power oligarchy of international bankers, the trillionaires and the power elite. We need to get people elected outside of the system to blow the whistle on these corrupt politicians and vote for the people who elected them not the powerful who "selected" them. It takes decades of being a loyal slave to the masters to get into positions of power on coveted committees. We need to stop this practice of corrupt career politicians being the ones who get to make the real important policy decisions in Washington.
So as I said. The lesser of two evils keeps the evil in business or maybe the lesser of two evils has the same master and it is not the people who voted.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
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The lesser of two evils keeps evil in business.

BUT

it is inevitably the LESS of two evils

Which

IS a STEP in the right (no pun intended) direction.

BoomStick,

You and I may agree on career politicians.

I had plainly stated my dislike of Perry's current behavior.

I would love to CLEAN house-

but THAT is NOT on the BALLOT.

AND

I will not -NOT VOTE.


IT IS SIMPLE-

I will do the best I can within

the CURRENT parameters.

And in TEXAS this fall-

The choices are already decided.


SO, YES my LOGICAL choice is

the LESSER of two evils.

I can only work toward and hope others do also

for BETTER choices in the future.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
BoomStick,

You and I may agree on career politicians.

I had plainly stated my dislike of Perry's current behavior.

I would love to CLEAN house-

but THAT is NOT on the BALLOT.

AND

I will not -NOT VOTE.


IT IS SIMPLE-

I will do the best I can within

the CURRENT parameters.

And in TEXAS this fall-

The choices are already decided.


SO, YES my LOGICAL choice is

the LESSER of two evils.

I can only work toward and hope others do also

for BETTER choices in the future.

+1, my sentiments exactly!

New rules!
1) Term limits; 2
2) NO PENSION!

Represent your constituents for up to two terms then go home and get a job.

Yes. No aristocracy benefits to public servants.
As long as the general public thinks there is no alternative there will be no alternative. That political perception is the enemy. If we show we have no principals in who we vote for the politicians we elect won't have any either. The "Wasted vote" lie is one we have had to swallow too often. Fool me once, fool me twice, we have been fooled many times. I am done with supporting the machine. Elect those at local levels outside of the power structure for a ground up change. Ever wonder why no politician has balls? Because we elect cowards. Simple as that. We are too scared to vote for what we perceive as a weaker candidate but one who is gutsy enough to stand up for the Constitution and this country. Career politicians are like welfare recipients who will do whatever it takes to keep those benefits coming as to shield themselves from the real world. We only waste our vote by sending cowards and whores to represent us.

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Originally posted by eezridr:
New rules!
1) Term limits; 2
2) NO PENSION!

Represent your constituents for up to two terms then go home and get a job.

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--- but one who is gutsy enough to stand up for the Constitution and this country.

Mr. White Ain't that guy

Oh and I've ALWAYS taken the time to mark each vote, read each proposed change

I HAVE NEVER VOTED STRAIGHT TICKET by pulling a single lever or making a single mark.


You want a viable alternative to the"2 party system"

GET the FUNDS raised to run a REAL candidate--

because it takes REAL MONEY.

And even then it may not be enough--

just ask Ross Perot

I was not talking about any specific candidate but in general. I am glad the 460 Wby macho round does not scare Mr Perry. Maybe we should invite him to a DRSS BBA shoot

He'd come if he thought it would be good press.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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--- but one who is gutsy enough to stand up for the Constitution and this country.

Mr. White Ain't that guy

Oh and I've ALWAYS taken the time to mark each vote, read each proposed change

I HAVE NEVER VOTED STRAIGHT TICKET by pulling a single lever or making a single mark.


You want a viable alternative to the"2 party system"

GET the FUNDS raised to run a REAL candidate--

because it takes REAL MONEY.

And even then it may not be enough--

just ask Ross Perot

DB,
I also have never voted a straight ticket by marking the Republican box. I go through and read each and every name and proposition and then vote each box. On two occasions I refused to vote for either cadidate for office because the Republican was a scheister and the democtrat was a democrat........who would support his party platform as usual. But I always end up voting for a republican in the end.

Just to remind everyone, The govenor of Texas actually has very little power over the executive branch. He basically has the "bully pulpit" and veto power. This was done by design of the state constitution after the reconstruction era in Texas (when the worthless yankee carpet baggers came to plunder the south and southwest). The lack of a govenor's power was even stated in Dolph Briscoe's biography on page 204-205. He also mentions later, he voted for George McGovern by the way. (another democrat)
As far as Ross Perot, everyone seems to forget that he went to the Republicans AND the democrats just before he dropped out of the race. I am quite certain it was to see who would offer the most $$$$$$$$ to get him out of the way.
As someone mentioned LBJ earlier, here is someting that is not widely known. A company by the name of Brown & Root (now KBR) and another construction co. from San Antonio, Tx. were contracted during the Vietnam war to build roads and air fields for the military, in Vietnam, under the Johnson administration. The parent company of Brown & Root was/is none other than Hallibuton! Halliburton bought Brown & Root in 1962. Go to KBR.com-about us-history and check out the purchase date. Halliburton was on the scene with the military way before Bush and Cheney came along. Was it a bad thing? I don't know.
The point I am trying to make is this: Big business is just that, big business. As long as there is a free economy there will be money inserted into the decision making of politicians, right or wrong.....................
And a politician who knows it will automatically be his/her last term in office because of "term limits" will have absolutely nothing to lose. He/she will sell out to the highest bidder MORE than ever before.

As a senator from New York said; "We do have term limits, it's called the ballot box". (In Russia they call it the Gulag)

No one ever said our system of government was perfect, but I'd rather live here than anywhere else.

Boomeeeee,
I noticed you posted 3 more times after reminding us to go to the PF.
I know, it's mmiddle of summer and things are a little dull.LOL
Have a good one.

That was an invitation!
If the election was in the summer a lot more politicians would be recycled.
ok I'll vent and rant in the political forum.

Just came back to this interesting thread.

Lord sweet suffering Jesus.

I thought we were loaded with wingnuts in Tennessee. You Texans make us look like amateurs.

Crazy Horse, this oughta' teach you that trying to make sense on AR is a fool's game. Dr. Easter, sir, you know better.

Rae59,

Having grown up in a known Texas democrat political family--

I know things that would "curl yore hair" with respect to LBJ and others.

I won't tell, I promised not to long ago.

BUT,even with MY heritage--

I vote conservative leaning toward libertarian,

in Texas mostly that leads toward the"republican" candidate.

NOT always happily.

I understand you totally DB.
I have a few connections myself. More than I let on. I am sure I've heard a few of those "hair curling stories" myself. I am also sure you know quite a few more.

I am not always happy with the choices myself......................
until I look at California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, etc., etc. etc.... Did I mention Al Gore and where ever he came from? (I wonder, did the independants put him in office?)

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Dr. Easter, sir, you know better.

Like DB...I am a Libertarian. And Like BS...I hate the 2 party system. But...until things change significantly...anybody that could stomach being associated AT ALL with the present Democratic Party...is MY ENEMY!

Therefore...when I enter the polling boothe...it takes little time...I check the R...drop ballot in the box...voting done for me.

I may not ALWAYS like my choice of candidates...but I DISLIKE my ENEMY more!

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I thought we were loaded with wingnuts in Tennessee. You Texans make us look like amateurs.

I'll take that as a compliment

so with your two party system, that would mean that russians have more options than you



best

peter

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Originally posted by peterdk:
so with your two party system, that would mean that russians have more options than you



best

peter

Dear Mr. PeterDK,

Please explain your post.

Dear Mr. Rae59

with your 2 party system, which simply means a black and white choise, the russians have several different partys from which to chose from, many shades of gray and to some extend lesser evils to chose from.

that is what my post means, ironic is it not ?

regards

peter