http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm


http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/Detail.bok?no=56

this bullet looks interesting...its a brass solid with a huge meplat that has been drilled out from the back and lead filled pretty much a solid with the extra weight of lead added. a good non deforming bullet that will work dandy under 150 yards

OH MY!!!!!!! I think you just broke at least 50 unspoken rules about posting content... Man, oh man!! Personally, I think it looks like an answer in search of a question.

http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm

o.k. found some great info and pics to share. click on this. these things sound great and can be used not only in the most popular big bore in america the 45-%#@ but in any .458 dia. cartridge. anybody with a lott or 458 win mag want to try these out? check out the bullet cutaway tell me what ya think

I found that a LOT of cartridge/bullet combos "work dandy" at 150 yards or less. And guess what? A great many of them work just as well at 250 yards and over as well. I can't say that for some recidivistic pumpkin roller like the 45-70.

I think too many guys are preoccupied with too much theorizing and experimenting, and not enough time up on the mountain. They need to grab something like a good 30-06 and just go hunting...........

Field experience is a whole lot harder to come by that theory, and much more meaningful

AD

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Originally posted by allen day:

I think too many guys are preoccupied with too much theorizing and experimenting, and not enough time up on the mountain. They need to grab something like a good 30-06 and just go hunting...........

Field experience is a wholle lot harder to come by that theory, and much more meaningful

AD

Do I smell a thread of truth in the air?

Thanks Allen...that's so very true.

o.k. outside the 45-%$#@...what do you think of these bullets, that is the thread header. the pumpkin chucker comment made me laugh but i took no offense...lets keep this on the bullet subject. i think this is one great tough well designed bullet.

Boom Stick, with all due honesty here I don't know why one would abandon known, and proven bullets for DG. If I'm the MFR of these things I might want to market them using results of actual hunts instead of pine board penetration results.

In fact they just might be the finest bullet on the planet....but unproven in real life circumstances....Yes...they look good to me. However so did my "X"

It's the old catch 22 and applies to many things in life. The MFRs should subject their product to actual field testing and extensively as well. It's field tests that trip my trigger and not "good looking" photos.

It's a great bullet expressly for the 45/70. I doubt that it'll hold up under the velocities of the 458 Lott or even the 458 WM. There're way too many good bullets for the velocity range of the latter calibers. I'd never use 400 gr anything for the 458's.

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In fact they just might be the finest bullet on the planet....but unproven in real life circumstances....Yes...they look good to me. However so did my "X"

good one vap

o.k. but here in the virtual world we debate the minutia of hunting and shooting because i am not that interested in my co-workers lives or am not interested in "hey did you see that episode of the latest sitcom" conversation. people here spend hundreds sometimes thousands of dollars and untold hours on virtualy unperceived advantages in speed, accuracy and affect...i just think these bullets are neet and worthy of a good thread and some testing out, dont you?

for all you mbogo and 470 n.e. users they also make a 380 gr 475 cal for some serious plinking...

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Originally posted by 475Guy:
It's a great bullet expressly for the 45/70. I doubt that it'll hold up under the velocities of the 458 Lott or even the 458 WM. There're way too many good bullets for the velocity range of the latter calibers. I'd never use 400 gr anything for the 458's.

if it went through 13" of hickory and then some without deformation i think it will "hold up" the reviewer also said it would be good for it. not just my not so humble opinion.

I have a bunch of 12 GA FH bullets made that way for me by Bridger.Hollow base,
turn banded solid, flat meplat, 750 grains.Can add lead to base to make any wt up to 1100 gr. They are strong enough
to penetrate very well..Ed

I'm acquainted with the manufacturer, and he's a small, one-man shop as far as I know. Also a heck of a nice guy. Extensive field testing is going to take time. Keep in mind his initial offerings were handgun bullets designed to get the last ounce of performance out of guns like the 454 Casull and 500 Linebaugh. For that application they certainly weren't an "answer in search of a question," they were exactly what many handgun hunters had been looking for.

As a rifle bullet, I'm not sure what they offer that other [less expensive] premium bullets don't.

I suspect once you've got the equipment to make them and a few satisfied customers saying, "I will send you money if you will make them in .458"," the smart thing would be to make them.

Outside the 45-70 issue, I like the idea of these bullets if made with a sectional density of .300. But I wonder if the base will squish on bone. Even Woodleigh's steel-lined base squishes and squirts some of the oore out. These are made of brass with a soft lead core, so squishing out fo the core is more likely.

rear heavy bullets will swap ends on contact, this is called SPRAWL. Makes a hell of a wound channel, but sucks for penetration.

jeffe

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rear heavy bullets will swap ends on contact, this is called SPRAWL. Makes a hell of a wound channel, but sucks for penetration.

I realize there's no substitution for testing on live game, but that certainly hasn't been the case with the wet newsprint testing that's been done.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/beltmountain.htm

does this browning 12 guage side by side make me look fat?

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Does this browning 12 guage side by side make me look fat?

Naww, but it makes you look like a young Sam Clemens... ;o)

When the topic says "Now with Pics" I expect pictures of the bullets, not you.

My bad.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
When the topic says "Now with Pics" I expect pictures of the bullets, not you.

My bad. [/QUOT

if you click on the link there is pictures of the bullets

http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm

sorry for any confusion. i just tried to make it more clear now. let me know what you think

The bullet skirt looks awful thin to me. I would question how it would hold up on bone when Woodleighs with more then twice as much steel in the skirts sometimes flatten and squirt lead at the base.

465H&H

thanks grains

I would be suspecious of fishtailing and the lead squirting out the back, if fact I would almost guarentee it unless they lock it in ala most good solids with lead in them..maybe not at 45-70 velocity, but certainly at 458 velocity.

o.k. i guess we need someone with a lott or win mag to do some tests...maybe this forum will help him design one for higher velocities...if needed. maybe he will be willing to donate the bullets for testing. what should be the test medium? what velocities would be good enough? 2,500 fps?

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Originally posted by boom stick:
if you click on the link there is pictures of the bullets

That whole lazy thing got to me again.

I'm with the crowd -- it looks like the lead may squirt out the base.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm


http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/Detail.bok?no=56

this bullet looks interesting...its a brass solid with a huge meplat that has been drilled out from the back and lead filled pretty much a solid with the extra weight of lead added. a good non deforming bullet that will work dandy under 150 yards

I think it's been drilled out to avoid our laws about monometal solids. IIRC, Bridger had problems, since solid bullets like that are considered illegal. Something about vest penetration.

Wonder what the state of the law is and how Bridger got around it?

g

The federal law only applys to handgun ammo. There could be some supid state laws.

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rear heavy bullets will swap ends on contact, this is called SPRAWL. Makes a hell of a wound channel, but sucks for penetration.

Jeffe, aren't all bullets rear heavy to some degree? It's why we use rifling to stabilize them after all.

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wow! a positive response. thanks alf...do you aggree these should be good bullets for plinking at least...he makes them in 458 cal 475 cal and 50 cal in weights that would be soft on the shoulder for big boomers and i think they should be given a chance in the iron buffalo

BOY! I sure hope they make these in .474, and .585.................

They look like they should work in a 45/**** but at 2.00 each , I don't think too many will be used for plinking !

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Originally posted by laredo kid:
They look like they should work in a 45/**** but at 2.00 each , I don't think too many will be used for plinking !

plinking was in reference to the weight not price